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Othniel
June 4th, 2005, 04:15 AM
Ok, I'm gathering information in which to gauge my repsoniblities to the fallen nation. Whose going to help?

From the Nations thread:


Republic of Chile

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Name: Republic of Chile
Leaders- Main People: President Joaquin Lavin (Conservative), Opposition leader Michelle Bachelette (Center-Left)
Population: 37,000,000
History: The history of this Republic of Chile goes the same as in OTL until the Pacific War (1879-83). During this time, Chile spread its power northward, capturing the provinces of Antofagasta, Tarapaca, and Atacama. However, the leaders in Santiago made a quicker peace with Peru, realizing it was impossible to capture the whole country, and retreating from Lima to its present OTL borders, except for Bolivia being given a small strip of land on the coast and rail access to it to prevent a future war. Without the losses implied by the semi-guerrilla war of Peru against the Chilean occupiers, Chile was able to send troops southwards to reclaim the Patagonia, which the argentines had been chipping away at since the 1840's. The Argentines refuse to compromise, and war looms ahead. The war starts in late 1884. The now veteran Chilean army, supported by the increased money from trade due to the saltpeter producing regions of the North, inflict several humiliating losses on the larger Argentine army. However, soon a stalemate develops, and peace is made by the treaty of Ushuaia on august 13th, 1885. Chile manages to hold on to an atlantic coast, although it is much reduced. It also gets the entire Tierra del Fuego.
From then on, Chile becomes a wealthy, powerful country. It claims easter island, and economic growth is even greater than in OTL, due to the ability to export through the Atlantic, in puerto santa cruz. The civil war against President Balmaceda in 1891 is won by presidential forces, due to the increased public support because of the stronger economy, and Balmaceda's decision to strengthen democracy instead of establishing a dictatorship. The quicker war stopped the atrocities comitted by Balmaceda and the liberal government introduced more democratic reforms, which further boosted economic growth, international investment, and industrial growth. By 1900, Chile was considered an important power, and a growing leader in Latin America.
WWI saw the international importance of Chile increase, since the warring nations required more saltpeter. Chile supported the Allies, and on 1917 sent a small expeditionary force to fight in France, as well as some of its modern navy to aid britain, after U-Boat attacks on saltpeter shiping.The war also saw a great increase in European immigration, which further boosted population and modernization. During the 1920's, Chile saw a period of unprecedented prosperity, and the election of both a conservative president and congress. The government placed a laizes -faire policy, and local industry boomed, even with the collapse of the saltpeter industry due to synthetic saltpeter.
The Wall Street Crash affected Chile greatly, and caused a coup against the conservative government in 1932. The new liberal coalition introduced a "new deal" program, although the conservative elements stopped the marxists from gaining too much power. In 1935 the collapse of the Bolivian government meant that Chilean troops moved in to restore order, as this could be catastrophic for northern stability. Peru complained about this, and declared war on april 15th, 1935. The war was quickly won by the modern Chilean army. Chilean aircraft bombarded Lima, and the navy destroyed 5 Peruvian destroyers. A land invasion began on the 18th, and 3 weeks later had captured Lima. the treaty of Sucre made the entire south of Bolivia up to the deparment of santa cruz an occupation zone, whose fate would be decided by a plebicite, control of the Natural Gas wells, the control of Peruvian Arequipe to Chile, and established a new Bolivian Republic, which finally began to prosper with Chilean aid. The plebisite was won in favor of Chile, due to the increased economic aid which the southern bolivians were grateful for. By 1939, Chile was ruled by a left wing coalition, the opposition were the remaining conservative elements. In 1939, WWII began. The American front put Chile against fascist Argentina and the Second Confederation of Peru and Bolivia, founded in 1937 and bitter from defeat in 1935. Chilean forces, although better equiped and with USA aid, were outnumbered and soon began to lose ground. Axis forces would capture Sucre, Antofagasta, Puerto Santa Cruz, and Punta Arenas before Brazil entered in 1942 to turn the tide. After 1944, the navy was sent to the Pacific to aid America against the Japanese. War's end in early 1946 with the atomic bombs dropped in Hiroshima and Cordoba, Argentina, gained Chile some territory from Argentina. In 1952, the Chinese civil war ended with nationalist victory. During the 50's and 60's, Chile enjoyed good economic growth and renewed immigration from Peru, Argentina, and a shattered Europe. The 70's brought Communist revolutions to Argentina, and military coups in most latin american countries. Chile remained stable, and the election 1970 was won by center left candidate Salvador Allende, the first leftist government since 1910 (better economy discouraged him joining Communist party). In 1982 Chile would become a nuclear power as its government insisted on greater protection against the radical neighbors. This raised some objections from the USSR, but little from the USA, as it was glad to have another nuclear armed ally. The restoration of democracy in latin america and collapse of the USSR in 1989 saw the begging of a decade of renewed economic boom. The election of 2000 would be won by Joaquin Lavin. By 2004 the threat of war is again in the world due to Nationalist China's dispute with the USA over the USA's invasion of Kazakhstan to fight terrorists. Economic collapse and coups in Brazil and Argentina in 2003 has Chile preparing for possible preemptive strikes.
Military:
Army- Over 700,000 combat ready troops, and with conscription has a trained reserve of 4,000,000. Over 700 Abraham tanks.
Navy- 25 Capital ships, 3 Aircraft Carriers (O'Higgins, Prat, Balmaceda), 42 smaller ships.
Air Force- The FACH has just gone through a modernization process. It has 35 F-16's, 20 Harriers, and 75 older aircraft (including 30 chilean made P-120 Condors) , as well as 40 Black Hawks.
Chile is a nuclear power and has 10 nuclear warheads, although only a few ICBM's.
Economic- It has the GDP of a developed country, and its main exports are manufactured cars, copper, saltpeter, fruits, natural gas, and other manufactured products. It also exports a few military weaponry.
Other Info-

