The fate of Kaliningrad in 2105

[Thande]

There was an article on this in The Economist and I was curious to see what opinions here might be.

(Poll on the way)

[Ivan Druzhkov]

Should this be in the Chat Section?

[Thande]

Well, it's vaguely AH (or FH, anyway...)

[Constantinople]

It wont matter since it will be all Turkish anyways.

[Wendell]

How pessimistic, Cons :mad:

I voted its own country within the E.U.

[fortyseven]

it'll be part of the Nova Britannic Empire of course.

[NapoleonXIV]

Danzig, but most cities with any distinctiveness will be, as nations become relics of the past and world culture homogenizes free cities will be just one of many welcome new sources of variety.

[Constantinople]

Ack! Gag! Homogenious worldwide culture! How uninteresting. :(

[Cloudy Vortex]

Cons is right about that. Dullsville:p:rolleyes::(

Culture isn't going to homogenize that much. In media enslaved US, there is still a healthy four-way culture war between African-Americans, Hispanics, white progressives, and Evangelicals with the wealthy elites holding the balance. Local conformity is more attractive than global standards, and nonconformists are going to oppose homogenization more furvently than anyone else. If globalization gets too serious, the regions and perifery will revolt against the system. The Wahabis have just been the first to do so violently, hopefully the rest of us will us passive resistence (like doing business with the smallest company in the area instead of the largest).

[Leej]

2105?
Who gives a damn. Nations will be worth F.A. by then. This century promises a lot of population movement and climate upheaval so anything could have happened despite that.


What is with all these future prediction threads?

[Valamyr]

In a hundred years, it should be a part of a united europe.

A federation member state on paper, maybe, but all the decisions will be taken in Brussels.

[NapoleonXIV]

Cons is right about that. Dullsville:p:rolleyes::(

Culture isn't going to homogenize that much. In media enslaved US, there is still a healthy four-way culture war between African-Americans, Hispanics, white progressives, and Evangelicals with the wealthy elites holding the balance. Local conformity is more attractive than global standards, and nonconformists are going to oppose homogenization more furvently than anyone else. If globalization gets too serious, the regions and perifery will revolt against the system. The Wahabis have just been the first to do so violently, hopefully the rest of us will us passive resistence (like doing business with the smallest company in the area instead of the largest).

Resistance is futile.

What drives globalization is economics and, as Marx so cogently noted, economics is primary; all else is superstructure. Nothing, not even physical force, can stop economics forever, even armies must be paid.

Were it not for oil the Wahabis would be an unpleasant memory. Possibly one of many weird and dangerous, but very small, cults in the Middle East. Even now they cannot afford what they once did. Once they oil is gone, the day of reckoning will be truly terrible.

Deal with the smallest company all you wish, in any competitive environment (and most environments are competitive if they have been around and prosperous for a while) you will go out of business if you pay more for something else than your competitors do. Even as a consumer, the choice is forced upon you, for assuming you remain the only loyal customer for Mom and Pop Ripoff's Hardware then pretty soon you will be in line at Wal-Mart with your neighbors, because you are the only one and they cannot make a business on you alone. And it makes no difference in the long run if Mom and Pop's son is the Mayor or not. So you drive 40 miles instead of 10. You make a list and take less trips, the result is the same. If Wal-Mart and its entire way of merchandising would be declared illegal tomorrow, Net entrepreneurs would take it over in a year, same thing for less always wins.

I know, I know, we are giving away our heritage for cheaper underwear. Sorry, but heritage itself is actually just life over time, and cheaper underwear is what life is really all about.

[Wendell]

In a hundred years, it should be a part of a united europe.

A federation member state on paper, maybe, but all the decisions will be taken in Brussels.
Think the capital of the EU will stay in Bruxelles?

[reformer]

Has anyone ever thought of posting a future history sub thread?

[Wendell]

Has anyone ever thought of posting a future history sub thread?
Those could get controversial.

[Strategos' Risk]

I'm looking to get raptured by then.

[Constantinople]

Yeah well fuck the present day. The time I belong in is the distant past...
I use to think that, "I care about the world after I'm gone" but now its: "mabye I shouldnt have kids so they wont have to live in an asian dominated/decaying US/overstreched Islamic Europe and middle east in 2nd place world)"

[Wendell]

Yeah well fuck the present day. The time I belong in is the distant past...
I use to think that, "I care about the world after I'm gone" but now its: "mabye I shouldnt have kids so they wont have to live in an asian dominated/decaying US/overstreched Islamic Europe and middle east in 2nd place world)"
David Duke called. He wants his opinions back :p

[Constantinople]

:( Darn, and I though I'd thought of that myself...

Seriously.
Truly.
I feel thats they ways it going.
Who is DAvid Duke, BTW, I usually read Churchill.

[Wendell]

:( Darn, and I though I'd thought of that myself...

Seriously.
Truly.
I feel thats they ways it going.
Who is DAvid Duke, BTW, I usually read Churchill.
David Duke is/was the head of the KKK.

[Constantinople]

Woah woah woah! Nein nein nein.
Yeesh, just because Europe is the center of the universe to me, doesnt mean I can be related to the head of the KKK!!

Not much of a society to be head of.

[NFR]

*send anybody who suggest Kaliningrad will not being a part of Russia to Siberia*

[simonbp]

Ah, you mean the shining Kingdom of Königsberg, hegmon of the Federated Baltic States and rival to the Danish Empire for northern European supremacy?

Simon ;)

[NFR]

Ah, you mean the shining Kingdom of Königsberg, hegmon of the Federated Baltic States and rival to the Danish Empire for northern European supremacy?

Simon ;)

There is room for you on train for Yemal. It was nice knowing you.

[fortyseven]

Kaliningrad as capital of a Russia dominated Europe?

[Wendell]

Kaliningrad as capital of a Russia dominated Europe?
Doubtful. Imagine the Russians acknowledging the fact that their government is at the former capital of East Prussia.