The Great War of 1937-1951-A Very Different WW2

[Archangel Michael]

I have finally setteld on a PoD for my 'Earlier WW2' thread.

In early March, the Gremans invade Czechslovakia. After about a month of fighting, many Czech units surrender, and Czech becomes part of Germany. A combined Slovak/Soviet Army is able to hold off the Germans for a while, but finally are forced to surrender. How does this sound?

[basileus]

I have finally setteld on a PoD for my 'Earlier WW2' thread.

In early March, the Gremans invade Czechslovakia. After about a month of fighting, many Czech units surrender, and Czech becomes part of Germany. A combined Slovak/Soviet Army is able to hold off the Germans for a while, but finally are forced to surrender. How does this sound?

The Slovak may well surrender, but the Soviets will not. What about Poland, Austria and Hungary? The most likely development is that Poland and Hungary associate them like hyenas with the Nazis to dismember Czechoslovakia and hold off the Soviets; Austria can still rmain neutral, but its fate is sealed.
The simple presence of the Red Army in Czechoslovakia should garantee the most absolute Western neutrality (not to say sympathy for the Nazis) fro moment being.

Anyway, in 1937 the German Army wasn't probably in such a shape as to successfully overrun the Czech border fortresses in the Sudetenland. The only wa to achieve this was to unleash a opro-Nazi insurrection in those German-speaking border areas.

[Archangel Michael]

I've thought about the German army. No, it probally couldn't run through Czechslovakia with out help. Maybe a mutiny in the Czech portions of the army, and pro-fascist factions within Czechslovakia sabatoge the Russian and Slovak military.

I'm thinking that Poland and Hungary will remain nuetral for now. And that was suppose to be 'The Great War of 1938-1952: A Very DIfferent WW 2', so Austria would be part of Germany. Hungary is lening towards the Nazis, and so is Poland.

[Norman]

I like the idea of a more adroit Germany manipulating Czechoslovakia and establlishing a puppet regime. If done well, this could keep the Chamberlain out of Munich,and keep the English from committing themselves for a bit.

The Soviet Union, sensing that Germany may start to absorb more of Central and Eastern Europe into a German Economic Zone, could then attack from the East.

If the conflict begins to spill out into other areas, such as Poland, then Germany offers assistance, and etc, etc.

The problem with this approach is that if Germany engages the Soviets to soon, they may not turn to the West, and England and France may see it as an Eastern European War.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

The incident in Czechoslovakia is after the anshluss with Austria, basileus. In OTL, Poland was a pro-axis neutral due to its non-agression pact with Germany, and would be unlikely to get involved in the war at this time beyond selling war materiel. Hungary is more likely to get involved in any conflict, as it had already signed an agreement with Germany.

[Archangel Michael]

I like Norman's idea for an earlier WW 2. Can I borrow it?

[Archangel Michael]

I now have a pretty set idea about how to go about this, with a lot of Norman's idea.

Aptril 13th, 1938: The Czechslovakian Nazi Party, or the Iron Cross Party, gains a majority in the legislature of Czechslovakia.

April 14th: Fearing the Iron Cross party, the President of Czechslovakia dissolves that legislature session. The Iron Cross's version of the SS, the Grey Shirts, and regular civilans, riot in the major cities.

Aptril 16th: The Iron Cross Party Leader, Gustav Reinfeld, requets German assistance. Hitler mobilizes several brigades of 'volunteer' infantry and armor, and begin to move into Czechslovakia. The USSR condems the invasion, but does nothing about it.

April 20th: The Deutsch Freiwillige Gruppe, or German Volunteer Group, arrives in Pargue. Several pro-Iron Cross military units have also clinged to the DFG. The DFG begins to 'restore' order.

Aptril 24th: The DFG and Grey Shirts initate a coup against the existing Czech government, and they succede. Gustave Reinfeld becomes president of the Republic of Czechslovakia. He agrees to ceede the Sudetenland to Germany. Also, production of LT-35 and the TNHP (Pzkpfw 35(t) and 38(t)) is doubled. Half will go to Germany, while the rest will go the Czech army.

April 30th: Stalin feels threatened by a pro-German Czechslovakia, and a German-leaning Poland adn Hungary, so he orders the Red army to draw up plans to invade Poland.
*Note: Stalin had only extremley minor purges. Most of the Army's high command is still intact.

May 3rd: The Red Army prepares for the invasion of Poland. German spies discover this, and the DFG in Czechslovakia is recalled. The 1st DFG (Division Size) and the 2nd DFG (Divsision sized) are sent to Poland at the request of Poland.

How it that so far?

[Norman]

This looks very good. Do the Nazis tone down their anti-slavic ethnic stance (having more close slavic allies should have some impact)?

