Solutions

[Bulgaroktonos]

Well, it seems as though we've effectively destroyed ME7 with the Imperial invasion.

Rather unfortunate I'd say, as it was going very well prior to said invasion.

Any suggestions on what should be done to revive this broken game?

[perdedor99]

Eliminate everything from the moment the invasion started on. Everything was just a bad dream.

[Bulgaroktonos]

I was thinking along those lines myself........

[DuQuense]

I would like a complete restart IF whe agree that The ASBs ISOT in Your Embassies or Consulates, along with your Country, AND that the telegraph lines go from your State Department [foriegn office] to a room in your embassy. If The US wants to message France , US sends a message to the Ambassador, and he deliverers it and gets the Reply,

[Imajin]

I certainly dislike the idea of a complete restart- I've done too much for that...
Why not speed up the Antarctic Climate Change massively, and see where that takes us?

[Othniel]

Deal with the remenants? I thought we were giving this a rest over the weekend..... :confused:

[Ward]

How many of you guys know of the Game called Twilight 2000 .
How about a game set in that world were you are limited to small countries with pops less then 25 million when you come over . or you can take a nation from that world . You would come to a world in 2000 were it is trying to survive . Could be fun . Because the twilight nations armys are all veterns of 4 years fighting .

[Diamond]

Ward - I loved that game when I was in high school. Played it religiously for about 2 years. I wish I hadn't of sold all my rule and supplement books... :(

[Ward]

Ward - I loved that game when I was in high school. Played it religiously for about 2 years. I wish I hadn't of sold all my rule and supplement books... :(



How about a world like that were we are small nations that end up in it .
I would love to take Mich. and Indiana as a plaier nation . One we would have to help rebuild the world . I still have my books and Army Guides .

Think of Some one playing a nation like Sweden and now being a major power in the world . This could be lots of fun . No one would be a super power .What with the major powers of the world destroied .

[Diamond]

So you're saying that the ISOT'd nations would be small ones from ATLs sent into the world of Twilight 2000? That would probably work well, actually. All the unclaimed areas (and there should be a whole hell of a lot of 'em) would be nuclear wastelands or areas of lawless anarchy.

Would you limit it to a single area, like North America, or make it worldwide?
I'd go for just North America, myself.

[Matt]

How about entities in a post-war world? I wrote my most devolped universe while I was on deployment envolving a post-nuke US and the struggle of the government(realitivly beigned compared to most US governments in this scenerio) to restore order 10-15 years afterwards. There were Raiders and warlords, and an independent California and Texas, etc etc. I drew this out the most over my area, New Jersey. We could keep players confined to a small geological area, and produce a list of avalible "players."

[Ward]

How about entities in a post-war world? I wrote my most devolped universe while I was on deployment envolving a post-nuke US and the struggle of the government(realitivly beigned compared to most US governments in this scenerio) to restore order 10-15 years afterwards. There were Raiders and warlords, and an independent California and Texas, etc etc. I drew this out the most over my area, New Jersey. We could keep players confined to a small geological area, and produce a list of avalible "players."


So MB would you be Running this game .

[Ward]

So you're saying that the ISOT'd nations would be small ones from ATLs sent into the world of Twilight 2000? That would probably work well, actually. All the unclaimed areas (and there should be a whole hell of a lot of 'em) would be nuclear wastelands or areas of lawless anarchy.

Would you limit it to a single area, like North America, or make it worldwide?
I'd go for just North America, myself.


World wide and make are otl split off some time around 1914 to 1990 .


Think of a small nation were airships are still used . Or even some city states that come over . Rember most of the oil producing countries have been hit also . If you ever read some of the last books the whole world was in a hurt . . We could let are ideas realy go craze . How about a nation from an otl that was like the fruture from the 1930's world fair . Rember we all would need food and oil . If I took Indiana and Mich I wouild have the 194th Armore Brigade in Cairo Illinois that would be looking at my terotory with hunger .
I would have to fight them soon as well as other units . Could I stop them or not .

[Condottiero]

What about using the Waterworld map?

The POD: June 1st, 1975.
The Event: ASBs melt down the two poles and sea level raises 100 m.
The Thread: by June 1st, 2005 the first contacts between isolated new nations start.

