ME7: Battle Thread

[Glen]

This is the thread for posting battle information for Mosaic Earth 7

Please be certain to include where possible all relevant information like troop strengths, composition and armament, direction of advance, speed of travel, etc. The more details, the easier it will be for the moderators to render speedy determinations of results.

[Condottiero]

A caliphal infantry force will advance to Flensburg. The infantry will advance in 8 blocks of 100 men, while 2 other blocks remain by the artillery train. The infantry will try to enter the town, but if there's any resistance they will try to soften it with the artillery (6 guns and the two repeating muskets, they are not MGs but they fire faster than a musket and have a greater caliber).

One cavalry squadron (75 men equipped with lances and matchlock pistols and 25 men with bows) will go along the western coast by the Frisian Islands, they will try to take some prisoners to get info from them.

Another cavalry squadron will go along the eastern coast by the Baltic, they will try to take some prisoners to get info from them.

Two more cavalry squadrons will outflank Flensburg and will try to cut the road entering the town from the south.

Although they are more an scouting party than anything else they will try to capture Flensburg and anybody there in order to find out what has happened to the Germaniye army and whether they are Romans or not.

[Othniel]

The Flensburg police force is less than equiped for an invasion, but they are able to muster 4 rifles, and 37 samuel colt pistols. They are above average in the urban scene, but are usually not out numbered.

[Bulgaroktonos]

How many men in the Flensburg police?

[Matt]

The arty here is the killer. IF they didn't have any, I'd say the police would be able to hold up in some(preferably stone) building and give them a bloody nose.

[Othniel]

The arty here is the killer. IF they didn't have any, I'd say the police would be able to hold up in some(preferably stone) building and give them a bloody nose.
They said four calvary squads of 1 hundread men each invading from three sides, essentially a pincer attack. No atrillary was mentioned. I'll try and get a map of the town and surronding area.

[Matt]

The infantry will try to enter the town, but if there's any resistance they will try to soften it with the artillery (6 guns and the two repeating muskets, they are not MGs but they fire faster than a musket and have a greater caliber).

[Othniel]

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/baedeker_n_germany_1910/flensburg_environs_1910.jpg

That's Flensburg in 1910. You can see it in the lefthand corner.

[Othniel]

Here's a closer look:

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/baedeker_n_germany_1910/flensburg_1910.jpg

[perdedor99]

Moderators need a ruling:

On a savanna in Africa. A cohort of Drakans will be facing over a thousand sreaming Masai warriors coming on their direction. They are on a defensive square with their support weapons being placed forward[1]. They are armed with the R-4 rifle, a 10 round bolt action detachable magazine rifle akin to the Lee-metford but smokeless powder. In total 330 riflemen, 60 female auxiliaries armed with revolvers and 60 unarmed serfs. Also on hand 80 crewmen for the heavy weapons armed with revolvers also.

The enemy is armed with spears and an assortment of weapons like swords acquired thru trade with the arabs from the coast and mazes for example.

How badly they will be defeated? or i will suffer Custer last stand on the savanna?

[1] 10 gatling guns and 6 75mm rapid fire guns loaded with canister.

[Glen]

Not sure if this is the right place for this but...

I need a ruling on the success or failure of Don Cortez's expedition into the 1400 region of Mexico.

He has about 100 men and an interpreter. They are on horseback, carrying the equivalent of Colt peacemakers, winchester rifles, shotguns. They also have some dynamite. Many have bowie knives. Don Cortez himself has a sword as well.

Don Cortez plan is to emulate his namesake, rallying local tribes to his cause and taking Mexico City (forget the Aztec name at present). He might imply something about Quetzlcoatl to increase his odds.

So how do my would-be conquistadors fare?

[Bulgaroktonos]

Moderators need a ruling:

On a savanna in Africa. A cohort of Drakans will be facing over a thousand sreaming Masai warriors coming on their direction. They are on a defensive square with their support weapons being placed forward[1]. They are armed with the R-4 rifle, a 10 round bolt action detachable magazine rifle akin to the Lee-metford but smokeless powder. In total 330 riflemen, 60 female auxiliaries armed with revolvers and 60 unarmed serfs. Also on hand 80 crewmen for the heavy weapons armed with revolvers also.

The enemy is armed with spears and an assortment of weapons like swords acquired thru trade with the arabs from the coast and mazes for example.

How badly they will be defeated? or i will suffer Custer last stand on the savanna?

[1] 10 gatling guns and 6 75mm rapid fire guns loaded with canister.

I'm going to say you take maybe 5 or 6 casualties, to heat exhaustion, and inflict about 100 on the Masai. The Masai are not renowned for being stout warriors. They are used to fighting against other African tribes. You are in a relatively solid formation, so your firepower can be brought to bear. If you had separated yourself, I say your guys are going to be massacred a la Isandhlwana.

The Masai, lacking discipline, training, and experience against guns, will flee after the first few volleys send hundreds of warriors down. If you want to ride them down as they flee, then of course start upping the casualties as you see fit. Though I wouldn't go higher than say 500

[Bulgaroktonos]

Not sure if this is the right place for this but...

I need a ruling on the success or failure of Don Cortez's expedition into the 1400 region of Mexico.

He has about 100 men and an interpreter. They are on horseback, carrying the equivalent of Colt peacemakers, winchester rifles, shotguns. They also have some dynamite. Many have bowie knives. Don Cortez himself has a sword as well.

Don Cortez plan is to emulate his namesake, rallying local tribes to his cause and taking Mexico City (forget the Aztec name at present). He might imply something about Quetzlcoatl to increase his odds.

So how do my would-be conquistadors fare?

Incredibly successful, for at least a few months. Perhaps he meets a similar fate than Cortez almost did, if anybody in his group dies of something. Other than that, everybody is going to be terrified of him.

[Othniel]

Moderators need a ruling:

On a savanna in Africa. A cohort of Drakans will be facing over a thousand sreaming Masai warriors coming on their direction. They are on a defensive square with their support weapons being placed forward[1]. They are armed with the R-4 rifle, a 10 round bolt action detachable magazine rifle akin to the Lee-metford but smokeless powder. In total 330 riflemen, 60 female auxiliaries armed with revolvers and 60 unarmed serfs. Also on hand 80 crewmen for the heavy weapons armed with revolvers also.

The enemy is armed with spears and an assortment of weapons like swords acquired thru trade with the arabs from the coast and mazes for example.

How badly they will be defeated? or i will suffer Custer last stand on the savanna?

[1] 10 gatling guns and 6 75mm rapid fire guns loaded with canister.

How the heck are you in the Savanna?

[perdedor99]

How the heck are you in the Savanna?
Tanganika is savanna country. Katanga is jungle.

[Condottiero]

Five line ships (Napoleonic with 74 guns) are going to find the Karelian ship going to Copenhagen.