[Archangel Michael]

Yeah, they probally will have a less anti-Slavic stance than OTL. I'm also thinking about Hitler threatens all the Jewish scientiest that leave to stay, so they can work on Hitler's A-bomb project. ANother thing that would be interesting: the Germans at the end of the war, uses Jews from the concentartion camps as cannon fodder.

[Archangel Michael]

May 11th: The Red Army invades Poland. The France, Britian, and the United States all condem it, but do nothing about it. The 1st and 2nd DFG's are mobilized to the front immediatley.

May 22nd: The Red Army has already advanced about 75 miles. This is slower than originally planed, thanks to the German DFG. The Polish refuse to retreat, creating for massive body counts.
The Luftwaffe forms the Falke Legion (Falcon Legion) to fight in Poland. They are shipped out in a week.

May 29th: The Falke Legion arrives in Poland. Hitler sends more forces to aide the Poles. The combined Polish/German army regroups 29 miles in front of Warsaw to defend it. Several Polish and German units are sent to out-flank the Russians in the south.

June 7th: The Russians begin to besiege Warsaw. The Germans and Poles make the Soviets fight for every square inch of land. The Soviets reach the border with East Prussia. The Armeegruppe Sud (Army Group South) has initiated a counter-offensive

June 19th: Armeegruppe Sud's advance has been stalled three miles from Warsaw. But Armeegruppe Ost has started another counterattack from East Prussia.

June 30th: The Soviets unleash a new offensive, named Operation Switchblade. An army of nearly 350,000 men and 1,500 tanks are used. The Armeegruppe Ost is pushed back across the East Prussian border, and Amreegruppe Sud has been cut in half.

July 2nd: The Soviets cut off the rest of Armeegruppe Sud. Southern East Prussia is taken by the Soviets.

July 11th: Warsaw is finally captured. Nearly 35,000 Poles and 3,000 Germans surrender. The rest of the Polish Army is in a full scale route. Hitler orders that Armeegruppe Ost make a defensive line in southern East Prussia. The German portion of Armeegruppe Nord is ordered to return to Germany.

July 26th: The remaining Polish army surrenders. Southern Poland (the area that fought the hardest) is organized into an occupation zone. The People's Socialist Republic of Poland is established in Warsaw. A quarter of a million Soviet soldiers remain in Poland to keep the peace.

[Legolas]

Very nice so far.
On another note, I think that the Baltic states and Finland may be very pro-German in this point. They feared the Russians, and Lithuania also has claims on Polish-controlled lands. Therefore, they may be willing to fight against the Red army. Not just after Poland fell, of course. But maybe in the future.

[Archangel Michael]

Good idea. I've been thinking having Finland and Russia fight a war here in a few months, and the Baltic states request German help. I also think that a Polish government-in-exile will be pro-German, because Britian and France didn't help them, and the Germans fought alongside with the Poles, and lost territory because of it.

July 31st: Combat expierence in Poland has given everyone new data on armored warfare. The Russians have accelereated their T-34 program, hping to have it operational by mid-1940. Also, the German Pzkpfw IV (the mulit-turreted Neubaufahrzeug OTL) has been accelerated. Production will commence a month before the T-34. Production of Pzkpfw III has begun.

August 4th: Czechslovakia, Finland, Italy, Hungary, and the Baltic states all sign the Munich Pact (Tripartie Agreement), and form the Axis.

August 13th: Czechslovakia is partitioned between Germany (Czech protion) and the rest, witch will form the Republic of Slovakia.

August 15th: Britian, France, and Belgium form the Alliance of Europe.

Agust 19th: Romania signs the Munich Pact, as Turkey begins to lean towards the Axis.

[Archangel Michael]

My last post ends Part One of my 'The Great War of 1938-1952). Now onto Part Two.

August 19th, 1938: Production of the Pzkpfw III has begun, along with production of the of the heavier Sd.Kfz. 234 Lynx (http://www.linux-penguin.org/achtungpanzer/234_2.htm) and Sd.Kfz. 233 (http://www.linux-penguin.org/achtungpanzer/sdkfz233.htm) armored cars.

August 21st: Stalin oreders that the Red Army prepare for an invasion of Finland. Crack veteran units-totaling around 200,000-and an estimated 30,000 soldiers and 2,500 tanks.

August 22nd: Estonia is annexed by the Soviet Union. 25,000 soldiers and 500 tanks cross the border before the small Estonian army and about 1,500 German "volunteers" are able to respond, and are destroyed or captured.

August 23rd: 500 Soviet soldiers are killed in a roadside ambush in Estonia, and in Poland, an uprising in Warsaw begins.

August 27th: The Warsaw Uprsing is put down. 10,000 Poles in Warsaw alone are massacered. An estimated 50,000 more are killed, and 30,000 are sent to Siberia.