[Galbatorix]

i like the waterwold idea. but i think the pod have to be earlier. we can have steampunk or madmax civilizations.

[Galbatorix]

have a look at this one http://www.worlddreambank.org/D/DUBIA.HTM

[Matt]

So MB would you be Running this game .


If people like my idea, then yes I would be willing to play the GM of this.

[Imajin]

I don't know if the solution is to retool the ME concept, indeed, history shows otherwise, look at Mosaic Europe for an example.
I think that the examples show that if we try to fit a ME into a certain pattern, it tends to fail. Look at DME, whose idea was "Let's see random nations from other worlds beat up the Nazis", where it basically eventually ignored the Nazis, who later lost power anyway. Then look at SME, which had no real overall idea, and I believe it lasted longer.
I think a good part of the Mosaic Earth games successes depend on new ideas. For example, Aussey's Mexico gave ME5 a boost.

[DuQuense]

8000 BP a ASB using their super predictor weather forecaster [see ASB Thread] notices that the inter glacial melting is ending.Being a helpful sort of ASB It goes out to the Oort cloud and finding a large comet of CO2 & H2O, makes thousands of 20 foot diameter comets, and sends them to earth on a thousand year intercept.

Over the next several centuries Sky gazers learn to expect daily barrages of shooting stars.
By 7000 BP the earths CO2 has doubled and the melting continues.

By 2000 BP the world looks like this
http://www.worlddreambank.org/D/DUBIA.HTM

So a group of ASB's ISOT several pre Industrial [wind-water-muscle] into ramdon spots on the world. They then come back 500 years later to see what is happening.

[Imajin]

So basically, inverse earth with a different world map? I don't know.

[Imajin]

I note that I've been mostly whining how X wouldn't work. Here's my proposal, which I'm sure that someone will shoot a hole in on why it would fail as soon as I post it:

NEW MOSAIC EARTH (NME) (Because MEx is overused)
- No direct ISOT year: Nations can be ISOTed from whatever time as long as they meet the tech limit.
- Tech Limit: 1950.
- No limitations on Countries other than Tech Limit
- World Map made up of Zones, like in the earlier MEs here.

[DuQuense]

but if you put 1710 France in Madagascar and 1710 Britain on the Continent opposite. France is now the Island across the Channel, while Britain is a Continental power. Would this cause stagnation, or would they recover in several years and start moving out again. India has American Indians from 1650 Romans in New Zealand Greek city states in the Philippines, I want to try one of these "What if Japan and Britain changed places" Mosaic Earths.

[Imajin]

but if you put 1710 France in Madagascar and 1710 Britain on the Continent opposite. France is now the Island across the Channel, while Britain is a Continental power. Would this cause stagnation, or would they recover in several years and start moving out again. India has American Indians from 1650 Romans in New Zealand Greek city states in the Philippines, I want to try one of these "What if Japan and Britain changed places" Mosaic Earths.
Ah, I was assuming for some reason that by "pre-Industrial" you meant "ug ug, look at new wheel invention" cultures...
That would be interesting, now that I think about it...

[Condottiero]

The problem with pre-industrial worlds is that everything should go slower and we think at XXI century speed. We should have tables of speeds of ships and land forces moving in different conditions.

I would prefer older MEs, but I think it is harder to play.

I think we have several possibilities

a) DuQuense's idea in the Waterworld thread... Maybe we can have new superpowers: USSSR, Canada, Switzerland, South Africa, Angola...

b) Galbatorix' link to a water world (it has climate and biological descriptions) and put there different pre-industrial nations.

c) Use 1950 level technologies

[Ward]

The problem with pre-industrial worlds is that everything should go slower and we think at XXI century speed. We should have tables of speeds of ships and land forces moving in different conditions.

I would prefer older MEs, but I think it is harder to play.

I think we have several possibilities

a) DuQuense's idea in the Waterworld thread... Maybe we can have new superpowers: USSSR, Canada, Switzerland, South Africa, Angola...

b) Galbatorix' link to a water world (it has climate and biological descriptions) and put there different pre-industrial nations.

c) Use 1950 level technologies





How many of you really know what the tec was of 1950 .

rember things were changing so fast in 1950-1960 .
Also most smaller countries were still flying WWII aircraft.
how are we going to make countries .