Aussey
June 4th, 2005, 04:19 AM
Lorraine-Holland gets 60% of their Pacific islands, all their artillery, and 1/2 their airforce. Columbia gets 40% of the Pacific islands, all of Chile, the entire navy, 1/2 the airforce.

Othniel
June 4th, 2005, 04:25 AM
Santiago, Republic of Chile January 2nd
Palacio La Moneda
"The news of the 3rd recent coup in Argentina and 5th in Peru-Bolivia is only a week old and already we have even more surprising and disturbing news" said the Minister of Foreign Relations, Nestor Kirchner. " We appear to have lost contact with all nations and our satellite communications have disappeared. We have managed to regain communications with Arica, Puerto Santa Cruz, and Punta Arenas, but have yet to hear from Sucre and Easter Island. It appears that our troops which participated in the recent preemptive invasions of our neighbor's unstable governments have been taken back to their home bases" " Even stranger, when our reconnaissance aircraft flew over Argentina and Peru-Bolivia, instead of the rioting crowds and street fighting they saw peaceful, developed cities, which on the case of Argentina were not on the map. We have spoken to a few borderline inhabitants and they speak english! The culture of Argentina seems to have been changed overnight, strange, considering the Argentines hate the British. It appears they now call their nation "New South Yorkshire". Ill keep you informed as more reports come in."


I'm just gathering information right now Aussey. I will certainly beat the crap out of Gran Columbia if it looksa nessacary.

Matt
June 4th, 2005, 04:27 AM
Aussey, post in the Who's the Hell is Still Around Thread please.

Othniel
June 4th, 2005, 05:06 AM
April 6th, the last day we heard from Chile in the American thread....
From: Republic of Chile
To: Gran Colombia

We accept your pulling out of your troops in Venezuela. All Chilean military units have been returned to Chilean waters, air space, and territory. However, we will maintain a strong presence in the border as an emergency defensive precaution.
We hope that the peace between you and the other American nations will be long and prosperous.

Signed,
Joaquin Lavin
President of the Republic

Lauranthalas
June 4th, 2005, 06:01 AM
Lorraine-Holland gets 60% of their Pacific islands, all their artillery, and 1/2 their airforce. Columbia gets 40% of the Pacific islands, all of Chile, the entire navy, 1/2 the airforce.
I doubt the airforce will survive me.
and I am sending a task force down there so if the navy messes with me ...

Othniel
June 4th, 2005, 06:03 AM
I activate my reserves, immeadately Brazil prepares for the worst. Our manpower is now up to 1,500,000.