September 13th: 230,000 Soviet soldiers and 2,800 tanks corss into Finland. The German High Command convinces Hitler not to declare war on Soviet Union, because Germany is not ready yet. Instead, 10,000 "volunteers" from all over the Axis are sent to Finland.

To be continued...

[Archangel Michael]

September 15th: The Sweedish Nazi Party or, Nationalsocialistiska Arbetarpartiet, gains control of Sweeden's legislature and presidencey. A young pro-Fascist prince, Adolf Gustav, is appointed king, and given complete power. Adolf Gustav is crowned King Oscar III.

September 16th: At the Battle of Lahti, the Finnish Army repulses the Red Army. The Red and Finnish Armies fight each other to a standstill, but most of southern Finland remains in Soviet hands.

September 25th: The Pkfpfw IV begins pre-production testing. King Oscar demands that he be crowned King Oscar II of Sweeden and Norway, but Norway does not agree.

September 26th: The Royal Sweedish Army invades Norway, and meet massive success early. Using expiremental paratroppers, Sweedish paratroppers sieze Oslo.

Septemner 30th: Oslo is captured by regular Sweedish forces. Parts of northern Norway are seeded to Sweeden, and the rest of Norway will be left alone.

November 1st: Sweeden signs the Munich Compact, making her an Axis power.

November 13th: A hand-ful of T-34 tanks begin to appear along the Kouvola Line in Finland. Sweeden prepares to send forces into Finland to aide a fellow Axis power.

November 25th: The Spainish Civil War ends as Franco seizes Madrid. Spain becomes a Fascist state, and is asked to sign the Munich Treaty. Instead, Franco declines the offer.

November 26th: Royalist forces under Gustavus V attack Stockholm. A great portion of the Sweedish army is loyal to the Fascist forces. The Royalist are defeated at the Battle of Uppsala.

November 27th: Stalin orders that Sweeden be invaded to aide the Royalist. The Sweedish Communist Party enters into the Royalist Colalition.

November 30th: Ivalo is captured by Russian forces. The Sweedish Army on its way to Finland is recalled and sent up north.

December 11th: The Russians do not advance any father. Gustavus V is killed by a stroke, and the Royalist Colalition goes into caos. The Communist declare the Soviet Socialist Republic of Sweeden in the north, but will be absorbed by the Soviet Union.

December 14th: Germany begins to mobilize its forces, with Pzkpfw III and a hand-full of Pzkpfw IV, and moves into Sweeden. The other Axis powers too begin to mobilize forces.

December 17th: The Soviet Socialist Republic of Sweeden is invaded by Axis forces to protect Sweeden.

And so ends Part II.
Sweeden is invaded by way of Finland. Northern Finland has been captured by the Soviets for this occasion.
Flag of the Fascist Empire of Sweeden, from Flags of the World (http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/)
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/s/se}nsf.gif

Flag of the Soviet Socialist Republic of Sweeden:
http://www.alternatehistory.net/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=44&stc=1

[Archangel Michael]

December 15th: Slowly, the Soviets invade Sweden, and the Axis declare war. The Allaince of Europe, now named the Entente, condems the Soviets, and tries to negotiate a peace.

December 20th: Despite the freezing cold, the Soviets advance quicly now. The hastily prepared Sweedish defenses are swamped, and sometimes, passed by quicly. The Sweedish Air Force's few premanent air bases are destroyed, but the mobile ones are not. Massive Soviet bombings leave Stockholm and other major Sweedish cities in ruins.

December 26th: The Axis units form a defensive line stretching from Vilhelmina in the north, down to Ornskoldsvik in the south. Many soldiers on both sides are dying from forstbite, and only a quarter of all airplanes are working.

January 9th, 1939: During the biggest air raid of the war, Stockholm is attacked by 500 Red Air Froce bombers. The German Luftwaffre downs about 125 of these bombers before they reach Stockholm.
At the Battle of Vilhelmia, the fighting is from house-to-house. The Soviets learn that tanks get stuck in city streets, and make perfect targets for anti-tank crews.

January 17th: At Umea, the Germans and Axis counterattack, and drive the Soviets back to Skelleftea, about 100 kilometers. There, the front line stalls until spring.

January 26th: The Luftwaffe begins to hit Soviet supply lines, and begins to disrput the flow of ammunition to soldiers.
The Red Air Force's bombing missions are now begging to stop due to high loss rate.

Febuary 11th: Hitler orders that the General Staff call up plans for the liberation of Poland and Finland.
In Finland, the Red Army makes one final push towards Helsinki, and make it to the outskirts of the city.