[Condottiero]

The main problem is not technology is the way we prepare this. We could do it having two PODs the one of the climate change and each one's TL, or just one the climate change and work the creation and technology level of each nation coordinately.

[Matt]

If we must do something, how about we all try concentrating on AV?

[Diamond]

If we must do something, how about we all try concentrating on AV?
For those that are interested, I am creating an entire site with forums for AV, with Darkest90's help. I should have it ready to go within a couple of weeks, and I'll post the link when its up and running.

[Glen]

Hi guys.

As you might have guessed, real life has been keeping me away for a few days. And I can see that y'all have been busy in my absence. I have a few suggestions and thoughts.

1) I see that ME6 really looks to be gaining some momentum. I would love to keep that up. I think there are some real possibilities there still.

2) The Empire of the Midnight Sun was much more of a disruption than I had anticipated, and quite frankly my implementation of such a grandiose invention should have been more researched and detailed. I apologize. I do think they were fun to create, and I am glad you had a chance to see them. However, it is becoming apparent to me that, personally, I do not have the time at present to run them the way they should be and not have the game crash even more than it already has.

I believe that ME7 has some real possibilities as well, especially now that Aussey has some more ability to get into things. I really would like to keep it going.

So, what to do? I also do not want a complete restart, as that would be a waste for some of the really nice play that has gone on. I think the evil cancer that is the Empire of the Midnight Sun should be excised from the game (hey, maybe we should have their world as an AV plane<eg>). I have a few ideas how to do this.

- Retcon to April 25th, and simply say that there was no Empire of the Midnight Sun and Antarctica is still Ice. Not my favorite option since it makes for confusing reading of the threads.

- A second ISOT! This is something that I have thought would be interesting. What if there were a second ISOT where the Empire of the Midnight Sun was ISOTed someplace else and replaced with another Antarctica? It could be a conventional one, or another ice melted one. We could even make it a primitive Antarctica populated with dinosaurs or megafauna. On the last active date that we have posts for, the Imperial troops and ships just....disappear. By then, people will have seen their supply convoys and know they came from someplace very South, and thus have an impetus to go explore, and find the unpopulated primitive Antarctica. Granted, it will be a dying continent, but it might make for some interesting play, or could even be ASB stabilized in some way.

- Disease destroys the Empire, ala War of the Worlds! Perhaps in their world, smallpox was unable to survive the climatic changes (there is some evidence that climate can affect viral cycles, so this is possible) and they never encountered it. The death rate for a naive population is something like 90%. The Imperials die in droves, collapsing in the trenches in the Invasion sites. Their ships have been carrying loot and messages, and the disease spreads like wildfire through the continent of Antarctica. By the time a few months later that the nations of ME7 have pulled themselves together enough to investigate, Antarctica is an erie ghost nation, filled with strange gaslit pyramids of gold in the darkness of Antarctic Winter, and a few pitiful remnant humans barely hanging on in small gangs. It would be a rich wasteland to loot, and again there might be a race by the nations (or independent adventurers) to pick the riches of this obscene corpse before the snows slowly bury them over the years and decades.

3) Starting any new ME or other game will probably kill a significant portion of the other games, prematurely in my opinion. I would love to see that Dubia world have non-Dubia nations ISOT onto the dry land ("Captain, we've lost contact with Florida. Do we know what strange nation has replaced it?" "General, it appears that no nation has, instead it is underwater!") I think it would be verrry interesting to see nations like Canada, the US, Scandinavia, and Russia deal with having an ice-free Arctic to navigate, and of course there would be the land rush to Antarctica and its mineral resources. I think such a world should be either 20th or 21st Century in tech to make it a fast paced enough game. However, I do not believe we should start ANY such game or thread until either a lot more of the MEs already existing have run their course, or we get a large influx of new players that would make opening a new game worthwhile.

Well, those are my thoughts at present. What do you all think?

[Imajin]

Hm, about the second ISOT... Would this mean that the Imperials outside Antarctica are still around?

[Glen]

Hm, about the second ISOT... Would this mean that the Imperials outside Antarctica are still around?