Othniel
June 4th, 2005, 07:21 AM
Lorraine-Holland gets 60% of their Pacific islands, all their artillery, and 1/2 their airforce. Columbia gets 40% of the Pacific islands, all of Chile, the entire navy, 1/2 the airforce.
If Gran Columbia annexes Chile there will be war. I'm not going to share a boarder that long with Gran Columbia.

General_Paul
June 4th, 2005, 08:38 AM
You don't like it Othniel, tough luck. You want to take me on, you've also got to take on Canada, and Lorraine. So, once again, do ya feel lucky, punk? Well, do ya?

Matt
June 4th, 2005, 10:51 AM
if Lorraine supports this ridiculious and absurd land grab, it well be attacked by Germany and Poland. Good luck with that Aussey.



[explosive rant=on]I'm sick and tired of this axis of silliness. This coalition makes absolutely zero, ZERO sense.

Aussey has crafted an alliance with a nation who 6 months ago attempted and damned well near succeded in taking his South American territory, thrashing the 4 divisions that were in there. Killing 10s of thousands of Lorraine citizens. And now they're allies?! Colombia was allied with India, who launch biologial weapons the results in the death of MILLIONS in Lorraine alone, so you ally with him? Makes no sense whats so ever.

Canada is a country with at least something resembling a democratic tradition. In it's timeline it has strong ties to the United States. So what does it do the second it ISOTs in? Allies with the Facist dictarship in South America, that can't offer it anything besides being really really evil. Ignoring attempts from the countries that would logically be close to it, ie the US and UK, it has choosen the country that doesn't even exisit in ITL and seemingly decides to ignore it's history to go on a meglomanical conquests just because Lauran and GP goto the same high school. Repeat in every Mosiac Earth game.[/explosive rant= off]

Glen
June 4th, 2005, 02:19 PM
Greater France and Zaire have close ties to Brazil through CATU, and will support her in a war against Gran Columbia.

The United Kingdom would very likely also be forced to intervene as we would prefer Chile for a neighbor for New South Yorkshire than Gran Columbia. Given the number of almost wars that Gran Columbia had previously been involved in, His Majesty's government has invested a significant number of troops and naval vessels in the region.

Quite frankly, an attempt to occupy Chile would likely lead to war with the member states of both the GDI and CATU. And if Lorraine is allied with Gran Columbia in this endeavor, than it would also likely lead to its invasion from three sides, Greater France, the UK, and Germany.

DuQuense
June 4th, 2005, 02:47 PM
All War is evil, so lets just be on with this one. Egypt needs customers, and the Shah wants the loser in his coalition.

Civilizer
June 4th, 2005, 02:57 PM
The Chilean nation will never surrender its territorial integrity, and will fight to the end any foreign occupation. Under this threat, we have mobilized our army towards the northern border, and our pacific navy is ready to begin operations in the pacific anytime.

Aussey
June 4th, 2005, 03:39 PM
Lorraine only entered the war to win a south-pacific foothold. If Chile is willing to sell some, Lorraine will gladly drop out of the war.

perdedor99
June 4th, 2005, 03:56 PM
well, just by reading the number of their armed forces and taking into account the geography of the area, an invasion will not be a picnic. The front is a narrow one and make almost impossible for maneuover operations. The airforce is very modern and most likely will be destroyed like the Mexican one was but they will get some of their enemies with them. Also three aircrafts carriers need to be hunted down and there is a lot of places to hide.

If I was this so-called "Axis of Evil" leader I go for a limited victory. Maybe capturing Atamaca province and the part of Bolivia the Chilenians own and them set terms. An annexation of Chile will be too costly and the political implications too big. I already see Colombia making threats to Brazil. A member of CATU. That equal to fighting Brazil, France and Iberia. And them thru France GDI will join. Not a good idea. Same with attacking the british colony in Argentina. Limited choices.

Othniel
June 4th, 2005, 06:53 PM
Zaire is a part of CATU also. Brazil why not a member of the GDI also has a huge army I'm not going to occupy but in the best intrest of my country there is no way that I want to share a boarder that big with Columbia.