Febuary 14th: The Pzkpfw IV begins mass production, due to its accelerated program. In Helsinki, the Soviets are fighting building-to-building, and face stiff resistance. Once again, the infantry must go with out tanks, because the Soviet tanks get stuck. German Lynx armored cars are doing a lot of damage to the Red Army.

March 2nd: The Soviets begin to mobilize their forces into Romania with the Swedish and Finish fronts stalled. The Soviets begin to move Siberian-trained soldiers into the Finnish and Swedish fronts to renwe their offensives.

March 3rd: A train filled with 12,000 Siberian Soldiers is bombed by Luftwaffe bombers, and about 10,000 are killed.

[Norman]

As you have this written it is only a question of time before the Allies begin to send forces to support Poland, who joins with the Soviets to make it a world war?

[Archangel Michael]

hey, this is only the begging. I think that to make the Alliance enter the war, Germany or Italy would have to invade an Alliance member. I'm thinking about expanding to Alliance to include Norway, Netherlands, Greece, and maybe Portugal.

Breif Description of the Great War
The Great War of 1938-1952 is acutal the general term given to a whole variety of different confilcts (the Polish War, the Sweedish-Norwegian War, the Pacific War, and the Americas War). The deadliest war of all time, battles were fought on every continent (yes, even the pengiuns took sides :D ), and millions died. If only ended when every major Alliance city exploded in a Nuclear hellfire.

Even then, the United States did not surrender to Germany. The American Armies in France, Greeece, and Turkey did not allow the German Wermacht to move into the countries to occupy them. In 1951, Berlin, Nurenburgh, Munich, and Rome exploded in nuclear hellfire when the US used its own version of the A4 (or the V2) rockets, the SSM-01 Hawkeye, tipped with nuclear warheads.

The A9/A10 Inetercontinental Ballistic Missiles (ICBM) were used in retaliation to these nucelar srikes in Germany. One struck Washington D.C., one hit New York City, and a third missed, and exploded in the ocean. The US was forced to surrender, and recall all military forces from Europe. The USAF recovered the A10 missile that splashed into the ocean, and developed the SSM-02 Valkyrie ICBM.

[Archangel Michael]

The flag of the People's Socialist Republic of Poland:

[Tom_B]

A lot of items are well thought our but others are flights of fancy I'm afraid.

Lynx and Puma were both introduced in 1943. It is hard for me to see them being moved up as early as 1938. The Germans tinkered a long time with the PzII to get a fast recon tank and in the interim encountered the failures of the D and E models.

The Germans getting Abombs before the US is highly problemetic. There are scenarios where the development of American nukes is slower--a Bronx Project if you will but gaseous diffusion U235 bombs should be ready to rock and roll by late 1947. The German programs ignored U235 and concentrated on reactor produced plutonium as the only way to develop a bomb. This leads to many questions about whether they could get this act together.

There is also the question of delivery system. First generation nukes were heavy--9,000# for Little Boy. A V2 would not get off the ground carrying one. The German fantasy ICBM would not either. Eventually they could build one that could I suppose but long range bombers like the USAF B-36 would be delivering them. Some would get shot down but with sorties at night at high altiude supported by ECM aircraft most would get through.

Use of Abombs against England would probably result in retaliatiory use of British anthrax bombs.

[Archangel Michael]

Lynx and Puma were both introduced in 1943. It is hard for me to see them being moved up as early as 1938. The Germans tinkered a long time with the PzII to get a fast recon tank and in the interim encountered the failures of the D and E models.
What were the exact problems with the Lynx (OTL Puma)? If it was a problem that could nt be fixed with an ATL, I'll just get differrent armored cars.

The Germans getting Abombs before the US is highly problemetic. There are scenarios where the development of American nukes is slower--a Bronx Project if you will but gaseous diffusion U235 bombs should be ready to rock and roll by late 1947. The German programs ignored U235 and concentrated on reactor produced plutonium as the only way to develop a bomb. This leads to many questions about whether they could get this act together.
But what if Germany some how still had its Jewish scientists? Would that affect the American and German bomb programs?

There is also the question of delivery system. First generation nukes were heavy--9,000# for Little Boy. A V2 would not get off the ground carrying one. The German fantasy ICBM would not either. Eventually they could build one that could I suppose but long range bombers like the USAF B-36 would be delivering them. Some would get shot down but with sorties at night at high altiude supported by ECM aircraft most would get through.
I think I'll have the Ameircan nukes delivered by a B-36, but how could a German nuke be delivered?

Use of Abombs against England would probably result in retaliatiory use of British anthrax bombs.
Never heard of them. Any were where I can find information about them?

[Archangel Michael]

March 11th: The Partido Nacional Mexicano De la Libertad (Mexican National Freedom Party), a Mexican fascist party, gains control of the legislature. In response, the Liberal Colalition president declares the Partido Nacional Mexicano De la Libertad (PNML) illegal.