I would say no. Just as in the first ISOT the foreign troops ended up returned to their homebases, so too here they will disappear with their nation. ME7 nations would be left with the impression that the Empire of the Midnight Sun is jumping around the multiverse, sowing havoc wherever they roam. And wondering if at some point they too will once more disappear for parts unknown....

[Imajin]

I would say no. Just as in the first ISOT the foreign troops ended up returned to their homebases, so too here they will disappear with their nation. ME7 nations would be left with the impression that the Empire of the Midnight Sun is jumping around the multiverse, sowing havoc wherever they roam. And wondering if at some point they too will once more disappear for parts unknown....
"Finally, the peoples of Andorra Nova Nova made their move on the occupied city, rushing what they expected to be armed guards. Shockingly, the city was entirely deserted of Imperial troops. Instead, the rebels were greated to cries of joy, as slaves were released...."

[Glen]

"Finally, the peoples of Andorra Nova Nova made their move on the occupied city, rushing what they expected to be armed guards. Shockingly, the city was entirely deserted of Imperial troops. Instead, the rebels were greated to cries of joy, as slaves were released...."

Or how about this option?

"Finally, the peoples of Andorra Nova Nova made their move on the occupied city, rushing what they expected to be armed guards. Shockingly, the city was littered with dead or dying Imperial troops. Instead, the rebels were greated to cries of joy, as slaves were released from where the desperate Imperials had locked them away. And then there were the warships on the docks, now only manned by corpses...."

[Condottiero]

If I had to choose between those options I would go for the illness that kills them.

[Glen]

If I had to choose between those options I would go for the illness that kills them.

I note you said "if" you had to choose. Would you prefer to keep going as is, or do you have yet another option you'd prefer?

[Condottiero]

I note you said "if" you had to choose. Would you prefer to keep going as is, or do you have yet another option you'd prefer?
I think it is better to try to continue as it is. But I also think that if we want to remove the Imperials then it should be done without disrupting what we have written.

I thought about this ME as a three side conflict: Draka/British/Prussia, France/Russia/Austria and New Granada/U.S./La Plata. But reality does not tend to accept our plans and the Empire was that unplanned thing...

However if ME7 is a bit low it is not because the Empire invaded all southern nations. The Persians are attacking Mecca and the Austrians had not answered, the Pope could have occupied all the north of Italy and Switzerland and nobody would have opposed, there is a war in Denmark going really slooooowly, nobody is moving in East Asia but my Carlist Philippines and what happened to that clash between dutch and northamericans in Texas?

[Imajin]

Well, Aussey hasn't been on lately, so we don't know why he hasn't repsonded (However, didn't he mention in his claims for Austria that Mecca is specifically excluded?)
And the war in Denmark is indeed going slowly... And unfortunately, the Karelians have no idea what a "green flag of peace" is...

[Condottiero]

Well, Aussey hasn't been on lately, so we don't know why he hasn't repsonded (However, didn't he mention in his claims for Austria that Mecca is specifically excluded?)
And the war in Denmark is indeed going slowly... And unfortunately, the Karelians have no idea what a "green flag of peace" is...

I suppose they'll shot down the peace envoyees then (they'll do it because they are evil, everybody knows that when you want a truce and to speak peacefully you send him with a green cloth tied to an stick).

Do you plan to send also land troops? My idea was to have the British also interested in the straits and to have them involved in the conflict. Perhaps the Prussians will not be happy either of having the door of the Baltic in the hands of some rebel Germans and some Russians...

[Galbatorix]

Well, Aussey hasn't been on lately, so we don't know why he hasn't repsonded (However, didn't he mention in his claims for Austria that Mecca is specifically excluded?)
And the war in Denmark is indeed going slowly... And unfortunately, the Karelians have no idea what a "green flag of peace" is...
?it has been excluded? ?how can i contact with skandistan? they will need my help

[Galbatorix]

i vote for the disease option.

[Othniel]

Oldenburg:
I wrote up a naval blockade, and I'm fighting a war of attrition there. Artillary is pounding away. I've also sent ships to Landon Island to contain troops that may come by ship. Contain, Contain Contain.


But as for the Dutch I don't write battles.

[Matt]

what happened to that clash between dutch and northamericans in Texas?




