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Romulus Augustulus
May 21st, 2005, 11:24 PM
Okay...so, how about a non-ISOT shared world? It would be a never-ending story type RPG, starting on January 1st, 1916, in an ATL where the POD would be the Russians winning at Tannenberg. The result is that the First World War ends in 1915 with an Allied victory. The Germans pay some reperations and cede a few colonial possesions and Alsace-Lorraine, but for the most part, it is a status quo peace, and the war isn't nearly as devastating as in OTL. So...thoughts?

Imajin
May 21st, 2005, 11:33 PM
Okay...so, how about a non-ISOT shared world? It would be a never-ending story type RPG, starting on January 1st, 1916, in an ATL where the POD would be the Russians winning at Tannenberg. The result is that the First World War ends in 1915 with an Allied victory. The Germans pay some reperations and cede a few colonial possesions and Alsace-Lorraine, but for the most part, it is a status quo peace, and the war isn't nearly as devastating as in OTL. So...thoughts?
Sounds interesting.... I'd assume Austria would lose perhaps part of Bosnia (enough for a coastline, at the very least) to Serbia.
Because people on this board claim very fast, if we go through with this, I call the Austrian-Hungarian Empire. :p

Romulus Augustulus
May 21st, 2005, 11:43 PM
Not yet, Imajin, not yet. I'm going to formulate a more detailed timeline and draw up a map.

Imajin
May 21st, 2005, 11:45 PM
Not yet, Imajin, not yet. I'm going to formulate a more detailed timeline and draw up a map.
Alright... just keep the Habsburg Monarchy alive (and preferably with a coastline), I'm at least putting out an interest in playing it.

Romulus Augustulus
May 22nd, 2005, 12:00 AM
1914: Russians win at Tannenberg and begin advance into Germany, launching simultaneous offensives into Austria-Hungary. East Prussia is overrun, as is Galicia and a large part of the Austrian border areas. Russian forces besiege Budapest. At the same time, the German offensive is halted outside Paris, and the French push the Germans back, launching an offensive into Alsace-Lorraine. The British conduct landings in Belgium and send reinforcements to France. The Ottoman Empire gets drawn into the war. The shortage of war materials for the Russians (no route through Constantinople) and the onset of winter, combined with German and Austrian defeats, forces a stalemate.
1915: The British conduct landings at Gallipolli and capture Constantinople. After a humiliation peace is pushed down the throats of the Turks, the rotting empire becomes extremely unstable as finger-pointing and factionalization escalate. The ethic minorities, polarized in misery, begin to take it out on each other, and Greece sends troops to Ionia. Romania, Italy enter war on Allied side, attack Austria. Russia captures Budapest and overruns most of Hungary, enters Austria. A peace settlement is negotiated between the warring powers. By the terms of the settlement, the Germans cede Alsace-Lorraine to France and pay an indemnity. They also give up their colonies in Southwest Africa and East Africa. Southwest Africa goes to France, what in OTL is Kenya and Uganda goes to Britain, and what in OTL is Tanzania and Rwanda goes to France, along with Northern Togoland, the southern portion of which goes to Britain. Germany keeps Kamerun, however. Austria cedes Galicia, Bukovina and Silesia to Russia, and Germany cedes East Prussia, or those parts of it east of the Vistula, to Russia. Italy gets South Tyrol, Romania gets parts of Hungary.
1916: Yuan Shikai becomes Emperor of China, Ottoman Empire, now badly factionalized, splits into civil war after the Sultan is assasinated and there is debate over which faction's brainless monkey to put on the throne.

Oh...Abdul Hadi Pasha, please don't flame.

Imajin
May 22nd, 2005, 12:20 AM
Austria cedes Galicia, Bukovina and Silesia to Russia, and Germany cedes East Prussia, or those parts of it east of the Vistula, to Russia.
Austria doesn't own Silesia, and I think it would take a crushing- And I mean OTL WW1 crushing- defeat to make them lose Galicia and Silesia. Bukovina makes sense, though.

Romulus Augustulus
May 22nd, 2005, 01:54 AM
Well, according to the Historical Atlas of the 20th Century (http://http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/austhung.htm), it does own those parts! Could be because the Russians beat down on the Austrians worse than the Germans...they're besieging Vienna by 1915, you see. They manage to smother the Austrians with bodies, overrun Bukovina and most of Galicia, and manage to capture Budapest, then Vienna. Much more mobile than WWI, but also quite bloody. In East Prussia, they sort of stop advancing at the Vistula and dig in, but Austria-Hungary is humiliated. Also, since Bulgaria, Romania and Italy have entered the war on the Allied side and are attacking Austria-Hungary...

Imajin
May 22nd, 2005, 02:04 AM
Well, according to the Historical Atlas of the 20th Century (http://http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/austhung.htm), it does own those parts! Could be because the Russians beat down on the Austrians worse than the Germans...they're besieging Vienna by 1915, you see. They manage to smother the Austrians with bodies, overrun Bukovina and most of Galicia, and manage to capture Budapest, then Vienna. Much more mobile than WWI, but also quite bloody. In East Prussia, they sort of stop advancing at the Vistula and dig in, but Austria-Hungary is humiliated. Also, since Bulgaria, Romania and Italy have entered the war on the Allied side and are attacking Austria-Hungary...
Well, alright, so they kept about two small chunks of Silesia. Most of it was in Prussian hands though.
I don't see the Russians as wanting the large amounts of Germans that would be gained by annexing any of East Prussia. Personally, I think they'd use East Prussia as a bargianing peace for Posen if they want to gain something from the Germans, though I'm not sure if they'd want to annex even more Polish lands either. They might simply take the Moselland (Green on this map (http://www.polishroots.org/genpoland/images/eastprus.gif)) and East Galicia (Past the pink line on this map (http://www.personal.ceu.hu/students/97/Roman_Zakharii/galicia1.gif)). Romania taking Transsyvania ("part of Hungary") makes sense, as does Italian taking of Sudtirol. (They'd probably take the Kurstenland if they win there)
You forget the cause of the war though- Bosnia-Herzegovina and Serbia. Serbia would demand it, and if the Allies won the war, they'd basically be forced to give at least Herzegovina (The Serbs really wanted a Coast) to Serbia.

Romulus Augustulus
May 22nd, 2005, 02:16 AM
A good number of the Germans in those areas flee before the Russian advance.

Imajin
May 22nd, 2005, 02:20 AM
A good number of the Germans in those areas flee before the Russian advance.
Well, the main area with Germans is East Prussia, which was as German (with the exception of some areas, like the Moselland) as any part of Modern Germany. Also, there were alot of Germans in the Baltic parts of Russia at this time. Much of the WW2 fleeing was, IIRC, due to the fact that the Red Army's conduct was atrocious and the fact that the Allies had determined to boot out the Germans anyway.
I don't know if Russia can force such massive gains out, or even if it wants it.

DuQuense
May 22nd, 2005, 02:25 AM
I'm not sure

While South Africa has taken the West Coast, Von Lettow is still undefeated in German East Africa, and a lesser defeated Germany may try to hold on to it.

?Does Japan still get German Pacifica in TTL? [P-99's territory]

I still think whe should try Mosaic Europe First, but this does sound interesting.

reformer
May 22nd, 2005, 02:36 AM
Out of curiosity, why didn't you end up doing Moesaic Europe? I thought it was a cool idea. . .

In this game idea, would every player play a country, or would they play individual people?