March 13th: The PNML openly riots in the major Mexican cities. In the confussion, several pro-fascist army regiments sieze control of the Mexican government, and declare the Federal Republic of Mexico.

Does that sound plausible?

Flag of the Federal Republic of Mexico

[Tom_B]

The Lynx was the L model of the PzKpfw II. The D and E were attempts at a fast "cavalry" tank and their problem as I recall it were that they broke down way too much esp. in hard terrrain. Barbarossa demonstrated the shortcomings of the PzII and the Germans considered all sorts of follow-on models but only put the L (Lynx) into production and a fairly limited one at that. The modest amount of what I know about Puma indicates it was a good model but you are not going to see 1938 A/C's armed with 5cm guns.

A common problem with Nazi Abomb ATL's is it's one thing to have the bomb and another to deliver it to a target. Most likely the Germans do not have a way to Nuke America. Could their really large flying boat be modified to handle it? Don't know. Actually to deliver it in Europe would require a heavy --very heavy--bomber that they lacked.

I don't have a web reference to British anthrax bombs, but I have seen references to Churchill wanting to use them on BBoards.

[Archangel Michael]

Part III, cont.
March 25th: The Soviets finally take Helsinki. The Soviet Socialist Region of Finland is created. With little resitance now, the Soviets are able to take the rest of Finland.

March 30th: Stalin orders that the Axis armies be pushed back into Norway, who is an unwilling ally of the Sweedes, then move into Norway hreself. Storuman is taken by the Red Army, but grinds to a hault when faced with stiffened Axis resistance.

April 9th: 150,000 Siberian-trained soldiers are used in a massive Soviet offensive in Sweeden. Armeegruppe C is pushed into Norway, and is supplemented by extra Norwegain fascist units.
Pzkpfw IV are being rushed to the front-line as quick as possible. With combat expierence, the Pzkpfw II Aufs C, armed with a 50mm cannon, beging production to fill the major armore gap in Axis armored units.

April 11th: The Red Air Force begins to attack Axis ships shipping Axis supplies to Sweeden from bases in Finland. In response, the Danish National Freedom Party is able to open negotiations between Germany and Denmark.

April 12th: The Germans are able to use the Dannish city of Copenhagen to ship supplies to Sweeden.
The Germans begin to mass forces in Norway and behind the Ange Line in centeral Sweeden.

March 16th: After a nearly-month long time with no fighting, the Germans and allies begin a counter-Blitzkreig in Sweeden. 800,000 German, Italian, Sweedish, Romanian, Hungarian, and Czechs and thousands of tanks of all types pour all across the 300-km long Agne Line. Massive German Panzer divisions separhead this attack, with infantry and Minor Axis tanks following. The Luftwaffe destroys all of the Red Air Forces permanet air bases (about 60% of all Soviet air bases in Sweeden), and medum bombers strike at Soviet supply lines.

March 20th: Panzer spearheads the port of Harnosand, the main port to resupply the Soviet forces. Axis forces attempt to cut off the Soviet retreat by landing 55,000 men and 600 tanks at Ornskoldvik. Ornskoldvik had remained openly rebellious, so the city was taking with ease.

March 27th: With more forces being landed in Ornskoldvik, the Axis begin to encircel the retreating Red Army.

May 12nd: 600,000 Red Army men surrender after being surrounded and mercilessly pounded by the Luftwaffe and artillery. The remaining 150,000 Soviet soldiers begin the a long route towards Finland, but are attacked by Luftwaffe bombers.

May 15th: Re-enforcements are rushed to Sweeden to protect Lulea Pocket. The Red Navy prepares a Dunkirk-like evacuation plan, but Stalin orders that they weight to see what happens.

May 22nd: The city of Boden is captured by the Germans, and the Lulea pocket continues to shrink. Stalin orders that thousands of soldiers in Finland be sent to Sweeden.

May 31st: The Lulea pocket now extends from Narvik in the north to Lulea in the south. 250,000 Red Army soldiers man this defensive line, which shrikns every day.
Stockholm is bombbed by Red Air Force medium and light bombers. The Sweedish Royal Air Force is able to destroy half the bombers as they are leaving.

June 9th: The Germans begin a massive offensive against the Lulea Pocket. Pzkpfw II Aufs C begin to arrive. The offensive gains 50 miles for the Germans in one week.

June 19th: Kurena is captured, cutting the Lulea Pocket in half. The northern half surrenders after two weeks.

June 21st: The city of Malmberget is entered by the Germans, and are forced to fight building-by-building. Instead, the Luftwaffe pounds the city for 144 (6 days) straight. The Malmberget commander-in-cheif surrenders. The Red Navy begins to encircle Lulea, so another Ornskoldvik will not happen.

