Mosiacness Earth: 6- GDI conference

[Matt]

This is taking place concurrently with the Chilean Crisis.

[Othniel]

(Telephone call)
Brazil wishes to patation the GDI to demand that Gran Columbia be told taht action in Chile aren't nessaray. If they have a problem with Chile, coulnd't they just ask for payments for damages?

((I'd also like to see what action they've taken so far.))

[Glen]

(Telephone call)
Brazil wishes to patation the GDI to demand that Gran Columbia be told taht action in Chile aren't nessaray. If they have a problem with Chile, coulnd't they just ask for payments for damages?

((I'd also like to see what action they've taken so far.))

This sounds like a reasonable stance.

[Matt]

Agreed




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[Glen]

So the UK, Greater France, Zaire, USA, Germany, and Poland all agree that this is a good way to go<g>.

[Matt]

All we need is Greece methinks.

Next on the agenda, Japan's membership?

[Othniel]

If Columbia does not back off we will be forced into action. I'm specifcally asking Zaire (as a CATU member) and Great Britain to protect their intrests. Sat. photos have given us the most reseanble points of attack and denfese, and Brazil is willing to show force of arms if forced into conflict. Flat out annexation of Chile is impremissible. Occupation of the nation cannot be allowed.

[Glen]

If Columbia does not back off we will be forced into action. I'm specifcally asking Zaire (as a CATU member) and Great Britain to protect their intrests. Sat. photos have given us the most reseanble points of attack and denfese, and Brazil is willing to show force of arms if forced into conflict. Flat out annexation of Chile is impremissible. Occupation of the nation cannot be allowed.

Baroness Thatcher has already taken steps to secure his Majesty's interests in South America, specifically New South Yorkshire. Both troops and ships will be ready to assist as needed.

Greater France, another fellow CATU member and a member of GDI also stands ready to assist, especially given our department of Guiana (an integral part of Greater France).

The Republic of Zaire has no interests in the region, but in the interests of peace would like to see this disagreement resolved without recourse to war. However, if it comes to that and the GDI and/or CATU become embroiled (and we can't see how they wouldn't), we will support them to the best of our ability.

OOC: Essentially, the invasion of Chile is going to be completely unacceptable to the UK and Brazil, and that is going to bring in both the GDI and CATU if it happens.

[Glen]

All we need is Greece methinks.

Next on the agenda, Japan's membership?

Since the event, the Empire of Japan has been one of THE major trading partners of the Republic of Zaire, and we would heartily support their inclusion in the GDI.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland has no objection to Japan becoming a member of the GDI. They have already been working together with the UK and Greater France in helping stabilize the India situation, and we see no difficulties with their membership. However, we would be willing to defer on this issue to our historical allies the United States of America (and remember, our two timelines only diverged within the past twenty-five years, and not that far in terms of the 'special relationship'). It seems to us that the inclusion of another Pacific power would have the most impact on the USA.

Greater France also feels that the interests of the Empire of Japan and Greater France are not in conflict, and would not bar their membership in the alliance.

[Matt]

The United States has no objection, having already entering in a defensive agreement with the Japanese early in the year.

Germany and Poland see no objection to their inclusion into the membership of the GDI.

The United States would like to bring up the issue of possible stationing of GDI forces in the Yucatan pensula.

[Glen]

The Republic of Zaire and Greater France share dual membership in this alliance as well as CATU. CATU members Brazil and the Iberic Union have been invited to this meeting as our guests. We would like to suggest at this time, along with allowing the Japanese to join the GDI, that we formally merge the GDI and CATU, thus strengthening all the nations involved in this time of uncertainty. Brazil and the Iberic Union have certainly proven themselves to be peaceful nations of good will.

[Glen]

The United States would like to bring up the issue of possible stationing of GDI forces in the Yucatan pensula.

The Republic of Zaire would like to raise an important issue with regard to Mexico. We along with the US and the UK have helped to free Mexico from communist totalitarianism. The Mexicans have had one of the more difficult times in the post event era.

As a nation composed of former colonial territories, the Republic of Zaire is sensitive to the plight of nations caught between the struggles of superpowers. We would like to suggest that we not only offer to station GDI forces in the Yucatan, but that we consider bringing Mexico formally into the alliance if they are so inclined. We must respect their standing as a sovereign nation.