The Caliphal army is advancing to Schleswig:


20,000 infantry men
100 guns
3,000 riders (like the ones they sent before)
5 Steam tanks (armoured, with one repeating musket and one greek-fire thrower)

They will be supported from the sea by a couple of line ships (74 guns)

[Bulgaroktonos]

What kind of ship is coming through the straits?

Well, Condi, even assuming its a coastal battleship, since it's ironclad expect to get a beating. Imajin hasn't posted a similar class so I can figure out ranges and such. Your ships are unlikely to be able to even penetrate his hull, as they are antiquated guns.

Now, I doubt Imajin's boat is going to be on high alert, and will certainly not be expecting an attack, so you might get the first shot in. However, unless the entire crew is outside on deck, that won't save you. Even if you destroy a few rooms, once battle stations are reached, your ships are going to be blown out of the water in moments.

If he is expecting resistence, then he will probably blow a few ships out of the water from well beyond your range, and your other boats will flee. I just have to wait for Imajin to send me some stats on his ship.

[Condottiero]

They'll have an honourable death, I suppose... As for the ship the Karelians are sending I do not know what class is it, gunnery, nor armour. If it is lightly armoured maybe the action of more than one hundred guns firing simultaneously make them retreat. :rolleyes:

[Othniel]

I'm attempting to intercept those two boats sent for the Netherlands. When they see the flag they'll blow up one and try and board the other.

[Matt]

My on;y comment on your sutff p99, is that is an awful lot of heavy weapons for such a small group. It would seriously slow down such an expeditation.

[perdedor99]

My on;y comment on your sutff p99, is that is an awful lot of heavy weapons for such a small group. It would seriously slow down such an expeditation.

they are taking their time. Securing small sections at a time. Them another ciliharch follows, followed by another one, them another, them the Merarch support units. This process is repeated by the other merarchies in the Legion and then a Janissary Legion is taking care of the construction of railroads. I know, a slow process but they are methodical the Draka are. Damn sounded like Yoda. :D

[Condottiero]

Some comments about my Skandistanian moves..?

[Bulgaroktonos]

Well, Othniel hasn't put up any defensive plans yet, but since you took Flenberg, I wouldn't say there is likely to be much resistence at least up to Schleswig. Othniel will probably go with a defense in depth, and will likely be reserving his troops so as to strike at you when you are further inside Germany.

[Othniel]

I said I was sending 5 ships to intercept those heading for the Netherlands. Going to blow up one of them, and try to capture the other. Also I'm going to attempt to blockade the strait.

[Condottiero]

Oldenburg-Skandistan border
April, 19

The Caliph could not understand it. From where had the Romans obtained all these weapons? The unexpected presence of hostile forces in Flens-barga and the formidable resistance so few men had opposed was something unseen. There were even some advisors that suggested that the intense Aurora Borealis of the night previous to the attack and the odd machines found in the Caliphal palace in al-Qobenaqa had something to do.

The Emir of Sonder-barga pointed to the map. "One squadron of raiders had burned the villages of Leck, Moordeich, Hadtstedtermarsch and Ohrstedt" he used the names they had found written in latin characters in this villages that in their maps had arabic names or did not exist at all "other squadron burned Glücksburg, Schnabe and Kappeln, while the main army[1] is besieging Schleswig where it has got stuck". He was not sure about mentioning the casualties taken in the two assaults that had been attempted. "Smaller forces were sent to block Husum [2], Ohrstedt[3] and Neubörm [4], but..." The Caliph was not happy, he looked at Admiral Akhbar[5] who lowered his big eyes. "What about our glorious navy?". Akhbar looked at his Caliph and said. "The 'Medina' and the 'Ifriqiya' were lost while bombing Kappeln in support to the cavalry squadron, they were surprised by an enemy iron ship..." The Caliph was surprised by this piece of information "Do the Romans and their allies have Galeasses?" "In fact it was something better armoured than a galeass. Another of this iron ships was attacked by our baltic fleet and sunk five of them before retreating with some damages"."Some damages! After sinking five ships of five! What about the couriers sent to the West?".*
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[1] 20,000 infantry men, 100 guns, 3000 riders (like the ones they sent before) and 5 Steam tanks (armoured, with one repeating musket and one greek-fire thrower)
[2] 2000 infantrymen, 200 cavalrymen, 4 guns and 4 repeating muskets
[3] 1000 infantrymen, 100 cavalrymen, 2 guns and 2 repeating muskets
[4] 1000 infantrymen, 300 cavalrymen, 2 guns
[5] I could not resist doing it ;-)

[Othniel]

I plan to attempt to counter and Tonning, Erfderfield, the strip of land between Ahlefield and Gettorf, as well as Swabe and Dammstedt. Troops are too be strong in the places just mentioned.

[Condottiero]

How many troops do you have in Schleswig?

[Othniel]

How many troops do you have in Schleswig?
Doesn't matter. I've had enough time to fortfy theese towns from anywhere in Oldenburg I'll come up with troop totals when I wake up. Its 2 am, and I'm not in the mood to think too deeply.

[Glen]

Battle Dispositions for the Invasions of the Empire of the Midnight Sun:

About 30% of the Empire's Army and Navy are invading South America. They are concentrating on landings in the area of Buenos Aires and up the La Plata River. They will spread out from there as able to take the Pampas. They will try to destroy all fortifications, towns, and cities they come across, but basically enslave with minimal damage the rural areas.

In South Africa, 40% of the Empire's Army and 25% of their Navy are making multiple landings along the Cape coast, slightly more on the Eastern side than the West. They will primarily seek out the population and armed forces of the area and seek to destroy them as a military force and enslave any survivors. Note that many of the Janissaries and other Serfs will recognize symbols used by the Devotional Units and may suffer panic. The Draka can torture and kill them, but these enemies promise to destroy their very souls. A small force will detach itself and take Madagascar.

In the area of Australia and New Gotland, there are 20% of Empire's Army and 35% of the Navy. They will attack Tasmania, Perth, and the Southeast coast (particularly the ports) of Australia. A smaller force will also attack New Gotland (both colonies).

10% of the Imperial forces both Army and Navy will remain in reserve in Antarctica.

[Glen]

Oh, a couple other points.

Advance teams of Thuggee commandos will try to cut the telegraph lines to disrupt communications.

Of course, this will not effect the ASB provided International Rooms at all<g>.

Troops once the landings occur will also seek to capture Railway trains and stations to facilitate their spread from the initial landings.

[Bulgaroktonos]

Sydney will immediately be putting their squadron on high alert and deploying. They will most likely encounter the Empire's detachment.