Civilizer
June 4th, 2005, 07:10 PM
The most we would ever sell is free access to some port, maybe Puerto Montt, or Puerto Williams in Tierra del F., but we will never surrender actual sovereignety

Civilizer
June 4th, 2005, 07:10 PM
Im not too clear on things, could someone plz make a chart showing alliances, and nations against me?

Othniel
June 4th, 2005, 07:17 PM
I'm not clear on how this started:

there is this:
To: Nations of the World
From: Gran Colombia

Subject: War

Dear sirs and madames,

We believe it is in the best interest of the nation of Gran Colombia to gain total control over the belligerant nation of Chile. We will not give an ultimatum, nor give any veiled threats. We are declaring war upon your nation, and will not stop untill we hit Santiago. Our new found allies, Lorraine, will do the same in a short period of time. Do not hesitate, do not question, either surrender, or face the blitzkrieg. This is your only warning.

Miguel Bedford
Dictator
Gran Colombia
and then a converstaion starts...

Othniel
June 4th, 2005, 07:31 PM
To: The Nations of the World, SPECIFICALLY Gran Columbia, and Lorraine
From: The Holy Roman Empire

The Imperial Government states that it wishes to see evidence that the government of Chile is indeed beligerant. Though we realize we have little right to condmen such an invasion, and indeed we are not interested in war.
Also, we note that if such evidence to the satisfaction of the Imperial Government is not procured, the informal alliance between said Empire and the Kingdom of Lorraine would most likely be terminated.
We are insulted by your government's insinuation that you are unquestionable. The Imperial Government notes that there is a world community, and to ignore it would bring disaster upon your nation. Note the example of Indonesia, which believed it could focus inward, and grow it's military. Look where that nation is now.

Gen. Karl Franzberg
Triumvir of War

In the Name Of

HIM Alexander II,
Holy Roman Emperor, King of Poland, Elector of Austria, King of Bohemia, King of Croatia, etc. etc. etc.

To: The Nations of the World
From: The Kingdom of Lorraine and the Netherlands

The Regency of His French and Latin Majesty King Christian I de Guise, King of Lorraine and the Netherlands, Duke of Orleans, Duc de Guise, King of the Swiss, and Count of Luxembourgh does find it necessary in the Majestic agenda of His French and Latin Majesty's government to eliminate the Chilean nation, and fully support and applaud the Gran Columbian government. Within a days time, 12 planes, ready for attack, will be deported from the Province of Venesuela to the Chilean capital of Santiago.

We also see fit that the Province of Venesuela be sold to the Gran Columbian government. Therefore the Kingdom of Lorraine and the Netherlands does hereby sell the lands formerlly belonging to the Province of Venesuela, in their entirety, to the Gran Columbian government for the price of Twenty-five billion dollars. We will be keeping the Royal Lorrainese-Dutch Air Base of Venesuela, the King Charles Naval Base, and the Imperial Army Base, as agreed to by the President of Gran Columbia.

This was published with approval of the National Assembly of the Kingdom.

Signed,

The Honorable Marguerite von Krafft
President of the Lorraine-Dutch State
Kingdom of Lorraine and the Netherlands
To: The Holy Roman Empire
From: Gran Colombia


Subject: Evidence

Evidence 1) Loss of Gran Colombian scout airctaft on the 1st of January of this year, loss was investigated, and found to be the cause of a Chilean Missile battery firing upon the scout aircraft, the pilot was killed.

2) Loss of the Gran Colombian B-29 bomber "Peruvian Pride" on her trip from Quito, Gran Colombia, to Aukland, New Zeland. Loss was attributed to the missile battery of a Chilean Defense battery. The bomber was flying at 30,000 feet, 10 miles outside Chilean Air Space. The bodies of the pilot, and flight crew were never recovered.

3) The threats against Gran Colombia time and time again, example: The threat of invasion, and annexation by Chile during the Venezuelan crisis, the mexican invasion, and before the bio-war.

4) The purchase of military aircraft by Chile recently, which are tactically offensive aircraft, and who's only use would be a direct attack against the nation of Gran Colombia, and her allies.

5) The building up of an offensive army, who's only use could be the annhialation of the Gran Colombian military.