I was assembling transports in Mobile Bay to send to the Mouth of the Mississippi in order to secure it. Then the imperials appeared. Incidental I've asked for more volunteers then I could ever transport to South America. Wonder where they'll go... :D

[Glen]

I was assembling transports in Mobile Bay to send to the Mouth of the Mississippi in order to secure it. Then the imperials appeared. Incidental I've asked for more volunteers then I could ever transport to South America. Wonder where they'll go... :D

So, MBarry, do you have an opinion about the Imperials?

[Matt]

I'd like to rewind to April 25th and pretend this didn't happen, but I don't think popular opinion would go for that. Otherwise I'd go with the smallpox.

Of course we can go back to ME6, divy up some of the now unplayed nations amongst the active ME7 players and continue along our merry way.

[Ward]

I'd like to rewind to April 25th and pretend this didn't happen, but I don't think popular opinion would go for that. Otherwise I'd go with the smallpox.

Of course we can go back to ME6, divy up some of the now unplayed nations amongst the active ME7 players and continue along our merry way.



I'm for that . lets go back to ME6 .

[Bulgaroktonos]

I suppose they'll shot down the peace envoyees then (they'll do it because they are evil, everybody knows that when you want a truce and to speak peacefully you send him with a green cloth tied to an stick).

Do you plan to send also land troops? My idea was to have the British also interested in the straits and to have them involved in the conflict. Perhaps the Prussians will not be happy either of having the door of the Baltic in the hands of some rebel Germans and some Russians...

Oh don't worry. Britain is very interested in the Straits. It is going to be there as soon as I can find time to seriously commit to ME7.

In fact, I'll write up something right now....

[Bulgaroktonos]

I'd like to rewind to April 25th and pretend this didn't happen, but I don't think popular opinion would go for that. Otherwise I'd go with the smallpox.

Of course we can go back to ME6, divy up some of the now unplayed nations amongst the active ME7 players and continue along our merry way.

Well, if we are thinking of going back to ME6, then what shall we do with ME7?

Put it on the back burner?

Retcon it all and lock it up? I liked my Great Britain......

Besides, what has happened in ME6 recently?

[Imajin]

Aren't ME6 and ME7 both going on at the same time? I wasn't aware that either had ended. I know the HRE is occupying Java still.

[Matt]

Both are rolling at the same time, but not at full speed.

[Glen]

Aren't ME6 and ME7 both going on at the same time? I wasn't aware that either had ended. I know the HRE is occupying Java still.

Yes, both ME6 and ME7 are running concurrently, though sometimes one or sometimes the other seem more active.

Let's keep them both going. I'm going to place a pox upon the Imperials if no one seriously objects, as much to simplify my own life as to keep the game going, since some people have pointed out that not only Imperial involved nations had lags, and thus it can't be the only factor.

[Matt]

Well, if we are thinking of going back to ME6, then what shall we do with ME7?

Put it on the back burner?

Retcon it all and lock it up? I liked my Great Britain......

Besides, what has happened in ME6 recently?


Anyways, a thought just crossed my mind now. We could flashfreeze ME6 as is right now at this moment. Then we figure out what nations are neglected and playerless. Then we fastfoward it a few years. Let it play out that way. Thoughts?

[Lauranthalas]

Anyways, a thought just crossed my mind now. We could flashfreeze ME6 as is right now at this moment. Then we figure out what nations are neglected and playerless. Then we fastfoward it a few years. Let it play out that way. Thoughts?
sounds good? but you need to give then some time to let people write a bit down what happens because some of the armies aren't home and there is going to be weaponry production and so

[perdedor99]

Anyways, a thought just crossed my mind now. We could flashfreeze ME6 as is right now at this moment. Then we figure out what nations are neglected and playerless. Then we fastfoward it a few years. Let it play out that way. Thoughts?

same thought. not a lot of to do but a couple of alliances are forming. Still some loose ends need to be tied up before doing that. The south of India and ceylon are open for protection while the Indonesian situation need to be resolved. Still we could jump maybe a ME6 month equal to a couple of days until something interesting happen. In reality I'm seeing the GDI/Nato being faced by the nations with a grudge[Colombia,Iran, Soviet Union, Egypt, Canada?] but this nations are not strong enough to face the GDI yet and not in the inmediate future.