Furthermore, we suggest that if Mexico is willing to enter into free trade, that we invite them to join CATU. In any event, I believe that both Brazil and Zaire are willing to offer substantial economic aid to help their nation rebuild and renovate to take advantage of some of the newer technologies now available post event. We encourage the other members of CATU and the GDI to likewise offer help in their rebuilding.

[Bulgaroktonos]

Greece agrees to a demand to Chile.

As for Japan.....

Greece feels that the GDI is a military organization, and therefore cooperation upon military endeavors is of primary importance. If GDI member nations wish to begin working towards a separate economic organization, perhaps the Global Economic Initiative, then Greece would be all for it. However, Greece does not feel that continuing to expand GDI membership in in our interests. It serves only to alienate potential threats and make them greater. By pushing our borders to both sides of Egypt we have created a potential threat. By boxing in Russia on three sides, we create greater hostility.

GDI membership should be a priviledge of nations that have shown their commitment to protecting their neighbors, not a right of our favored trading partners.

[Othniel]

The Republic of Zaire and Greater France share dual membership in this alliance as well as CATU. CATU members Brazil and the Iberic Union have been invited to this meeting as our guests. We would like to suggest at this time, along with allowing the Japanese to join the GDI, that we formally merge the GDI and CATU, thus strengthening all the nations involved in this time of uncertainty. Brazil and the Iberic Union have certainly proven themselves to be peaceful nations of good will.
OOC: Finney, CATU is trade, we protect our trading intrestes. (Which is why we are in India) My market can't take the influx of all thoose members being united with CATU. Amazonia would make a Great place for a new *version of the* UN, and our temp quarters in Iberia make a nice place to be, but you must get me, and Condi both to agree to it before you bring it up. Right now you hold the founder's vote (Zaire gets a founders vote in five years from now, as it is now they can make changes inside the agentcy but not in our policies and dealings with other nations. Market questions, willingness to commit troops and acting on outer alliances, sure. But be careful in mixing an economic agentcy and a millitary agentcy.)

[Glen]

Greece agrees to a demand to Chile.

We thank the Greek Republic for this support. The GDI is agreed then.

As for Japan.....

Greece feels that the GDI is a military organization, and therefore cooperation upon military endeavors is of primary importance.

Agreed. Japan has participated in operations in India alongside GDI forces. They are already part of a defensive agreement with one GDI member, the USA. And they are asking to be admitted to this organization for defensive purposes.

If GDI member nations wish to begin working towards a separate economic organization, perhaps the Global Economic Initiative, then Greece would be all for it.

This sounds like an excellent idea, though we would suggest that it might be of benefit to have this based on CATU. Both Greater France and Zaire are members, and would look favorably on inclusion of our partners in the GDI in this agreement. (CATU is a little special as it has primarily a free trade group nature, but also some defense elements)

The United Kingdom would be interested in joining the CATU group if this were acceptable to Brazil and the Iberian Union.

However, Greece does not feel that continuing to expand GDI membership in in our interests. It serves only to alienate potential threats and make them greater.

The Republic of Zaire would respectfully offer a different perspective. Since the event, we have been in favor of expanding the defensive alliance that started with NATO and the NEC. In our own timeline, there were many nations who were members of NATO (look at ourselves, an African nation, for example). In our opinion, the more free nations who are part of the alliance, the stronger our defensive capability and the greater the security of the world. And this post event world has its dangers, as we have all borne witness to.

By pushing our borders to both sides of Egypt we have created a potential threat. By boxing in Russia on three sides, we create greater hostility.

We would suggest, that a more open admission policy on the part of the alliance, emphasizing respect for member nations and the ability to become a member nation, would have been more effective than limiting membership. Some of those nations may not have felt so threatened if from the beginning we had been more open to nations taking part.

GDI membership should be a priviledge of nations that have shown their commitment to protecting their neighbors, not a right of our favored trading partners.

We agree. However, in this new, mosaic world we have come to know many of our best prospects for membership through trade. It is not a reward for economic cooperation, but rather a path to understanding and respect.

[Condottiero]

The Iberic Union sees no inconvenience in the entry new members to the CATU.
Great Britain could be a nice partner in that association as well as the Republic of Mozabique that had also addressed us for membership.

We would also like to ask for membership to the GDI.

