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DominusNovus
January 8th, 2004, 09:25 PM
The ASBs decide to do some experiments with culture. They go through history, and abduct groups from two different cultures (say some Romans and some Aztecs) and put them together somehwere sometime out of the way. The two groups are equal in size (I'm thinking around a thousand or so each), and are picked so that they will have to unite (don't worry about why. if you really care, just say the ASBs zapped them with happy rays). The location should be good for their growth (good climate, soil, etc.), and ignore any problems with disease (for example, modern people are just as vunerable to smallpox as the Aztecs were). The groups can be from any points in time (so you could combine Sumarians with modern Iraqis, if you wanted) and could be the same civilization from two different times, if you wanted (combining 21st century Americans with revolutionary Americans). They can't bring any technology or items with them, though people from technologically advanced civilizations would be well off, since they've got the basic ideas of what to do (someone would probably know how to make gunpowder, basic machines, and have an understanding of basic physics)

So, who do you pick? Things to think about:
-religion
-language (if one is easier to learn/speak/write, it might become dominant)
-gender/class system

I'd pick some Americans (just ones that speak English as their first language) from AD 2004 and Romans from around the 2nd century BC and I'd put them around the mouth of the Mississipi River, around the 1st century AD. Both groups are pretty industrious and militant when need be (won't start a fight, but will end it on their terms). Both groups are pretty tolerant of religious freedom, but I'd expect Christianity to become the overwhelming majority religion (as it'd probably be in the American group anyway). Some of the Americans might already know Latin, this would help with early communication. Both languages often get mixed in with others, so they'd probably mesh fairly well, though the modern alphabet (with our J's, U's, W's, and punctuation) would probably dominate. Both groups are fairly devoted to the republican ideals (the Romans might kinda like the idea that our system is inspired by theirs) and the more refined American political system (with checks and balances) would probably work well with the Romans civic sense.

Assuming no slaves got brought along for the ride, the Romans might give up slavery, especially if the Americans can get some of the more easily produced innovations working, to ease the labor demand. Still, it could be a point of contention, but that really depends on the population involved (poor urban Romans wouldn't mind losing slavery, rich ones might). I'd also predict bad things for the Amerindians, they'd probably get assimilated and their land taken, as well as. It'd be worse for them if the American-Romans keep slavery, though they'd be assimilated quicker. I'd expect them to domiate trade in the region and build lots of infrastructure. Eventually, they might sail to the old world and stir things up there.

DominusNovus
January 14th, 2004, 07:25 AM
Gee, and with all the AH's out there that have cultures getting mixed (aztecs and chinese, north american indians and celts, germans and spanish), you'd think there'd be more interest in this idea... sniff... snuffle...

Oh well, I'll just blame Straha for stealing attention away. :D :p

DuQuense
January 14th, 2004, 08:27 AM
About 5000 Chinese from the late Bronze age [taken from China's Pittsburg] & 5000 Zulus from 1870~90's , Put them in 1400 north chile [copper belt] hit them with the happy ray, and see what happens to the Incas, and to Perizzo when he shows up in 1520. :cool: :D

DominusNovus
February 22nd, 2004, 07:28 AM
I'm feeling too lazy to come up with new topics, so I'm just gonna bump a few of my old threads.

Consider this one bumped.

sunsurf
February 23rd, 2004, 11:02 PM
Quakers and Aztecs

Quakers would have the decency and morality, Aztecs would contribute the fashion sense, landscaping, gardening, arts and theater...

:D


Mongols, Vikings and Polynesians

Polynesians and Australian Aborigines

Australian Aborigines and the Soviets/Socialists of 1918

Byzantines of the 5th century, and the Soviets of 1918

Stone Age Turkey and Victorian England

Stone Age Turkey and Edo Japan

Edo Japan and the Incas

DominusNovus
February 23rd, 2004, 11:19 PM
Quakers and Aztecs

Quakers would have the decency and morality, Aztecs would contribute the fashion sense, landscaping, gardening, arts and theater...