In the Squadron they have

HMS Lord Clyde (Ironclad)
HMS Bellerophon (Ironclad)
HMS Algerine (Torpedo Gunboat)
HMS Rambler (Torpedo Gunboat)
HMS Coquette (Torpedo Gunboat)
HMS Decoy (Torpedo Gunboat)
HMS Thalia (Corvette)
HMS Volage (Corvette)
HMS Sultan (pre-dread)

[Matt]

Navy Department Orders:

The following Squadrons are hearby ordered to relocate to Charleston, South Carolina, post haste.

Battleship Squadron 1-New York, New York

USS Iowa(B-4)
USS New Jersey(B-5)
USS Pennsylvania(B-6)
USS Minnesota(B-7)
USS South Carolina(B-8)
USS Tennesee(B-9)

Battleship Squadron 2-San Fransico, CA

USS Indiana(B-1)
USS Massachusetts(B-2)
USS Oregon(B-3)

Cruiser Squadron 1 Norfolk, VA
USS Olypmia(C-14)
USS New Haven(C-10)
USS Santa Fe(C-11)
USS Chicago(C-6)
USS San Fransico(C-12)
USS Baltimore(C-3)

Cruiser Squadron 2 Boston, MA

USS Milwaukee(C-13)
USS Providence(C-9)
USS Denver(C-7)
USS Boston(C-5)

Cruiser Squadron 3 San Fransico, CA

USS Colombia (C-18)
USS Cinncinnati(C-17)
USS Atlanta(C-4)
USS Newark(C-1)

Crusier Squadron 4 Mobile Bay, AL

USS Charleston(C-2)
USS Philidelphia(C-8)
USS Trenton(C-15)
USS Minneapolis(C-19)

Patrol Squadron 1 Boston, MA

USS Maine
USS California
USS Texas
USS Delaware
USS Abraham Lincoln
USS Raliegh
USS Montery
USS Marblehead
USS Galveston
USS Pittsburg
USS Savannah
USS Bowling Green

Patrol Squadron 2 San Fransico, CA

USS Utah
USS Michigan
USS Virgina
USS Vermont
USS Denver
USS Detriot
USS Des Moines
USS Cleveland
USS Nashville
USS Richmond

You are hearby authorized to take on all needed provisions. Shore leaves are cancelled.

[Glen]

Sydney will immediately be putting their squadron on high alert and deploying. They will most likely encounter the Empire's detachment.

In the Squadron they have

HMS Lord Clyde (Ironclad)
HMS Bellerophon (Ironclad)
HMS Algerine (Torpedo Gunboat)
HMS Rambler (Torpedo Gunboat)
HMS Coquette (Torpedo Gunboat)
HMS Decoy (Torpedo Gunboat)
HMS Thalia (Corvette)
HMS Volage (Corvette)
HMS Sultan (pre-dread)

We sent about 40% of the Fleet to secure the region, so we have a lot of ships. None of them will be coastal defense types. Figure mostly Pre-dread Battleships and cruisers, some older ships going for the smaller ports.

I'd guess that if this is what you have in Sydney, they are going to be fighting out of weight and outnumbered. The HMS Sultan might give as good as she gets. MBarry and you can figure numbers, being our resident 19th Century naval gurus.

[Condottiero]

Forces that will face the Empire of Midnight Sun invassion:

Pampa Region:
Two Cavalry Divisions scattered in small forts of one regiment (1000 riders) and some of 5 regiments (4000 riders + 1 mounted artillery regiment) Total 28,000 riders
One Line Infantry in Viedma Total 14,000 infantrymen
One Auxiliary Indian Infantry Rgt.: Patagon Total 2,500 infantrymen, 500 horsemen

Punta Arenas base:
One Marines regiment Total 1,500 men
Protected cruiser "Parlamento"
Armoured frigate "Buenos Aires"
Submarines “Narval”, “Marsopa”, “Manati”
5 destroyer class boats

Fortifications: small brick forts for the cavalry and heavy fortifications in Viedma. Viedma is a supprort base for the ships based in the Malvines and Punta Arenas.


Buenos Aires Region:
One Line Infantry Total 14,000 infantrymen
Two marines regiments Total 3,000 men

Heavy fortifications around the Capital. In case of total war against Brazil it was considered that the soft point of the border was the Sacramento (OTL Uruguay) region and that it was possible for a brazilian army to arrive to the capital.

Uruguay Region:
One Cavalry Division Total 14,000 riders
One Line Infantry Total 14,000 infantrymen
One Auxiliary Indian Infantry Regt.: Guaraní Total 2,500 infantrymen, 500 horsemen

Fleet: Pre-dreads "Hambre" and "Peste"
Protected cruisers: "Progreso" and "Igualdad"
Ram-monitors: "Toro" and "Búfalo"
Submarines "Sombra" and "Sigilo"
6 Destroyer class boats

Heavy fortifications around Montevideo and the Platense-Brazilian area. The port of Montevideo is the main base of the Platense Navy.

Malvinas Islands:
One marines regiment Total 1,500 men
Armoured cruiser "Almirante Martinez"
Protected Cruisers "Unicornio", "Grifo", "Mantícora",
5 destroyer class boats

Small naval fortifications.

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I suppose the first ones to see the Empire's fleet will be the Punta Arenas Squadron. The submarines will be too slow and unless the Empire tries something against Punta Arenas they will see no action. The Imperial Fleet will be harassed with the ultra-heavy guns (430 mm) of the "Parlamento" that will be covered in short range by the 200mm guns of the "Buenos Aires" and the torpedoes of the destroyers. They will not risk a full combat and will harass from distance.

The next ones to enter action could be the Malvinas Squadron. This one can be more aggresive. They will attack with the heavy guns (also 430mm guns) of the "Almirante Martinez" but the heavy guns of the Protected Cruisers "Unicornio", "Grifo" and "Mantícora" can also help. The 5 destroyer class boats will provide close range support with torpedoes.

Finally if they plan to attack Buenos Aires region they will have to defeat first the fleet in Montevideo. This will be really thougher for the Imperial Fleet as they will have to face the 470mm guns of the pre-dreads "Hambre" and "Peste" (the two original Caio Duilio class pre-dreads were considered to be the stronger ships of their age and capable of sinking the whole U.S. Navy of the era), they will be supported by the Protected cruisers "Progreso" and "Igualdad" and on close range by the Ram-monitors "Toro" and "Búfalo" (equipped with rams and five submerged torpedo tubes), the Submarines "Sombra" and "Sigilo" (which will be in an ideal situation to make a lot of damage as they will be able to come back to base to reload) and 6 Destroyer class boats. All of them supported by naval guns from the coast.

[Othniel]

Three infantry divisions under Major General Huevaro, each having 3 brigades of 600 men a piece, and an artillery regiment containing one 33-BO for every 3 normal artillary pieces. (no gatlings) Thats 7,200 extra men. No calvary Squadrans for now. Along with them is 250 decoys.

A support auxiary will follow in three days. Continious resupplying of troops will happen every 12 hours after that via railroads. All weapons the Mauribasillians own are equivalant to the US in 1873, except for gatlings.