[Matt]

sounds good? but you need to give then some time to let people write a bit down what happens because some of the armies aren't home and there is going to be weaponry production and so


Well it wouldn't be effectively immediately. Once all the nations are reparcelled out, each nation would need to decide what has happened inside its country, and it's relations to others. Armed Forces would probably have to be updated, etc etc...

[Lauranthalas]

Well it wouldn't be effectively immediately. Once all the nations are reparcelled out, each nation would need to decide what has happened inside its country, and it's relations to others. Armed Forces would probably have to be updated, etc etc...
that's what i mean. so you'd say we figure that afterwards or before we jump? i'd say before is better

[Matt]

Before, definatly before. We'd have to pause the game for a week or two.

OT: I don't see why your Canada would be more inclined to the Colombian camp then the GDI camp. That was really random but I was thinking that for a very long whiles.

[Lauranthalas]

Before, definatly before. We'd have to pause the game for a week or two.

OT: I don't see why your Canada would be more inclined to the Colombian camp then the GDI camp. That was really random but I was thinking that for a very long whiles.
I have a rightwing dominant party democracy or in other terms virtual dictatorship. basically the GC goverment is the same as mine just more radical.

[perdedor99]

Well it wouldn't be effectively immediately. Once all the nations are reparcelled out, each nation would need to decide what has happened inside its country, and it's relations to others. Armed Forces would probably have to be updated, etc etc...

I say we continue and we figure it out jumping instead of daily to monthly. That way things will get themselves into place. For example, Japan will try to consolidate their gains and maybe expand the territory of their Song puppet and the Malaysians will turn into a commercial hub. And remember a new plebiscite is due for Borneo on a ten year ME6 timeframe.

Egypt will cozy up with the Iranians in the military side, but will trade with everyone and anyone willing to pay.

Mexico is moving on the road to democracy but with a large US presence due to the Colombians.

[Imajin]

I have a rightwing dominant party democracy or in other terms virtual dictatorship. basically the GC goverment is the same as mine just more radical.
Those dictatorial Canadians!

Of course, the HRE is basically an absolute monarchy with an advisment council and a facade of democracy, so we don't have much of a right to complain about dictatorships...

[Matt]

So change the time scale to 1 RL day = 1 ME Month? I think we may be able to agree to this, if we can all hustle together and hand out unplayed nations.

Oh and for Balance reason we might want to late ISOT some sort of China in. Just another thought.

[Lauranthalas]

Those dictatorial Canadians!

Of course, the HRE is basically an absolute monarchy with an advisment council and a facade of democracy, so we don't have much of a right to complain about dictatorships...
welcome to the club I just call my king Chancellor

[perdedor99]

Before, definatly before. We'd have to pause the game for a week or two.

OT: I don't see why your Canada would be more inclined to the Colombian camp then the GDI camp. That was really random but I was thinking that for a very long whiles.


Not pause, but the check of nations not playing should be done to see if they are still playing. I just got in touch with Chile and they are willing to purchase aircrafts from Egypt as a response to the Colombians.

[Matt]

I have a rightwing dominant party democracy or in other terms virtual dictatorship. basically the GC goverment is the same as mine just more radical.


Ok, so it's really more of a one-party state. what bought to mind was the fact that you have very modern American designed aircraft and I was curious to the circumstances that would even bring that about.

[Imajin]

Oh and for Balance reason we might want to late ISOT some sort of China in. Just another thought.
I agree, a China would be interesting... Hopefully a powerful modern one, or Japan/Persia/USSR would just move in and divy up it's territory (again).

[perdedor99]

So change the time scale to 1 RL day = 1 ME Month? I think we may be able to agree to this, if we can all hustle together and hand out unplayed nations.

Oh and for Balance reason we might want to late ISOT some sort of China in. Just another thought.

Well, China as it is a possible future conflict zone, being a border between the Soviets and the Imperial Japanese. And IMO is one of the places still open for expansion. And a 1RL=1Me month sounds ok. If the Soviets join the other side they could get serious. They are in an economic plan to raise their standards of living and their economy is being subsidised by Iran and their army is being supplied by Egypt.