[perdedor99]

The Empire of Japan understand the concerns of the Greek Republic but let assure them that expanding the alliance to the Pacific Rim will bring more stability to this world. Also we agree that the CATU and the GDI should be tied together into a coverall organization, one that can be both a economic and a military alliance.

[Glen]

The Iberic Union sees no inconvenience in the entry new members to the CATU.
Great Britain could be a nice partner in that association as well as the Republic of Mozabique that had also addressed us for membership.

We would also like to ask for membership to the GDI.

Greater France and the Republic of Zaire strongly endorse the inclusion of the Iberic Union in the GDI. They are an advanced nation that has shown particular concerns with human rights and were among the first to decry the use of ANY weapons of mass destruction, even before the Biowar.

Also, the Iberic Union share borders with Greater France, and being together in a defensive alliance would be even more stabilizing.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would formally like to join CATU.

OOC: I thought the Republic of Mozambique was part of the Iberic Union? If they are separate, Zaire would certainly support their inclusion in CATU, and would like them to either join the GDI or enter into a mutual defense agreement with Zaire bilaterally if that didn't go through.

[Glen]

The Empire of Japan understand the concerns of the Greek Republic but let assure them that expanding the alliance to the Pacific Rim will bring more stability to this world. Also we agree that the CATU and the GDI should be tied together into a coverall organization, one that can be both a economic and a military alliance.

The Republic of Zaire would be very interested in having the Empire of Japan join CATU.

[Othniel]

So would the Federation of Brazil. Our council just doesn't want to overload the backing of our economies. As you have noticed places of raw materail is rare. Also some of theese larger nations would have poltical dominance over the founding members of CATU, that is a natural concern.

[Cockroach]

The commonwealth of Australia wishes to apply to join the GDI.

[Glen]

The commonwealth of Australia wishes to apply to join the GDI.

The United Kingdom will sponsor the membership of our fellow Commonwealth nation into the GDI.

[Aussey]

The UCCR wishes to join either CATU or GDI

[Matt]

My nations well support Aust. and the I. Union into the GDI, and would like to join the CATU as well.

However Germany and Poland would block the Lorraine application, citing it's recenting backing of the Axis of Silliness in the Chilean Crisis.

[Glen]

My nations well support Aust. and the I. Union into the GDI, and would like to join the CATU as well.

However Germany and Poland would block the Lorraine application, citing it's recenting backing of the Axis of Silliness in the Chilean Crisis.

Okay, so the new members being supported thus far?

Japan
Iberic Union (w/ Mozambique?)
Australia

What about Brazil? This would make good sense if the USA wants to bracket Columbia.

Mexico is someone we are trying to build up, but has been chaotic, how about a probational status? Not full integration into GDI forces, but with mutual defensive agreement?

Similarly a probational period for the newly founded UCCR? Provisionally they will be included and defend and be defended by the GDI? As a sign of their good intentions, they could demilitarize their borders with Greater France and Germany. The deal would be off if they entered into an agressive war without the consent of the GDI.

[Condottiero]

Mozambique was linked to the Iberic Union in a similar way to Puerto Rico to the States.

[Glen]

Mozambique was linked to the Iberic Union in a similar way to Puerto Rico to the States.

Great, so they should be covered by the Iberic Union joining GDI. Very important to Zaire. Besides, we LIKE the Mozambiquans!<g>

[Bulgaroktonos]

The Greek Delegation is announcing that it is withdrawing from the Conference pending a moratorium on Greece's continuing involvement with the GDI. It's withdrawal should not be taken as a sign of hostility to member nations, but as a sign of Greece's commitment to national sovereignty and international free trade.

[Glen]

The Greek Delegation is announcing that it is withdrawing from the Conference pending a moratorium on Greece's continuing involvement with the GDI. It's withdrawal should not be taken as a sign of hostility to member nations, but as a sign of Greece's commitment to national sovereignty and international free trade.

The Republic of Zaire would like to request that the Greek Delegation reconsider and take counsel with us. We recognize that our two nations have differing opinions as to the best way to guarantee peace and develop the alliance, but surely we can come to a compromise position. We wish to hear from our Greek allies, not see them depart.

[Bulgaroktonos]

The Greek Republic reiterates its position that this is not a move designed to break the alliance apart. We do not wish to see this happen. However, given the current trend within the Conference, and indeed that of the nature of the GDI itself, the Greek Republic feels that its interests can be better served elsewhere at the current time.