I'm trying to figure out the naval list right now...

[Galbatorix]

the persian fleet on Mozambique formed by the protected cruiser INS Khosrou (Charleston-class, posted by mbarry), the frigates INS Van, INS Qetta, INS Ormuz and INS Tikrit (novara-class posted b ycodotiero) will move to attack the mpire of the sun's fleet in south africa.

please post what drakan units are there and what empire units we are facing.

[Glen]

Mods: You know how many troops total I want to feed into the various theatres. Can you tell me how fast I can feed bodies into the fight?

I'll try and work up some ship stats shortly. If Bulg or MBarry would like to make any guestimates in the meantime based on what I've already posted, I'd be fine with that.

[Glen]

Okay, I am still working on exact dispositions, but roughly figure that the following battleships and cruisers will be in the respective theatres.

A note on the nomenclature. IMS stands for Imperial Midnight Ship (or Sun). The name listed is not the actual name of the ship, but corresponds to the rough RN analogue class of that ship. The Roman number indicates order built within that class. A Midnighter analogue to a RN class will in general be faster but less armored, so they could outrun their analogue, but would likely be beaten in a 1-to-1 fight with that analogue (though they might get a draw in some cases, with both ships sinking). I would guess that they would fall between their RN analogue and the class before it in terms of overall combat effectiveness. Bulg, feel free to suggest alterations to these numbers. There are also a number of other ships in these flotillas, especially torpedo boats, but I haven't got those numbers right yet.

Oh, and Bulg, how many pocket battleships, do you think, with each fleet?

Australasian Theatre -

Predreadnought Battleships:

IMS Monarch I
IMS Cerebus I
IMS Cerebus III
IMS Audacious III
IMS Audacious VI
IMS Swiftsure II
IMS Devastation II
IMS Belleisle I
IMS Superb II
IMS Ajax I
IMS Collossus II
IMS Admiral I
IMS Admiral IV
IMS Victoria I
IMS Victoria II
IMS Trafalgar II

Cruisers:

IMS Nelson II
IMS Emerald III
IMS Emerald VI
IMS Leander III
IMS Leander VI
IMS Mersey III
IMS Surprise II
IMS Barracouta I
IMS Barracouta IV
IMS Imperieuse II
IMS Barhan I

And a comparable amount of smaller ships....

African Theatre -

Predreadnought Battleships:

IMS Audacious I
IMS Audacious IV
IMS Audacious VII
IMS Swiftsure III
IMS Devastation III
IMS Belleisle II
IMS Superb III
IMS Ajax II
IMS Conqueror I
IMS Admiral II
IMS Admiral V

Cruisers:

IMS Nelson I
IMS Emerald II
IMS Emerald V
IMS Leander II
IMS Leander V
IMS Mersey II
IMS Surprise I
IMS Scout II
IMS Barracouta III

And a comparable amount of smaller ships....

Latin American Theatre -

Predreadnought Battleships:

IMS Cerebus II
IMS Audacious II
IMS Audacious V
IMS Swiftsure I
IMS Devastation I
IMS Devastation IV
IMS Superb I
IMS Collossus I
IMS Conqueror II
IMS Admiral III
IMS Admiral VI
IMS Trafalgar I

Cruisers:

IMS Shannon I
IMS Emerald I
IMS Leander I
IMS Leander IV
IMS Mersey I
IMS Mersey IV
IMS Scout I
IMS Barracouta II
IMS Imperieuse I

And a comparable number of smaller ships....

To be continued....

[Glen]

The La Plata invasion will likely land South of Buenos Aires to start with. The navy will follow in support along the coast and into the La Plata river entrance. You are right, there will be a big naval and land battle in the approaches and areas surrounding Buenos Aires.

In addition, troops will be moving out over the next several days to secure the Pampas region.

Initially, you may have some trouble recruiting your further troops due to telegraph lines being cut.

For now, we are not attacking Patagonia. It was decided the area was too desolate, and the Pampas would be a richer target.

[perdedor99]

The Cape Town Drakan Fleet[1] will intercept the enemy fleet before the landings. If they are moving into Cape the plan is to let them come and bog down in the serf quarters until the reinforcement arrive. Initial response will be by militia followed by the Janissary and Citizen Force forces in the area to reduce the size of the beach head to a minimum. By day four close to 10 legions of Janissaries should be near enough to destroy the beach head.

The way I see it the Drakans ideas of putting Africa under the yoke are over. They will be press just to add Katanga and Tanganika to their areas in the near future.


Pretty much the forces advancing into Katanga and Tanganika are being reduced by half and told to return home. The rest will stay in place. The Indian Ocean Fleet[2] with their new Persians friends will be used to attack the enemy fleet detached to Madagascar.

The Atlantic Ocean Fleet[3] based in Luanda will come down as soon as possible.

The Drakan Army will spare 6 Citizen legions to hold their place in the northen borders[4]. 10 Janissary Divisions to hold the interior and five each for the coast. That leave close 43 divisions[5] of janissaries will be available to bear agsint the enemy by the end of the month.

The Citizen Force could only have 2 divisions available and they will be used in the inital defense of Cape Town.


The Special Corps will launch a air raid by 10 airships against the supply line sin the beach head by day three.

My main thrust of attakc will be the beachhead. They can get burn down Cape, at least the serf sections if they want. All they are getting is putting the fear of their brutality on the serfs.

Also the janissaries can look forward to being citizens after 20 years of service. What your nation offers them but serve or die?

[1] one third of the ships in the Drakan Navy post.

[2] one third of the ships in the Drakan Navy post.

[3] one third of the ships on the Drakan Navy post.

[4] they will stay as far into the new territories as possible in secure positions.

[5] We have the forces that were stationed in North Africa close to Archona, so I need the distance the speed of 1886's trains in miles to calculate the arrival of forces to the area from Luanda, Maputo, Archona, Pretoria,etc.
Will try to hold on your advance and them concentrate enough divisions to push away fromthe beaches. Afterwards is just a question of time.

[Bulgaroktonos]

Alright, here's what I'll do. It seems likely that Glen is going to get at least some men onshore. He has the element of surprise, and if he comes in during the early morning, even if the nightwatch is fully alert, they are going to be hard to spot. Thus, I see a naval battle around Cape Town going something like this....

1)Dawn breaks
2)Imperials spotted, Alert sounded
3)Battle stations readied by Cape Town Fleet
4)First wave of landings, almost totally unopposed
5)CTF under steam, Imperial dreadnoughts and cruisers head to fight against incoming CTF
6)Naval Battle begins (outcome TBD)
7)Militia begins to muster and launches sporadic counter attacks
8)Second wave of landings, beach head under fire from some artillery, likely antiquated, brought in for service against invaders. Militia begins coordination with newly arrived regular troops

I'll come up with some kind of outcome using a crude dice w/modifiers set up, and I'll let you know how that comes out momentarily.