June 29th: Pzkpfw IV begin to arrive in imited numbers along the Lulea Pocket. Fearing another trench-war like the European War of 1914-1918, the Luftwaffe prepares paratroppers to jump into Lulea to capture it.

Part IV
July 3rd: Pzkpfw III begin to arrive along the front-line in mass numbers, as production really begins to step up.

July 13th: Denmark is officaly annexed by Germany, with protests from the Entente. Junker Ju 52, modified for the aerial assault on Luela, begint to arrive with paratroppers to "train" in Norway.

July 15th: German paratroppers jump into Oslo, and seize the main govermental command centers. Norway, despite being under the "king" of Sweeden, is beinn rebellious, by not allowing German forces to move through Norway.

July 20th: With very few losses in the Norwegian Campaign, the German paratroppers are launched. 25,000 paratroppers jump in Lulea at dawn. The first thing they capture is the air field 2 miles outside of the city.

July 21st: Transport planes, carrying supplies, weapons, and light vehicles begin to land at the Lulea Air Field under heavy fire.

July 22nd: The German paratroppers, or punktetruppen, and with regular German units, begin to move out of the air field, and into Lulea. With the mass confussion at the front, the German army begins to roll onto Lulea.

July 29th: The regular German army reaches the Lulea air field to find it a a mess of post with barbed wire stretched across them, and soldiers in Soviet uniforms sitting in them. The punktetruppen have taken half of Lulea, and are waiting for regular Wermacht help.

August 9th: The Soviet garrison in Lulea surrenders, ending the Soviet Socialist Republic of Finland's rule of northern Sweeden.

August 10th: Norwa, despite lossing Oslo, prepare to defeat the Germans. The few punktetruppen left in Oslo, now supported by more soldiers, and armor, are a match for the Norwegian Army.

[Archangel Michael]

Part IV, cont.
August 21th, 1939: Fresh from Lulea, the Aremmgruppe Luft, comprised of all avialbe paratroppers and air-liftable vehicles, launches a two-pronged attack in Norway. Gruppe A attacks the port city of Arednal, and Gruppe B attacks the city of Gudvagen. The air fields their are taken, and air supplies begin to land by nightfall.

August 22nd: The Norwegian government, not set up in Lillehemmar, requetes Entente help. France does not want to risk war, but Britian and Belgium agree to send 3,000 and 500 troops, respectivley.

August 27th: The German army bursts out of Oslo, and heads for Arednal, Gudvagen, Lillehemmar, and Harnar. Supproted by air attacks and tanks, the army moves quickly.

September 1st: The British Norwegian Releif Force (BNRF), numbering 3,000 British and 500 Belgian soldiers, 200 tanks, 150 artillery pieces, and 50 planes, and land Stavanger. The German General Staff convinces Hitler not to declare war of the Entente, but instead, just bypass Stavanger, and form a loose-blockade.

Septermber 3rd: With little resistance, the Wermacht has reached her objectives (Arednal, Gudvagen, Lillehemmar, and Harnar). The Norwegian government surrenders, and most of southern Norway is ceeded to Germany, and the rest is created into a pro-Axis puppet regime.

Septermber 5th: Not listening to orders, the British, and what they can get, parts of the Norwegian army, begin to dig in at Stavanger. A defensive line, running from Egersund and Haugisund is formed, mostly manned by the Norwegian Republic Army (NRA).

Septermber 6th: Plans for an invasion of Poland are drawn up in Berlin. Preperation will be ready by spring of 1940.
Mass production of the Pzkpfw IV begin, and plans for 100 vehicles a month is the objective, but will exceed more than 400 in December-Feburary

Part V
Septermber 10th: The Royal Navy and Marines land 5,000 soldiers land three miles south of Oslo. Hitler orders talks with Germany, to reach a peaceful conclusion.

Septermber 12th: The BNRF in Stavanger begins to mobilize. Hitler demands the British pull their forces out of Norway, or face war. France is able to get Britain to back down, and all British forces, and NRA, is evacuated to Britian.

September 15th: The Istanbul Confenrence, between the German, Italian, Sweedish, Hungarian, Spanish, and Turkish goverments to get Spain and Turkey to join the Axis. Basically Hitler, who actually attends the confrence, promise Spain and Turkey new territory, a wealth.

September 20th: Stalin orders an invasion of Romania. 200,000 Red Army soldiers and 1500 tanks, 400 of which are T-34's, move into western Romania. Romanian Communist Party members sabatoge Axis raillines.

[basileus]

It's very similar to Bobby Hardenbrook's "shattered world" timeline for now...

[Archangel Michael]

It's very similar to Bobby Hardenbrook's "shattered world" timeline for now...

yes, I know. I'm basing some of my stuff off 'Shattered World', but I'm now begging to use it less and less.

[Archangel Michael]

I'm scarpping a Soviet invasion of Romania.

Part V, cont.
September 20th, 1939: German paratroppers, fresh from their Lulea and Norwegian campaigns, are joined by another elite group of soldiers, the Sturmtruppen, or Storm Troops. The Sturmtruppen are armed with Masuser 38K, equiped with a gas-operated shell ejection system, and the MK38, a version of the MP38, but equiped with almost-rifled sized shells.

October 4th: 15,000 paratroopers and 5,000 sturmtruppen (considered their own branch of the Wermacht), jump in and seize the Ukranian town of Chernivtsi. The sturmtruppen can capture a Soviet T-34 in 10 seconds, if they take it by surprise, and are used to hit hard and fast against Soviet positions.

October 10th: The Moldovan town of Bel'tsy is attacked by 10,000 paratroppers and 7,000 sturmtruppen. They seize the air field, and by the end of the day, light aritllery and more soldiers and sturmtruppen are flown in.

October 12th: The attack on Bel'tsy begins as 20,000 soldiers break out of the air field. Another 3,000, mostly sturmtruppen, jump into the center of Bel'tsy.

October 14th: With Chernivsti and Bel'tsy, the Germans have proved their new war doctrine of Luft Blitzkrieg. Luft Blitzkreig uses paratroppers and sturmtruppen to attack and seize startegic towns, while the regular army advances.
The RLM request a massive trasnport capbale of carrying the new Cougar air-cariable armored car.

October 15th: Stalin goes into a fit of rage when he hears about the new leuft blitzkreig, and orders that the Red Army form its own paratropper corps.

[thearcticfalcon]

The Soviet Union was the first nation to create a paratroop corp. The Nazis stole the idea.

[Guilherme Loureiro]

Also, the correct term for assault troops is Stosstruppen, not Sturmtruppen. All in all, looking good.

[basileus]

Launching paratroopers INTO a city is a mass murder of your own best troops.
Do you know HOW MANY planes are needed to transport all these men? And logistics, and food and ammunitions, whence they come?

[Archangel Michael]

Part V, cont.
October 15th, 1939: The Empire of Chernivsti is set up in Chernivsti and Bel'tsy, which comprises mostly of Moldova with small pockets of Ukraine herself.
Italian, Romanian, and Sweedish arms manufactures begin production of Pzkpfw II, III, and IV, to help the Germans along in armored vehicle production.

October 16th: The seige of Chisinau by German stosstruppen begins. The stosstruppen are given 100 panzers and 200 other vehicles, and 300 aritllery pieces to do this. As a test of what the stosstruppen will do for the rest of the war, the stosstruppen capture Soviet tanks and artillery pieces, swiftlly and silently.
Axis armor makes a huge lunge for Odesa to give Germany a warm-water port in the Black Sea.

October 21st: The seige of Chisinau is lifted under heavy artillery and aerial bombardment for 4 days straight. Chernivsti increases in size, and the Chernivstian Imperial Army is formed.
With this, the Moldovan SSR surrenders, and is absorbed into Chernivsti.

October 223rd: Completely taken off guard by this sudden attack targeted at Odesa, Stalin orders a counter attack into Romania and Poland.

[Archangel Michael]

Part VI
October 25th: The Romanian city of Satu Mare is taken by Soviet forces. 500 German stosstruppen remain in the city, and fight a guerlla-style battle for nine months.

October 27th: A massive uprising in Poland and the Ukraine begin. The uprsings are supported by special stosstruppen units and the local fascist orginizations. These uprsings are well organized, and gain Stalin's attention.

November 2nd: With Stalin distracted with putting down the rebellions in Poland and Ukraine, Hitler orders a full-scale invasion of the Ukraine. Odesa is finally seized, and the Axis soldiers are hailed as liberators.

November 4th: The Wermacht begins to advance towards the Crimea, and are ready to take any city in the way.
The Ukraine Home Militia has a nearly 45% desertion rating in the face of this German invasion, and the new German Pzkpfw IV tanks. Three Pzkpfw V (Pzkpfw IV Ausf F2 (http://www.onwar.com/tanks/germany/tfpz4f2.htm) OTL) are seen in proganda photos. the Pzkpfw V will begin production in late-1940.

November 11th: 200 Pzkpfw II Ausf C, 100 Pzkpfw III, and 110 Pzkpfw IV tanks, along with 100,000 men begin a massive push towards Keherson, which will bring the Germans closer to Crimea.

November 12th: 35,000 Turkish soldiers and 250 tanks of German design land on the Crimea penninsula.

[Archangel Michael]

Part VI, cont.

November 13th, 1939: 650,000 German soldiers and 5,000 tanks roll into Poland. Most of the soldiers have been trained in Sweeden and Norway for cold and harsh weather, and the tanks have been insulated to protect them from the oncoming cold.
German Armeegruppe C, in the Ukraine, continue their advance Kherson and the Crimea, and the Turkish army that landed there has begun a seige of Sevastpol.

November 14th: German forces in Poland are steadly rolling towards their target, Warsaw. The Danzig corridor has been annexed by Germany. Under the Treaty of Berlin, a small Poland will be formed in southern Poland, and threst will become German.

November 15th: The popular uprsings in Warsaw has put down. This has drawn thousands of Soviet soldiers from the frontline, and hundred more have been killed becasue of it.
The German Armeegruppe Nord has reached the Vistula in the north, and is moving south to take Warsaw. The German Pzkpfw IV has given the Germans a superior tank to the T-34.

November 22nd: Under orders from an enraged Stalin, and from advice from his top generals, the Red Army pulls out of the Ukraine. Crimea has been given to the Turks, and what was once Moldvoa and the city of Odeas have been annexed by Germany.

[wkwillis]

Germany invades Czechoslovakia in March of 1938.
As per treaty agreements, Britain and France declare war, followed by Poland, Rumania, and Yugoslavia as successive treaties kick in. The Russian air force and navy are allowed to join in, but not their army. They do ship the Polish, Czech, and Balkan troops artillary, ammunition, armor, and aircraft in large quantities, and lots of machine guns and mortors. Polish troops of Ukranian and Belorussian origin are armed with Russian equipment and manuals, saving the Polish equipment for the Polish troops. Hungary joins in when the Czechs promise to redraw the border so majority Hungarian districts are moved to Hungary. Belgium reconsiders it's neutrality as the French and British demonstrate some willingness to fight, unlike OTL. The Belgian army mobilizes and concentrates on the border, sucking in more German troops and shelling Aachen and anywhere within twenty miles of the border.
Berlin is bombed by the Russians every night and is rubble by the end. The British and French concentrate on the Ruhr and bomb it every day, with plentiful fighter escorts. They shut down all the armaments factories, and all the coke ovens. The Poles take out the synfuel plants. Both sides take out the tank farms with stockpiled fuels. Then they concentrate on electrical production facilities.
Czech and Russian armor are superior to the crappy German designs and the Russians alone have more tanks and artillary than the rest of the world combined. Germany can attack successfully at will with infantry, but the Czechs and Poles can attack successfully with their plentiful armor and artillary. Germany succeeds in pushing forward slowly with well executed infantry attacks, and the allies attack elsewhere so the front line bulges in both directions, slowly exceeding Germany's ability to man it. As the Balkan troops arrive in April the Germans are less capable of attacking successfully. There are just too many troops on the other side.
The Russian navy contributes ships for antisubmarine convoy escorts and submarines for antisubmarine patrols, further harrassing the Germans. Germany sends it's few subs with undertrained crews against the British merchant marine, seriously annoying Britain. Germany is unable to import supplies across the Baltic, or send out fishing boats, unlike WWII in OTL.
French and British troops cross the border at the end of March and slowly force back the relatively few Germans on the western front. By August they are on the Rhine, by September they are crossing over and establishing bridgeheads. Germany runs out of gasoline for it's aircraft, and then out of aircraft themselves to attrition against three times their number of enemy planes, and as a result bombing becomes uninterrupted by air defence. German cities are not yet defended by significant antiaircraft cannon. All the high muzzle velocity heavy cannon are being used as antitank guns on the borders.
In September the German armed forces shoot Hitler and make peace.
Total military and civilian casualties are 500,000 each. Civilian casualties are almost all German, four fifths killed by aircraft and one fifth killed by artillary. Miltary casualties are about three fifths Allied troops mostly killed by German infantry, and two fifths German troops mostly killed by Allied artillary.

[Knight Of Armenia]

Uhh... Willis? What does that have to do with the WW2 that has been going on? Make a new thread for this one... LOL.

[Kurt_Steiner]

I think I'll have the Ameircan nukes delivered by a B-36, but how could a German nuke be delivered?

The Me264, the Ta400.... see luft46.com

[Redbeard]

The Me264, the Ta400.... see luft46.com

Or an ICBM, AFAIK the Germans had one in the tube in 1945 - a V2 on steroids.

I would hate to see the US post WWII rocket programme without Werner von Braun.

Regards

Steffen Redbeard

[Kurt_Steiner]

I think that a nuke warhead would be too heavy for a V2.

[Straha]

without werner von braun the USA in the 50's would focus more on spaceplanes.