[Glen]

The Greek Republic reiterates its position that this is not a move designed to break the alliance apart. We do not wish to see this happen. However, given the current trend within the Conference, and indeed that of the nature of the GDI itself, the Greek Republic feels that its interests can be better served elsewhere at the current time.

Several of the member nations of the GDI rise up to reassure the Greek Republic that so far the only definite action is the warning to beligerents regarding Chile.

Also, the question of further economic ties and treaties is herewith removed from the table. The Republic of Zaire will host a separate conference in the near future to discuss free trade agreements.

The United Kingdom and Australia agree to withdraw Australia's membership request for the time-being without prejudice. We reserve the right to resubmit Australia for membership should further expansion of the GDI be agreed upon. His Majesty's government will be entering into a defensive alliance with Australia separate from the GDI. We invite the Americans to join us in this Pacific-based alliance. New South Yorkshire as part of His Majesty's Empire will of course be covered under all treaties entered into by the United Kingdom.

[Glen]

Gentlemen, it would appear that Germany has blocked any consideration of the UCCS at this time for membership, and the Greek Republic have similarly blocked the consideration of the Empire of Japan at present. Australia has withdrawn for the present.

There does seem to be consensus for having the Iberic Union join as the newest member of the GDI. Is that correct?

[Glen]

After hours of intense negotiations among the member nations of the GDI, a compromise agreement is reached on new membership.

The Iberic Union will be offered full admission to the GDI immediately.

Brazil will be given applicant status.

There will be a moratorium on new membership for a time TBA (but it will be measured in years, not months).

We may now move on to other issues of interest regarding defense arrangements of GDI members.

Possible topics include:

Progress on antiballistic missile technologies and deployments
Joint military exercises (pending outcome of the Chile issue)
Equipment standards (should we try to get some degree of standardization in our arms, or at least fuel and ammunition?)

And of course anything else pertaining to defense matters that the member nations feel appropriate.

I believe the USA also had outstanding an issue on GDI in the Yucatan.

[Othniel]

If the Yuctan has the desire to seperate it must give its case why and let be indepdant if that is the just thing to do.

[Glen]

If the Yuctan has the desire to seperate it must give its case why and let be indepdant if that is the just thing to do.

I believe you misunderstand the question the USA is asking (or else we do). We are talking about the stationing of GDI troops in the Yucatan portion of a united Mexico. Our understanding is that the USA support strongly keeping the nation of Mexico whole.

[DuQuense]

GDI Conference Lunch Break

The Russian and Persians had sent Observers to the conference as had the Egyptians. While the Bosses got to eat in the fancy Dining Room upstairs. The Secretaries had to make do with the Cafeteria in the Basement.

As their Bosses had been sitting together a lot of the time, the Russian, Persian, & Egyptian Staff had taken to sitting together at lunch. For the last several days they had been joined by the Mexicans.

Seeing several of the Japanese Staff looking around for somewhere to sit , A Persian grabbed two empty chairs while the Russian Stood up and Invited them to the Table.


ooc: I try to remember that while President Bartlett gets the headlines, It is CJ, Josh , & Toby that run the West Wing.

[Glen]

GDI Conference Lunch Break

The Russian and Persians had sent Observers to the conference as had the Egyptians. While the Bosses got to eat in the fancy Dining Room upstairs. The Secretaries had to make do with the Cafeteria in the Basement.

As their Bosses had been sitting together a lot of the time, the Russian, Persian, & Egyptian Staff had taken to sitting together at lunch. For the last several days they had been joined by the Mexicans.

Seeing several of the Japanese Staff looking around for somewhere to sit , A Persian grabbed two empty chairs while the Russian Stood up and Invited them to the Table.


ooc: I try to remember that while President Bartlett gets the headlines, It is CJ, Josh , & Toby that run the West Wing.

OOC: Oh, come on. Can't you get your own conference to plot your alternate alliance? ;)

[DuQuense]

OOC: Oh, come on. Can't you get your own conference to plot your alternate alliance?

NO

because it is not a Alternate Alliance, It is a group of non-allied countries keeping their options open.

[Glen]

NO

because it is not a Alternate Alliance, It is a group of non-allied countries keeping their options open.

Oh, okay. But you can see how people might wonder..... :rolleyes: