Winston Churchil killed at Gallipoli

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Winston Churchil lord of Admirality realizsed the things were not going well.... Suddenly he felt an explosion below the ship he was on.... He saw frantic crewman givig repairs the ship had hit a mine and was now sinking horrified Churchill could do nothing the mine struck the keel of the ship and soon it sunk..... There were no survivors it was a dark day for Britain......





So what happens now fellow AH Comers.:):):):)

[Cook]

I’d say what was the First Sea Lord doing on a ship anywhere near Gallipoli and on anything smaller than a battleship?

If you want to kill off Churchill just have the taxi going a little faster when it hits him in 1931.

[Cecil]

Didnt quite a few BBs sink when they were hit by mines at gallipoli?

[Torn but Flying]

I can't see that happening - maybe he either accompanies Kitchener to Russia or goes in his place, and gets killed when HMS Hampshire sinks though.

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Alright so in 1931 taxi goes faster. It hits him, he dies what happens in WWII

[MrP]

I’d say what was the First Sea Lord doing on a ship anywhere near Gallipoli and on anything smaller than a battleship?

If you want to kill off Churchill just have the taxi going a little faster when it hits him in 1931.

Or have him killed when he's in the front lines in the trenches on the Western Front. I do love his reason for going to the front rather than staying in HQ. HQ was "dry" so to have a drink, one had to go to the dangerous bit. Booze before safety. :D

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Or have him killed when he's in the front lines in the trenches on the Western Front. I do love his reason for going to the front rather than staying in HQ. HQ was "dry" so to have a drink, one had to go to the dangerous bit. Booze before safety. :D

So will anyone be interested in a TL about this if you guys are Ill post a Tl in this thread.

[pipisme]

I would be interested in reading a TL in which Winston Churchill is killed in the First World War.

[Gustavus Adolphus]

K I need help what battle did Churchil have the most danger of dying in.

[Awilla the Hun]

Not WW1, but I read in John O'Farrell's "An Utterly Impartial History of Britain" (so, an ultra reliable source!) that Churchill intended to join his soldiers at D-Day, attacking the beaches alongside them. This was the last time the British Monarch ever ordered the Prime Minister not to do something.

[Don Grey]

K I need help what battle did Churchil have the most danger of dying in.

Im intrested in what would happen if churchhill died in ww1 era and how it would effect britian in ww2. But when i see a thread where i read that the first lord of the admiralty is ona ship in gallipoli or in the trenches in the western front my head hurts. It ruins the quality of the TL.

Why dont we have a drunk churchhill (i know its so ASB) at his house fall down the stairs hit his head and die of internal bleeding how about that ?

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Not WW1, but I read in John O'Farrell's "An Utterly Impartial History of Britain" (so, an ultra reliable source!) that Churchill intended to join his soldiers at D-Day, attacking the beaches alongside them. This was the last time the British Monarch ever ordered the Prime Minister not to do something.



Lol :p Ok so Ill have him die in the trenches due to disease or gets shot, but what PM would take over in hitlers reign if Churchill is dead, what's the implication on relation beetween Britain and Nazi Germany....

[MrP]

Im intrested in what would happen if churchhill died in ww1 era and how it would effect britian in ww2. But when i see a thread where i read that the first lord of the admiralty is ona ship in gallipoli or in the trenches in the western front my head hurts. It ruins the quality of the TL.

Why dont we have a drunk churchhill (i know its so ASB) at his house fall down the stairs hit his head and die of internal bleeding how about that ?

He really was in the trenches after Gallipoli, old boy.

Western front (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill#Western_front)

Churchill was First Lord of the Admiralty at the start of the First World War, but was obliged to leave the war cabinet after the disastrous Battle of Gallipoli. He attempted to obtain an appointment as a brigade commander, but settled for command of a battalion. After spending some time as a Major with the 2nd Battalion, Grenadier Guards, he was appointed Lieutenant-Colonel, commanding the 6th Battalion, Royal Scots Fusiliers (part of the 9th (Scottish) Division), on 1 January 1916. Correspondence with his wife shows that his intent in taking up active service was to rehabilitate his reputation, but this was balanced by the serious risk of being killed. As a commander he continued to exhibit the reckless daring which had been a hallmark of all his military actions, although he disapproved strongly of the mass slaughter involved in many western front actions.[48]

Lord Deedes opined to a gathering of the Royal Historical Society in 2001 why Churchill went to the front line: "He was with Grenadier Guards, who were dry at battalion headquarters. They very much liked tea and condensed milk, which had no great appeal to Winston, but alcohol was permitted in the front line, in the trenches. So he suggested to the colonel that he really ought to see more of the war and get into the front line. This was highly commended by the colonel, who thought it was a very good thing to do."[49]

[lothaw]

Or have him killed when he's in the front lines in the trenches on the Western Front. I do love his reason for going to the front rather than staying in HQ. HQ was "dry" so to have a drink, one had to go to the dangerous bit. Booze before safety. :D

Haha, could call the TL "For want of a drink." :p

[Kelenas]

Wouldn't Churchill's death in WW1 cause butterflies earlier than WW2?

- Kelenas

[Grimm Reaper]

Ah, Awilla, George VI was far too subtle for that.

When Eisenhower and other top Allied commanders realized Churchill was serious and would not be easily dissuaded King George VI told them not to worry and that he would take care of the problem. He spoke with Churchill, learned of Churchill's plans(which he already knew;)), and told Winston that this was a smashing idea. In fact, now that he considered it, he would go with Winston that day.

Churchill got the hint.

[A.M. Turtle]

Well if you want Churchill dead he was running around in South Africa buring the Boer War. Perhaps he is shot when he escapes?

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Yeah It would Anyway here's the TL.


July: Churchil had a bit too much too drink and he enlisted for active service, his mission stop the German advance into France. He beleives he was destined to crush the damm Krauts he limped to the neareast recruitment center under a fake name, Private Ronald, Bates, he was signed in and sent to the Somme, Churchil woke up the next day on a train, at first he was shocked, the ell happened here mates why am I on a war train, his mates snickered, well Ronald were gonna face the Germans atthe Somme."
" Bloody ell" Churchil yelled with a start I'm churchil former first lord of Admirality, the mates laughed, sure you are. Churchil was stunned....
" You damm wankers get me off this train," everyone ignored him.


July second Churchil was stuck in the trenches eaten biscuits that had worms in them, thousands died and his regiment was being sent out next, no one beleives him to be churchil, " Blast it, I shouldve never gotten drunk." Churchils friend Mcguire came in, " well it's our turn storm the German trenches come on pal let's win, Churchil took a huge gulp of beer and became drunk, " ahh who gives a damm" he got his enfeild and went to front lines, the order was given and churchil charged like a madman, suddenly he felt blood across his chest, he felt pain and then he lost consiousness, that day Ronald who was in reality churchil was shot and had his head blown off by the Germans, his family weeper and his father became heartbroken and suffered a heart attack......


What do you guys think.

[Don Lardo]

Wouldn't Churchill's death in WW1 cause butterflies earlier than WW2?


His death most certainly would cause major butterflies well before WW2. There's the Gold Standard decision he made as Chancellor of the Exchequer for example.

Of course we're dealing with an OP who put the First Lord of the Admiralty aboard a warship off Gallipoli during the landings, so historical knowledge, intelligent creativity, and plausibility most certainly do not apply. :rolleyes:

Churchill can be plausibly killed several times well before the taxi cab accident in 1931 or even his service in the trenches during WW1. Aside from his participation as correspondent in Cuba, the Sudan Campaign, and Boer War, he was a sickly child and had a health crisis of sorts while at Sandhurst.

[Gustavus Adolphus]

So what do you think of his death.

[Don Lardo]

So what do you think of his death.


When does his death occur? Answer that, then look into the totality of Churchill's life so you can grasp the immediate changes, and you'll begin to fashion a time line.

Killing him in 1915 and then blithely presuming 24 years later there will be a WW2 which resembles the OTL version in anything but the broadest of brushstrokes is lazy thinking on the level of Turtledove.

[mowque]

When does his death occur? Answer that, then look into the totality of Churchill's life so you can grasp the immediate changes, and you'll begin to fashion a time line.

Killing him in 1915 and then blithely presuming 24 years later there will be a WW2 which resembles the OTL version in anything but the broadest of brushstrokes is lazy thinking on the level of Turtledove.

Now, now. Turtledove was worse.