Oh, and until further notice, the game should slow to only 1 or 2 days ME Time to every day OT, as this is a momentous event.

[Glen]

Alright, here's what I'll do. It seems likely that Glen is going to get at least some men onshore. He has the element of surprise, and if he comes in during the early morning, even if the nightwatch is fully alert, they are going to be hard to spot. Thus, I see a naval battle around Cape Town going something like this....

1)Dawn breaks
2)Imperials spotted, Alert sounded
3)Battle stations readied by Cape Town Fleet
4)First wave of landings, almost totally unopposed
5)CTF under steam, Imperial dreadnoughts and cruisers head to fight against incoming CTF
6)Naval Battle begins (outcome TBD)
7)Militia begins to muster and launches sporadic counter attacks
8)Second wave of landings, beach head under fire from some artillery, likely antiquated, brought in for service against invaders. Militia begins coordination with newly arrived regular troops

I'll come up with some kind of outcome using a crude dice w/modifiers set up, and I'll let you know how that comes out momentarily.

Oh, and until further notice, the game should slow to only 1 or 2 days ME Time to every day OT, as this is a momentous event.

This sounds like a reasonable flow to me. Something similar should probably be set up for La Plata.

I would go one step further and suggest that the days should flow according to the mod decisions until for the first several days of fighting. IE, as you decide what the first results are, we respond and then the clock advances as you decide the next, and so on. At least until we have the pitched battles decided that are now ongoing.

"That Bloody Easter Sunday seemed to go on forever, as if days were hours...."

[perdedor99]

distance from Archona to Cape Town 784 miles[31 hours by train]
distance from Maputo to Cape Town 1,340 [54 hours by train]
distance from Luanda to Cape Town 1,680 [67 hours on a train]
distance from Natal province to Cape Town 637 miles[26 hours by train]
distance from border of the Cape Province to the city [6 hours by train, a day in force march.]

train systems will be hard press but eventually a bunch of forces will attack that beachhead.

My forces will be press the first day but by day five we will have superiority in numbers and I feel sorry for the prisioners. Because we will take prisioners. We will enjoy carving them in front of their serfs.

[Bulgaroktonos]

Alright, based on a crude system based on relative defense ratings and penetrating power, and a equitable exchange of fire based on a reasonably assumed strategy for both sides, decided by the roll of a die, the results of the naval engagment are as follows.

Damaged Ships
Drakan Ships
1 Ferguson Class Pre-dread (minor damage to main battery)
1 Broadsword Class Protected Cruiser

Imperial Ships
1 "Superb" Class Pre-Dread
1 "Ajax" Class Pre-Dread
2 "Audacious" Class Pre-dreads
1 Leander Cruiser

Destroyed Ships
Drakan Ships
3 Ferguson Class Pre-dreads
1 Cape Town Class Pre-dread
1 Zulu Class Armored Cruiser

Imperial Ships
1 "Audacious" Class Pre-dread
1 "Swiftsure" Class Pre-dread
1 "Devastation" Class Pre-dread
2 "Emerald" Cruisers

Overall, it is a pretty even distribution. Both have lost 5 ships. However, Draka's Cape Town fleet has lost 4 pre-dreads and had one damaged, leaving none fully fit for duty in the waters immediately around Cape Town. P99 declared that in this event, he would withdraw.

In total, the battle was about 50 rounds long or so, with most of the gunnery being done by the pre-dreads. Given Draka's inferiority of ships, I felt that they would desire to remain further back, given the superior range of their guns in the Ferguson class battleships, forcing the Imperials to close before opening fire. However, the die rolls did not work in either favor. Both sides incurred the most damage during the opening phases of the battle, with all three of the "Audacious" class ships being hit within a few rounds of each other, and 2 Ferguson class ships being destroyed in that same period. The "Superb" upon the Imperial side was a decisive factor, being the best ship in the engagement. It managed to sink two of the pre-dreadnoughts (due some incredible die rolls), in two rounds.

Thus, given the long range nature of the fighting until the later rounds, the battle was almost exclusively limited to pre-dread fighting, at which point the escorts fled with the remaining pre-dreads in the Drakan fleet.

I weep to think of any Draka sailors picked up from the ocean....if the Great Whites don't get them first..... :(

[Matt]

With these result in I'll post the results of the first week of fighting on the continent. Thats how I'll handle any large scale fighting from here on out.

[Condottiero]

I am eager to see the results in La Plata. I think the estimation for my troops in Paraguay region to arrive in one week is right as they'll have to walk-ride to the nearest railway station (it is a swamp and jungle area).

By the way New Caledonia is Platense territory. There is a fleet squadron there...

[perdedor99]

what about the attack to Madagascar? is that attack cancelled due to losses in the Aztec fleet? They suffered some heavy losses themselves and while they have the naval superiority right now in the Cape Town area, IMO they should can the whole Madagascar invasion idea.

[Glen]

what about the attack to Madagascar? is that attack cancelled due to losses in the Aztec fleet? They suffered some heavy losses themselves and while they have the naval superiority right now in the Cape Town area, IMO they should can the whole Madagascar invasion idea.

It is so sweet of you to give me advice! ;) And I agree. I think they will put on hold the Madagascar invasion.

[perdedor99]

It is so sweet of you to give me advice! ;) And I agree. I think they will put on hold the Madagascar invasion.

hey, no problem. Just that my Indian Ocean Fleet them moves straight to Cape Town with the Persians in tow. I will wait in the Natal area until the arrival of the Atlantic fleet from Luanda instead of attacking the landings in Madagascar. Them we will have a new round. Second Battle of Cape Town? After my casualties I still have 13 pre-dread coming your way plus a Persian ship in tow.

The problem is how your forces in Antartica will have a hard time figuring out the casualties. It will take at least close to a week just to arrive there. Them to turn around and come back close to another week. By them it could be too late.

Just finish calculating the time that fleets will take to arrive to the Cape area. Both fleets should arrive to the area three to four days after order to sail was given. Of course for rest and preparations I say by day seven we will contest the area again. We have the persians in tow. And the days in between will be to coordinate by telegraph the operations. You will have two forces coming from different sides with close to equal numbers but the one coming from the Indian Ocean with an extra cruiser[the persian one]. i will be leaving a couple of protected cruisers in each base. Two in Luanda and two in Zanzibar.

[Bulgaroktonos]

Results of the battle at Punta Arenas are in. It has been a crushing victory for the Imperials.

The initial stages of hte battle went in favor of the Platanese. The Cruiser Parlemento was able to sink 1 pre-dreadnought and damage another. The Buenos Aires also inflicted damage on two cruisers.

Numbers were decisive. Once the Imperials could bring their numbers to bear, they rapidly began wiping out the Platanese. One round saw the Parlamento hit twice from the Superb class and the Admiral class, crippling her. It was sunk the next round.

The Conqueror and Colossus class sank the Buenos Aires, and as the smaller ships closed, the Platanese were simply unable to keep up a rate of fire that would out balance it.

Damaged Ships
Platanese
None

Imperials
"Shannon" Cruiser
1 "Leander" Cruiser

Destroyed Ships
Platanese
Parlamento
Buenos Aires
2 Torpedo Boat Destroyers

Imperials
1 "Audacious" Class pre-dread
1 "Leander" Class Cruiser

After the crippling losses of the Buenos Aires and Parlamento, I decided that the destroyers would cut and run.

The Imperial fleet would keep steaming on, to encounter the Fleet at Buenos Aires, however, pending developments on this, I will hold off on the decision of that battle.

[Lauranthalas]

Russian Battle over Ismail, Moldavia

on April 23rd

Russia attacked with: 30th, 31st and 32nd Inf. Div, 40th, 41st and 42nd Cav. Div. and 40th, 41st and 42nd Art. Div = 33,000 men (30,000 inf., 2,250 cav., 750 art)

fought a main battle against moldavian army. trapped moldavians --> absolute slaughter. 59 casualties, 83 wounded

then streetfighting against resistance
still on going from house to house
there casualties will be 264, 484 wounded

so overall: 323 casualties and 567 wounded

King forced to sign papers of Russian annexation. afterwards killed with all his family, Generals and ministers

annexation will be declared on May 2nd

[Bulgaroktonos]

Alright, as for the Fighting going on in Oldenburg-Skandistan....

I would determine that Othniel has not yet fully mobilized or managed to organize a full defense. Thus, with the plan he outlined, I believe that it is highly likely that much of Schleissweg has been or will be lost during the opening weeks of the battle. By April 30th, I believe that Othniel may be able to begin resisting the invasion from Skandistan, especially if he fails to commit his troops to piecemeal counter attacks, and sticks to a defensive line where he has drawn it.

[Imajin]

I should note that Skandistan is about to get attacked by Karelia. How long would the fleet from the Aland Islands take to get to Copenhagen?

[perdedor99]

I should note that Skandistan is about to get attacked by Karelia. How long would the fleet from the Aland Islands take to get to Copenhagen?

get me the speed of your ships and can calculate the time by the distance

[Imajin]

get me the speed of your ships and can calculate the time by the distance
Is something around 8-12 knots reasonable, or is it too slow?

[perdedor99]

Is something around 8-12 knots reasonable, or is it too slow?

less than a day.

[Othniel]

Alright, as for the Fighting going on in Oldenburg-Skandistan....

I would determine that Othniel has not yet fully mobilized or managed to organize a full defense. Thus, with the plan he outlined, I believe that it is highly likely that much of Schleissweg has been or will be lost during the opening weeks of the battle. By April 30th, I believe that Othniel may be able to begin resisting the invasion from Skandistan, especially if he fails to commit his troops to piecemeal counter attacks, and sticks to a defensive line where he has drawn it.
Attrtion. I'm defending my flanks and leaving the center ungaurded. Also my troops and supply lines are building up. Give me a second and I'll tell you where my fleet will go.

[Imajin]

Hey, is al-Qobenaya Copenhagen, or some other city?

[Othniel]

The Ostren Baltic Fleet leaves for Copenhagen, it includes:

Saar
Kiel
Freyr
Frigga
Brunhild
Magni
Embla
Elivagar
Niflheim

Die Nordmare Fleet has departed for the Oldenburg-Skadinstan boarder, it has in it:

Loki
Skadi
Nanna
Seigfriad
Njord
Vigrid
Bil

They're leaving at a quater speed.

[Imajin]

Will the Baltic Fleet help the Ahvenanmaa fleet attacking Copenhagen? Hm..

[Othniel]

Hold them in fear...lol

[perdedor99]

just noticed something. The Empire of the Midnight Sun only have 4 pre-dreadnaughts and 4 cruisers defending their homeland. That's 10% of their fleet if you count the total number of ships on his post and get the ten percent of that number. But I can see taking Antartica will not be easy. No nation in Mosaic earth have the capabilities to land an invasion force in their home turf until a long while.

[Matt]

Situation at the End of Day 1 in Cape Town.

[Glen]

Cool Map, MBarry! Thanks.

[Bulgaroktonos]

So, MBarry, what are you thinking should be the number of troops disembarked daily?

Further, it should be noted that apparently, the course taken by Glen's fleets would lead him to attack Buenos Aires first. Thus, the battle around Punta Arenas is to be put on hold until further notice. I will have the results for the battle of La Plata tomorrow morning.

[Condottiero]

Five galeasses plus the batteries of the port are going to face the Karelian fleet.
Just don't destroy those marvellous mosques and medersas!

[Othniel]

Five galeasses plus the batteries of the port are going to face the Karelian fleet.
Just don't destroy those marvellous mosques and medersas!
And the Oldenburg fleet coming to join it in five hours?

[Condottiero]

I am waiting for the La Plata mouth battle... :(

What land forces and where are they landing? I was going to write something about the land combats. I was planning to create some irregular gaucho forces to face the invaders... just imagine them riding with their boleadoras, revolvers and big knives.

Are the imperials going to have cavalry, elephants in the first waves?

What happened to the submarines in Punta Arenas? If the port was captured the submarines would have been sunken on purpose... on time?

[Galbatorix]

?who own the Mecca region? the persians are sending an occupation/liberation army.

[Bulgaroktonos]

The Punta Arenas battle is put on hold until further notice. It might not even end up happening.

I'll have the La Plata battle up in a second.

Also, the list of ships in Mombasa heading to aid the Drakan fleet is as follows

HMS Camperdown
HMS Sans Pareil
HMS Captain
HMS Mosquito
HMS Swinger
HMS Zephyr
HMS Wasp
HMS Wrangler
HMS Calypso
HMS Calliope
HMS Alacrity

[Bulgaroktonos]

As for the rail attacks, How many carts went off to do so? Given the state of most rail stations, it would be very difficult to achieve good recon, especially with the state of things. I don't think you are going to be able to do much about switched tracks, as you probably won't be able to effectively locate them.

I also think it will be a relatively difficult thing to coordinate them all. I'd say you'd get in a good solid 10 or 15 before the Draka catch on. Initially, the thought is likely to be that the cars are simply Draka escaping the city. Then they will explode. It will take a little while for them to realize exactly what is happening, when various places start sending word that rail cars are exploding. Once that happens, you can expect the Draka to do something ot counter it, like putting rocks ont he tracks or logs to derail them. Some will work, some will fail, as the Draka cannot know where the rail line is going to be blown. So how many do you launch in total Glen?

As for the snipers....I don't think you are going to catch and kill all of them. This is a suprise attack. The chaos level is going to be high. Most non-combatants will have fled. All combatants will be consolidating their forces. Thus, the snipers have the advantage as there is little population running about in these ruins/abandoned buildings to spot them. You will inevitably catch some, especially once they start shooting at the repair teams. You can just call artillery down on them.

They won't be a strategy breaking weapon, but more of a harassment force.

As for incendiaries, they will have a mixed effect. Mostly, the explosions from them will do the most damage, and if they manage to actually penetrate at all, then they will likely burn a few buildings down, or at least their rafters and support beams. It won't be a Great London Fire, but expect a few blocks to burn, just on bad luck, old buildings, and wooden interiors.

[Lauranthalas]

May 1st departures of troops from the Empire of All Russias

basically:
Minsk:
39th, 40th and 41st Inf Div; 51st, 52nd and 53rd Cav Div; 51st, 52nd and 53rd Art. Div (30,000 Inf., 2,250 Cav., 750 Art = 33,000 men)
are leaving Minsk towards Krakow

Kiev:
33rd Inf Div, 43rd Cav Div and 43rd Art Div are leaving Kiev towards Ismail to stabilize the City and surrounding areas (10,000 Inf, 750 Cav, 250 Art = 11,000 men)

Ismail:
30th, 31st and 32nd Inf Div; 40th, 41st and 42nd Cav Div; 40th, 41st and 42nd Art Div (29,110 Inf., 2,250 Cav., 750 Art = 32,110 men) will leave towards Brasov (Capital of Wallachia) when troops from Kiev arrive

[Bulgaroktonos]

Alright. La Plata is in. I have two results based on a last stand scenario and one in which the Platanese navy retreats. Either way, it is a decisive victory for the Imperials.

Damaged Ships
La Plata
3 Destructor Class Torpedo boat Destroyers

Imperials
1 Meteor Class Cruiser
1 Leander
1 Emerald
1 Superb
1 Admiral (nearly crippled)
1 Conqueror Class
1 Devastation Class

Destroyed
La Plata
Hambre
Peste
Igualdad
Progreso
Toro
Bufalo
2 Destructor Class Destroyers

Imperials
1 Devastation
1 Leander Class Cruiser

Those are the results for the battle if the Platanese decide to retreat up the coast.

If they don't, then they are destroyed to a ship, while killing three more Imperial cruisers

The battle was intially one of a lot of hits, but few kills. It was only in the later stages, when the Platanese ships had incurred a large amount of damage that they finally went under due to massive amounts of fire power coming down on them. Once the Peste was lost, the battle was as good as done, as half of their strongest boats were now gone. Again, as before, the numbers were decisive. Had the Platanese had more boats, the battle could likely have gone the other way.

[perdedor99]

May 1st departures of troops from the Empire of All Russias

basically:
Minsk:
39th, 40th and 41st Inf Div; 51st, 52nd and 53rd Cav Div; 51st, 52nd and 53rd Art. Div (30,000 Inf., 2,250 Cav., 750 Art = 33,000 men)
are leaving Minsk towards Krakow

Kiev:
33rd Inf Div, 43rd Cav Div and 43rd Art Div are leaving Kiev towards Ismail to stabilize the City and surrounding areas (10,000 Inf, 750 Cav, 250 Art = 11,000 men)

Ismail:
30th, 31st and 32nd Inf Div; 40th, 41st and 42nd Cav Div; 40th, 41st and 42nd Art Div (29,110 Inf., 2,250 Cav., 750 Art = 32,110 men) will leave towards Brasov (Capital of Wallachia) when troops from Kiev arrive

If I was Prussia or Austria I start to get nervous.

[Lauranthalas]

If I was Prussia or Austria I start to get nervous.
Prussia is on my side :D

but I'm right now working on the nice aspects of Russia: The Great Mongolian Slaughter comes in a bit

[perdedor99]

Prussia is on my side :D

but I'm right now working on the nice aspects of Russia: The Great Mongolian Slaughter comes in a bit

I guess you guys already divided Poland in some kind of secret meeting. :D

[Lauranthalas]

I guess you guys already divided Poland in some kind of secret meeting. :D

I see GP every single day in school ;D

[Othniel]

I have three ships departing from St. Helena (One is the Assult Boat) for Mauriafrica. They are heading towards Tristan da Cunha under a flag of the Empire of the Midnight Sun (assume I got permssion by the British Empire to dock there in advanced.) 450 Crack Troops will land by nightfall and attack after the fourth volley bombardment.

[Glen]

I have three ships departing from St. Helena (One is the Assult Boat) for Mauriafrica. They are heading towards Tristan da Cunha under a flag of the Empire of the Midnight Sun (assume I got permssion by the British Empire to dock there in advanced.) 450 Crack Troops will land by nightfall and attack after the fourth volley bombardment.

LOL! Are you going to FRAME the Empire of the Midnight Sun for an attack? That is too funny. Which country is this?

[Lauranthalas]

May 1st
1800 Moscow
The Great Advance against the Mongol Empire (Mongolia and great parts of Northern CHina in Russian TL) begins

Tashkent:
Infantry Div's: 61, 62, 63, 64 ,65 (= 50,000 men)
Cav Div's: 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82 (= 4,500 horsemen)
Art Div's: 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82 (= 1,500 men --> 150 Howitzers)
==> 56,000 men

Almaty:
Inf Div's: 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57 (= 60,000 men)
Cav Div's: 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73 (= 6,000 horsemen)
Art Div's: 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73 (= 2,000 men --> 200 Howitzers)
==> 68,000 men

Oskemen:
Inf Div's: 70, 71 (= 20,000 men)
Cav Div's: 88, 89 (= 1,500 horsemen)
Art Div's: 88, 89 (= 500 men --> 50 Howitzers)
==> 22,000 men

Irkutsk:
Inf Div's: 20, 21 (= 20,000 men)
Cav Div's: 24, 25, 26 (= 2,250 horsemen)
Art Div's: 24, 25, 26 (= 750 men --> 75 Howitzers)
==> 23,000 men

Chita:
Inf Div's: 22, 23 (= 20,000 men)
Cav Div's: 27, 28 (= 1,500 horsemen)
Art Div's: 27, 28 (= 500 men --> 50 Howitzers)
==> 22,000 men

over all: 191,000 men (170,000 Inf; 15,750 Cav; 5,250 Art)

[perdedor99]

May 1st
1800 Moscow
The Great Advance against the Mongol Empire (Mongolia and great parts of Northern CHina in Russian TL) begins

Tashkent:
Infantry Div's: 61, 62, 63, 64 ,65 (= 50,000 men)
Cav Div's: 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82 (= 4,500 horsemen)
Art Div's: 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82 (= 1,500 men --> 150 Howitzers)
==> 56,000 men