[Lauranthalas]

Ok, so it's really more of a one-party state. what bought to mind was the fact that you have very modern American designed aircraft and I was curious to the circumstances that would even bring that about.
it's basically that in my tl canad is one of the most advanced research countries and canad and the US had really close ties due to their support on both revolutions against the british. so we have basically the same technology. that's how that works. and it's not really a one-party state since I still have multiple parties but they either have to support me or go mystreiously down.

[Matt]

I agree, a China would be interesting... Hopefully a powerful modern one, or Japan/Persia/USSR would just move in and divy up it's territory (again).


Well originally I was to play Hendryk's Superpower Empire: China. However I decided I had my hands full with my original nations of GB Germany and Poland.

[Matt]

it's basically that in my tl canad is one of the most advanced research countries and canad and the US had really close ties due to their support on both revolutions against the british. so we have basically the same technology. that's how that works. and it's not really a one-party state since I still have multiple parties but they either have to support me or go mystreiously down.


Like Mexico!!! Is it possible for closer relations between canada and the US? Esp given our common heritage?

[Lauranthalas]

Like Mexico!!! Is it possible for closer relations between canada and the US? Esp given our common heritage?
depending on how it works out between GC and US over Mexico i could probably come closer too the US but when the US goes after GC or vice versa I would have a problem like Japan right now.

[Matt]

I'm going to leave them alone. Having a Facist nation well leave a sour taste in many peoples mouths, but I ain't willing to pay the reapers toll to do anything. But I'll very strongly insist that Mexico is in the US's zone of influence.

[Lauranthalas]

I'm going to leave them alone. Having a Facist nation well leave a sour taste in many peoples mouths, but I ain't willing to pay the reapers toll to do anything. But I'll very strongly insist that Mexico is in the US's zone of influence.
i'd propose a split in mexico. the north = US sphere of influence, the south = GC spere of influence. I could figure there something out where the line is to be drawn

[Matt]

Only if the US can use one of the Canals.

Heh, this has turned into the Canadian mediates the Mexico Crisis thread

[perdedor99]

Only if the US can use one of the Canals.

Heh, this has turned into the Canadian mediates the Mexico Crisis thread

I can see the US still abandons their puppets when is convenient for them. So I guess no big change from TTL. :D

[Matt]

Only part of it's puppet :D

[DuQuense]

voted for the Disease and Looting.

?it has been excluded? ?how can i contact with skandistan? they will need my help

Write a piece about your Ambassador to Copenhagen , finding the Embassy [flying a Muslim type flag] suddenly in a Muslim Denmark. As long as the telegraph is a secret inside your embassy, Your Ambassador can make all kind of authoritative statements about what he is sure his Government would like, and what it probably will do, in a case like this. PM Denmark to work out the details of the Embassy.

[Condottiero]

voted for the Disease and Looting.



Write a piece about your Ambassador to Copenhagen , finding the Embassy [flying a Muslim type flag] suddenly in a Muslim Denmark. As long as the telegraph is a secret inside your embassy, Your Ambassador can make all kind of authoritative statements about what he is sure his Government would like, and what it probably will do, in a case like this. PM Denmark to work out the details of the Embassy.

Yes, the ambassador could go to see the "new" government. Or maybe you could send a courier-ship.

Are we going for the illness-looting solution?

[Glen]

Yes, the ambassador could go to see the "new" government. Or maybe you could send a courier-ship.

Are we going for the illness-looting solution?

Yeah, I think so. So feel free to write about the deaths of the Imperials in your own lands. And the ships in those invasions should be considered salvage.

The death rate should be placed at near 90% from just the disease (and of course there will be other losses). What I think I would recommend is to have a very few Imperials survive and go bandit out in the hinterlands of your nations. Also, I think I will have a few of their ships back home in Antarctica be salvaged by survivors and go pirate. There will be no Imperial Government, no unified Imperials at all, but they can float around as quirky NPCs. For years, people will be frightened by tales of wild cannibals living in the wilderness.

Antarctica will be rich for looting. There will probably be again some isolated individuals and groups to fight. Oh yes, and also the horrors of the human herd pens to be discovered, though they will be mostly dead too. They kept these slaves illiterate and even without language, basically reducing them to little more than animals.