Any other questions can be forwarded to my private message box (OOC)

Miguel Bedford
Dictator
Gran Colombia
To: Gran Columbia
From: The Holy Roman Empire

Thank you for listening to our request. We see no reason why such information, especially the attack on Gran Columbian planes, should not be responded with force. Indeed, had a neighboring nation of the empire been found to be attacking Imperial Aircraft, we would likely do the same thing. The Holy Roman Empire sees no reason to object to your invasion.\

Gen. Karl Franzberg
Triumvir of War

In the Name Of

HIM Alexander II,
Holy Roman Emperor, King of Poland, Elector of Austria, King of Bohemia, King of Croatia, etc. etc. etc.

To Gran Columbia
From The United Kingdom of
Great Britain and Northern Ireland

While understanding the need to guard national security, His Majesty's government asks for restraint from the nation of Gran Columbia in the dispute with Chile Given the long border shared by New South Yorkshire with Chile, military action in that area would pose a danger to our citizens.

Cordially yours,

Baroness Margaret Thatcher
Prime Minister
This was followed by an expansion into the remaining remenants of Boliva. From what I've seen The blame against Chile is clearly forgivable and this war can be back out of now.


Brazil

Offical notice to Gran Columbia and Lorraine to back down.

Withdraw from Chile now with the threat of war as the consquences of your actions.

Aussey
June 4th, 2005, 07:37 PM
The Union of Capitalist Catholic Republics finds it necessary to drop the Declaration of War, as placed by the former, imperialistic regime. Indeed, the National Assembly of the UCCR finds it suitable for a compensation of f13,000,000 to be paid for any minor events caused by the former Royal Lorrainese-Dutch Airforce.

Margurite von Krafft
President of the UCCR
UCCR

Othniel
June 5th, 2005, 06:08 AM
Notice: This thread is strictly out of Charater

Thank you :D

Othniel
June 5th, 2005, 06:51 AM
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Othniel
June 5th, 2005, 06:59 AM
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Othniel
June 5th, 2005, 07:01 AM
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Aussey
June 5th, 2005, 02:32 PM
UCCR is interested in purchasing the Juan Fernandez Islands

Matt
June 5th, 2005, 04:32 PM
1) my rant has not been rationaly countered, I would appreciate a solid explaination beyond 'just cuz.'

2) Such a narrow front to attack through for Columbia. Good luck with that.

3)

Othniel
June 5th, 2005, 06:54 PM
1) my rant has not been rationaly countered, I would appreciate a solid explaination beyond 'just cuz.'

2) Such a narrow front to attack through for Columbia. Good luck with that.

3)
There is no rational counter. and to the second one topography gives me the advantage on attacking Columbia, should it come to that.

perdedor99
June 5th, 2005, 07:03 PM
There is no rational counter. and to the second one topography gives me the advantage on attacking Columbia, should it come to that.

There is no rational counter for the first one. For the second one is not that easy. You can attack where you want but you have to go thru easily attack supply lines[roads and trains thru jungles] so they could be attack. Your advantage is that the Colombians need to cover a long border but after you attack they will know where to defend and it will turn difficult.

Civilizer
June 6th, 2005, 09:58 PM
From: Chile
To: Gran Colombia

Your "evidence" stated before is not based upon truth. Those incidents were accidents, as we have no reason to cause them, since they don't benefit us. The purchase of the aircraft was due to defensive purposes, and the movement of our army is in response to the invasion, just in self-defense. Withdraw now or we will begin our counterattack. This is your last chance

Cockroach
June 7th, 2005, 01:36 AM
Lorraine-Holland gets 60% of their Pacific islands, all their artillery, and 1/2 their airforce. Columbia gets 40% of the Pacific islands, all of Chile, the entire navy, 1/2 the airforce.
To: Gran Columbia
While the Commonwealth of Australia has no intrests on the south American Mainland we advise you that any attempt to seize islands in the Pacific Ocean will bring a hail of 16" shells and 1000 pound bombs crashing down on your head.

Sir Thomas Hall
-Governer-General, Commonwealth of Australia.

Othniel
June 10th, 2005, 05:29 AM
Ok, I want an anwser, has GCA pulled out yet?

Othniel
June 11th, 2005, 03:22 AM
Somebody tell me what is happening here so I can get on with the situation. Having one country (and just one) involved in such a situation as a war, waiting for the descion on this. I don't want to strike unless I'm postive about this Has he or has he not left?