[Gustavus Adolphus]

When does his death occur? Answer that, then look into the totality of Churchill's life so you can grasp the immediate changes, and you'll begin to fashion a time line.

Killing him in 1915 and then blithely presuming 24 years later there will be a WW2 which resembles the OTL version in anything but the broadest of brushstrokes is lazy thinking on the level of Turtledove.


Oh he dies at Somme, so Im guessing they're might not be a WWII as we know it.... Chamberlain remains mineister and Poland gets annexed and Then.... Most likely, a war will never occur, not sure how to go from here.:d

[Torn but Flying]

He left before the Somme started ;) Plenty of opportunities for him to be killed by a random shell/sniper though.

Presumably this has butterflies for the post-war Liberal and Conservative governments. Do we still go back on the Gold Standard and introduce the Ten Year Rule I wonder?

[Don Lardo]

Oh he dies at Somme...

Which began three months after he left the Scots Fusiliers and returned to Britain.

... so Im guessing they're might not be a WWII as we know it....Guessing? :rolleyes:

... Chamberlain remains mineister...Sure. Chamberlain is going to be PM in the late Thirties because British politics is going to play in precisely the same manner it did for over twenty years despite the loss of a man who was intimately involved in it for that entire period.

... and Poland gets annexed...And European politics is going to remain completely unchanged because British politics remained unchanged too.

Most likely, a war will never occur...If Versailles and the Depression occur, a war will.

.. not sure how to go from here.:dMay I nominate that for Understatement of the Week?

You don't even know how you'll begin, so it's a given that you won't even know how to go on.

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Which began three months after he left the Scots Fusiliers and returned to Britain.

Guessing? :rolleyes:

Sure. Chamberlain is going to be PM in the late Thirties because British politics is going to play in precisely the same manner it did for over twenty years despite the loss of a man who was intimately involved in it for that entire period.

And European politics is going to remain completely unchanged because British politics remained unchanged too.

If Versailles and the Depression occur, a war will.


May I nominate that for Understatement of the Week?

You don't even know how you'll begin, so it's a given that you won't even know how to go on.

Oh I was being sarcastic did you seriously beleiveme :D lol I was bored and wanted to say something stupid, here's what really happens. anyway fine I'll have him die in trench battle my outline is that Churchil dies so in the 1930s the depression hits but the PM botches up and soon Hitler takes power like usual, Japan- US tensions remain, China still gets attacked and when war does breakout well have a Britain that is easier to bargain with, churchil was the one who bolstered morale and gave people hope and he never wanted peace but I'm sure chamberlain be willing do then I see a four way cold war beetween Britain, Nazi Germany, America, Soviet union and the Japanese still get their arses kicked but Germany does not declare war....

[Don Lardo]

lol I was bored and wanted to say something stupid


"... lol..."

"... bored and wanted to say something stupid..."

Tell me, when did this board become 4Chan?

I thought all these people would be leaving when school started. Why haven't they left yet?

[Gustavus Adolphus]

"... lol..."

"... bored and wanted to say something stupid..."

Tell me, when did this board become 4Chan?

I thought all these people would be leaving when school started. Why haven't they left yet?



No I'm not a troll, I have a valid TL, Read the rest of the post and tell me the mistakes, plz:(

[mowque]

Read a biography on Churchill. Good place to start.

[CurlyGangster]

Guessing? :rolleyes:

You do realize this entire website revolves mere speculation and guessing.

If Versailles and the Depression occur, a war will.

That is far from certain.

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I think I got it, but it'll be a pod before 1900, at Mahmoud valley in 1895 Churchill and his division were ambushed and barely made it out alive so Churchill could get killed by a tribesmen what do you guys think.

[Don Lardo]

You do realize this entire website revolves mere speculation and guessing.


Do you realize there is a great difference between speculation and guessing?

speculation – noun 1. the contemplation or consideration of some subject: to engage in speculation on humanity's ultimate destiny.

guess – verb 1. to arrive at or commit oneself to an opinion about (something) without having sufficient evidence to support the opinion fully: to guess a person's weight.

Note the bit about not having "sufficient evidence to support the opinion fully". We try to speculate here, guessing is a last resort.

That is far from certain.Again, note my use of the word "if" and my use of the word "a". If a treaty which is seen as punitive and is not enforced occurs and an economic slump is brought on by the structural problems in many post-war national economies, then a war is in the offing.