:D


Mongols, Vikings and Polynesians

Polynesians and Australian Aborigines

Australian Aborigines and the Soviets/Socialists of 1918

Byzantines of the 5th century, and the Soviets of 1918

Stone Age Turkey and Victorian England

Stone Age Turkey and Edo Japan

Edo Japan and the Incas

Do go into this more. Especially the mongol/viking/polynesian one. That'd be interesting, a highly nomadic society, equally adept at seafaring and horsemanship.

As for turkey (actually, anatolia to be correct), what do we know about them? I know that some of the oldest cities were in the general area...

G.Bone
February 24th, 2004, 12:29 AM
Let's see...

German, Italian, Spanish, and English all muddled up in Argentina

German, Norweigan, English, and Spanish in the Falkland Islands

Portugese and American (in Brazil)

British, Dutch, Belgian, French, and German

Russian and Italian

Cantonese and Vietnamese

Leo Caesius
February 24th, 2004, 12:54 AM
Phoenicians / Venetians. Perhaps in some sort of league of mercantile city states - like the Hanseatic League (Hansastadt Venedig, Hansastadt Tyr and so on). Or in an analogue of Singapore: An island (something like Cyprus) with Venetian, Phoenician, and Greek colonies, and three or four separate languages (Venetian, Phoenician, Greek, and Eteo-Cypriote). It would be an economic powerhouse!

sunsurf
February 24th, 2004, 12:54 AM
Do go into this more. Especially the mongol/viking/polynesian one. That'd be interesting, a highly nomadic society, equally adept at seafaring and horsemanship.

As for turkey (actually, anatolia to be correct), what do we know about them? I know that some of the oldest cities were in the general area...

Thanks, but it'll be a while before I can work out the details for the Mongol-Viking-Polynesian civilization.

As for Anatolia, well, I don't have much specific to tell you right now.
Catal-huyuk was an early site. I thought it would have interesting possibilities.

http://www.telesterion.com/catal1.htm

http://catal.arch.cam.ac.uk/catal/catal.html

Admiral Matt
February 24th, 2004, 02:43 AM
"Quakers and Aztecs

Quakers would have the decency and morality, Aztecs would contribute the fashion sense, landscaping, gardening, arts and theater..."

But what if you get the decency of Aztecs and the fashion sense of Quakers?

Personally, I'd go with Carthaginians from the Third Punic War (those people were angry) and a set of Mongols from Ghenkis' era (those people were mean). Set them up on the Caspian c100 BC, and they'll meet the Romans on the Danube.

It wouldn't be pretty. :)

DominusNovus
February 24th, 2004, 03:20 AM
Personally, I'd go with Carthaginians from the Third Punic War (those people were angry) and a set of Mongols from Ghenkis' era (those people were mean). Set them up on the Caspian c100 BC, and they'll meet the Romans on the Danube.

It wouldn't be pretty. :)
Hmm, I'd think that Punic Mongols could get enough people mad at them that they'd have their work cut out for themselves. Rome would be powerful enough that they'd at least try to oppose them. Any opressed populations would probably rally to the Romans (compred to what these guys would probably be, the Romans would be saints). I think it'd be an even fight. Both sides would be disciplined and adaptive. I think it'd probably come down to manpower in the end.

Admiral Matt
February 24th, 2004, 04:19 AM
Well the Romans would certainly have more manpower - possibly by a couple orders of magnitude. But remember, the Mongols were on the cutting edge of land warfare 1300 years later. I do agree that the fight could go either way, though.

DominusNovus
February 24th, 2004, 05:01 AM
Well the Romans would certainly have more manpower - possibly by a couple orders of magnitude. But remember, the Mongols were on the cutting edge of land warfare 1300 years later. I do agree that the fight could go either way, though.
Yeah, but the Romans were always quick to adapt to new military technology. I'm guessing they'd lose in the beginning, as they often did when facing an equal, but, as soon as they get the hang of things, they'd probably whoop some ass.