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chrispi
June 16th, 2005, 09:04 PM
Is this accurate?
raharris1973
June 16th, 2005, 09:36 PM
The Alaska-British North America border wasn't so neatly defined. much of the are around the Yukon was of ill-defined ownership.
Also, while Spain had a decent claim to the Oregon country (British Columbia and Us pacific northwest) Russia (and possibly Britain) also claimed it at this time, whereas all powers recognized Spanish sovereignty over California, Texa, New Mexico and the Louisiana territory.
The only other shortfall I noticed was that at this time, Nicaragua was not exclusively Spanish. At this time, its eastern "Mosquito" coast was British-ruled, and about the size of Belize.
Nicole
June 16th, 2005, 10:14 PM
It wasn't all part of the Viceroyalty of New Spain. I believe the Central American states were their own Captainacy-General?
Also, NH and NY disputed the Vermont region, and NY held the Pennsylvanian Lake Eire coast, I believe.
Paul Spring
June 16th, 2005, 11:30 PM
Keep in mind that at this time most of Canada north and west of southern Sasketchewan, as well as almost all of the future northwestern US, plus the interior of Alaska, had never been crossed by even a single European explorer. All land claims to this are were VERY tentative at best. I would put the whole area with a separate color signifying "unexplored, disputed, or unclaimed by any major state", or something to that effect. That's just me, though.
What is now the northwestern part of Pennsylvania was also claimed by Connecticut. Shortly after the American Revolution, a war almost broke out between Pennsylvania militia and Connecticut settlers in the area, IIRC.
chrispi
July 2nd, 2005, 02:58 AM
How about this map?
JHPier
July 11th, 2005, 05:38 PM
NA: Greenland was already Danish.
SA: Modern Guyana and Surinam were both Dutch.
Also the modern Brazilian territories of Acre, Roraima and Amapa, and bits of land abutting Paraguay were either Spanish or disputed territory, and the modern republic of Uruguay was claimed by the Portuguese.
That northeastern bulge of Peru (the Iquitos-region) belonged to New Granada, and the Paraguayan protrusion into the Gran Chaco belonged to Peru (if the Gran Chaco can be said to belong to anyone but its Indians)
JHPier
July 11th, 2005, 05:42 PM
It wasn't all part of the Viceroyalty of New Spain. I believe the Central American states were their own Captainacy-General?As I understand it, a Captainacy-General was a subdivision of a Viceroyalty.
Glen
July 12th, 2005, 01:56 AM
As I understand it, a Captainacy-General was a subdivision of a Viceroyalty.
That is correct. And the Captaincy-General of Guatemala was under the Viceroyalty of New Spain if memory serves.
chrispi
July 13th, 2005, 04:17 PM
Tell me what you think.
Nicole
July 13th, 2005, 05:05 PM
East Prussia was larger, France's eastern border wasn't as clear cut, and I think (I'm not sure) that Swedish Finland was larger.
chrispi
July 15th, 2005, 04:24 PM
I'm going to have to recreate the above map, with links between countries/powers showing international relations after the Diplomatic Revolution.
Who was Sardinia allied with, btw? :confused:
JHPier
July 15th, 2005, 09:59 PM
You obviously took a map with modern political borders, didn't you?
Italy does not have the Republics of Genoa and Lucca, or the Duchies of Tuscany, Parma or Modena, Austrian Milan was separated from Austria Tyrol by Venice, Trentino was still an independent Prince-Bishopric and the Papal States extended further north, (including Romagna).
Dalmatia and the Ionian islands were Venetian.
Estonia and the northern part of modern Latvia were Russian.
Prussia included West-Prussia (but not Dantzig), but did not include Mecklenburg, and its western parts were half a dozen territories between Hannover and the Netherlands (not the single bit in the southwest you show).
Austria also included Galicia, Transsylvania and the Banat; and it wasn't yet named Austria-Hungary.
Saxony is too big, Thuringia was separate. Between Austria and Bavaria there shoulgd be the independent Prince-Archbishopric of Salzburg.
The Crimean Khanate still existed, Azerbaijan was Persian, and the Georgian kingdoms were still Ottoman vassals.
Luxemburg was included in the Austrian Netherlands, but the prince-Bishopric of Liege was not.
JHPier
July 15th, 2005, 10:05 PM
... and I think (I'm not sure) that Swedish Finland was larger.No, if anything it's too small: Karelia had become Russian in 1721, and a further bite had been taken in 1743.
Nicole
July 16th, 2005, 01:22 AM
No, if anything it's too small: Karelia had become Russian in 1721, and a further bite had been taken in 1743.
Well, maybe in the south, but I believe areas in Northern Finland (taken by the Soviets after WW2) were part of Swedish Finland at this point.
JHPier
July 16th, 2005, 11:24 AM
No, if anything it's too small.That should have read too big of course :o
chrispi
July 17th, 2005, 06:18 PM
You obviously took a map with modern political borders, didn't you?
Yea, I did. :o It's sort of hard to get a blank map of 1776 Europe even in this age. And I'm not sure that my .png has enough resolution to accomodate Modena and Parma and the Prince-Bishopric of Liège. Sorry. :(
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