Not a war between a Nazi/Facist/Whatever Germany and Britain, but a war somewhere between two powers which will impinge on Britain's worldwide commitments.

As the OP has admitted, the question posed in this thread is just an exercise in boredom by some 4chan "b-tard" and nothing more. He killed off some historical figure he vaguely remembers from school, added a few "lols", and sat back to watch the fun.

[Torn but Flying]

As the OP has admitted, the question posed in this thread is just an exercise in boredom by some 4chan "b-tard" and nothing more. He killed off some historical figure he vaguely remembers from school, added a few "lols", and sat back to watch the fun.

How's the view from up there on your pedestal? :rolleyes:

Gustavus - Churchill being killed before the war, before 1900 even, will have massive ramifications long before the Second World War (which is butterflied away). He was an important reason for the Liberal Reforms being enacted during his time as Lloyd George's ally in the 1900s-1910s - and in fact he was important in convincing the latter that war with Germany was a good idea in 1914.

[Gustavus Adolphus]

How's the view from up there on your pedestal? :rolleyes:

Gustavus - Churchill being killed before the war, before 1900 even, will have massive ramifications long before the Second World War (which is butterflied away). He was an important reason for the Liberal Reforms being enacted during his time as Lloyd George's ally in the 1900s-1910s - and in fact he was important in convincing the latter that war with Germany was a good idea in 1914.


Yeah I understand, so I beleive that WWII might not occur and WWI will be different but I'm willing to take the risk, and see what happens if you guys are interested.

[Don Lardo]

How's the view from up there on your pedestal?


Pretty good actually

How are you enjoying playing in the mud with a b-tard who thinks killing off Churchill during the Malakand expedition won't greatly affect the Liberal Party's various reforms, reforms in the Royal Navy, the dreadnought race with Germany, Britain's entry into WW1, and innumerable other events enough so that a WW2 will still occur?

Or are you just in it for the "lulz" too?

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Pretty good actually

How are you enjoying playing in the mud with a b-tard who thinks killing off Churchill during the Malakand expedition won't greatly affect the Liberal Party's various reforms, reforms in the Royal Navy, the dreadnought race with Germany, Britain's entry into WW1, and innumerable other events enough so that a WW2 will still occur?

Or are you just in it for the "lulz" too?
What the he'll man bloody cripes Ive Been trying to tell you that I beleive that things would change, Of course it would affect reforms creating a world which is completly diff from ours, I'm willing to take the risk if you guys are interested I don't want to start a tl that is not interesting!!!!!!!!

[Torn but Flying]

Or are you just in it for the "lulz" too?

My base setting is to attempt to help, not judge and insult. You should try it - then maybe you wouldn't come across as being so angry. :)


(I know, I know, "who's on the pedestal now?" etc :D)

In all seriousness, the Churchill dies 'what if' has probably been covered numerous times, so the search function's probably your best bet here.

[Don Lardo]

In all seriousness, the Churchill dies 'what if' has probably been covered numerous times, so the search function's probably your best bet here.


I cannot agree with that suggestion more strongly.

Of course using the search function would entail more work than a bored b-tard might be willing to undertake.

Anyway, as the school year settles in, we'll hopefully be spared more threads like this.

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I cannot agree with that suggestion more strongly.

Of course using the search function would entail more work than a bored b-tard might be willing to undertake.

Anyway, as the school year settles in, we'll hopefully be spared more threads like this.


Oh my god I'm trying toagree with you read my posts you troll, listen I used the search function and i found maybe 2 such timelines one in 1945 the other in 1911 others were just questions I'm trying to create a solid TL which I'm willing to do research for which creates a world without Churchill that is completly diff from ours, I'm willing tondo research I just want to know if people will be interested, and no I'm not from four chan I have never visited that sight:(:(:(:(:(

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Alright here's the true tl for gods sake.....
1897

Churchil and the scouts were carefully treading dangerous territory, the enemy tribe could be hiding anywhere Churchil was sweaty as they stepped, suddenly they heard yells and found themselves surrounded Churchil took cover and tried desperatly to fight back. However churchil felt a strance thud from behind and henlost consiousness, the sikh regiment arrived two late a d the whe team died, they're were no survivors. His death was mourned by his father who died of a broken heart and the family was suffering.

How's this....