Almaty:
Inf Div's: 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57 (= 60,000 men)
Cav Div's: 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73 (= 6,000 horsemen)
Art Div's: 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73 (= 2,000 men --> 200 Howitzers)
==> 68,000 men

Oskemen:
Inf Div's: 70, 71 (= 20,000 men)
Cav Div's: 88, 89 (= 1,500 horsemen)
Art Div's: 88, 89 (= 500 men --> 50 Howitzers)
==> 22,000 men

Irkutsk:
Inf Div's: 20, 21 (= 20,000 men)
Cav Div's: 24, 25, 26 (= 2,250 horsemen)
Art Div's: 24, 25, 26 (= 750 men --> 75 Howitzers)
==> 23,000 men

Chita:
Inf Div's: 22, 23 (= 20,000 men)
Cav Div's: 27, 28 (= 1,500 horsemen)
Art Div's: 27, 28 (= 500 men --> 50 Howitzers)
==> 22,000 men

over all: 191,000 men (170,000 Inf; 15,750 Cav; 5,250 Art)
You know how difficult that terrain is? Logistic problems very soon. lucky for you are facing a very primitive enemy. Still your advances only will be stopped by the lack of supplies. and your men are walking. At the most 12 miles a day. Maybe 20 for the cavalry and their horses began to die after a while. You don't have a mechanised army you know.

[Othniel]

LOL! Are you going to FRAME the Empire of the Midnight Sun for an attack? That is too funny. Which country is this?
Acualtly I'm assuming that the Empire of the midnight sun is there... Tristan da Cunha is South of Cape Town. I'm under the assumetion that the Empire of the Midnight Sun already attacked. If we see it under a British Flag we'll stop and change to our normal flag

This is Mauriafrica. We can't be too careful about this but we are going to try and find the enemy. We are assuming that they of the small islands in the Alantic and Indian Ocean...maybe the pacfic as well.

[Lauranthalas]

You know how difficult that terrain is? Logistic problems very soon. lucky for you are facing a very primitive enemy. Still your advances only will be stopped by the lack of supplies. and your men are walking. At the most 12 miles a day. Maybe 20 for the cavalry and their horses began to die after a while. You don't have a mechanised army you know.
I know. I dont need a fast advace I have enough troops and still about 50,000 stationed to support them.

[perdedor99]

I know. I dont need a fast advace I have enough troops and still about 50,000 stationed to support them.

Still it will take awhile to arrive to Beijing. A long while.

[Lauranthalas]

Still it will take awhile to arrive to Beijing. A long while.
I'm not going to beijing. I am taking over Mongolia. The capital is Ulaanbaatar. That is a little south of Irkutsk. So I'm gonna be in an ok time there. The rest is I annex every single "county" when I am there and beijing shall say what they want. If they send their entire army it'll go even faster.

[perdedor99]

I'm not going to beijing. I am taking over Mongolia. The capital is Ulaanbaatar. That is a little south of Irkutsk. So I'm gonna be in an ok time there. The rest is I annex every single "county" when I am there and beijing shall say what they want. If they send their entire army it'll go even faster.

573 miles from Irkutsk. Lets say you are going to a very inhospitable area even in May 1st and I say a week, maybe more.

[Lauranthalas]

573 miles from Irkutsk. Lets say you are going to a very inhospitable area even in May 1st and I say a week, maybe more.
I was calculating 2 weeks because of the hvy artillary over the snowy mountain passes. that will slow me down.

[perdedor99]

I was calculating 2 weeks because of the hvy artillary over the snowy mountain passes. that will slow me down.

agree. You even took into account the snow. I forgot about that.

[Othniel]

It might be slower to transport troops in snow, but it would be easier to artillery. You can sled that type of stuff with the lack of friction it should just slide right through the snow... acualty easier on horses.

[DuQuense]

Of Course the Mongol Housemen with there Hit and run attacks will be no problem. after all your Calvary is as familiar with the terrain as the natives who will be ambushing you.

and it looks like your two western armies are headed into Xinjaing and Tibet. A whole other kind of Problem.

I think it will take closer to a Month and Ullannbatar is a Tent City. They will not wait there for you too come attack.

[Lauranthalas]

Of Course the Mongol Housemen with there Hit and run attacks will be no problem. after all your Calvary is as familiar with the terrain as the natives who will be ambushing you.

and it looks like your two western armies are headed into Xinjaing and Tibet. A whole other kind of Problem.

I think it will take closer to a Month and Ullannbatar is a Tent City. They will not wait there for you too come attack.

as you said yourself my cavalry knows the terrain. they will prosecute the Mongols in their Hit and Run attacks and I have enough horsemen so that the Mongls will have problems with trappig them

Xingjaing and Tibet are the same terrain as my 2 armies are coming from. just a little higher elevation.

Ulaanbaatar may move but they cannot hide. and my army will go more and more south. ant some point they will have to hit them or the Mongols come into chinese territory and piss of the chinese - even better for me since less enemies if my enemies are fighting each other

[Imajin]

Hey, can we get a ruling on the battle of al-Qobenaqa?

Karelian Ships
(Ironclad)
HGS Ahvenanmaa
(Smaller Crusiers)
HGS Bornholm
HGS Andrus I
HGS Andrus II
HGS Andrua III

[Glen]

The New Granada Navy will be sending the following twelve ships (due to our domestic commitments we can't send many, but we are sending some of our best) to rendezvous with the American and British fleets at the Guyana/Brazil border where we can refuel with coal. Thence to Mauribrasil to again top off our fuel supplies, receive fresh intel, and coordinate attacks. There will also be 10,000 New Granadan Royal Marines travelling in transports to Mauribrasil with the flotilla. How they will deploy later will depend on what we hear in terms of intel in Mauribrasil.

Recall that the analogues differ from their OTL versions in that all of them have full turrets, no rigging for sails (steam only to avoid fouling in battle), and the Royal Sovereign analogues already have the ballast keels to avoid tipping in rough weather.

Predreadnought Battleships -

Trafalgar class analogues
NSM Puma
NSM Leon
Royal Sovereign class analogues
NSM Lobo
NSM Zorro
Centurion class analogues
NSM Aguila
NSM Halcon

Cruisers-

Imperieuse class analogues
NSM Cocodrilo
NSM Caiman
Barham Class analogues
NSM Vibora
NSM Anaconda
Pearl Class analogues
NSM Pirhana
NSM Tiburon

[Condottiero]

Alright. La Plata is in. I have two results based on a last stand scenario and one in which the Platanese navy retreats. Either way, it is a decisive victory for the Imperials.

Damaged Ships
La Plata
3 Destructor Class Torpedo boat Destroyers

Imperials
1 Meteor Class Cruiser
1 Leander
1 Emerald
1 Superb
1 Admiral (nearly crippled)
1 Conqueror Class
1 Devastation Class

Destroyed
La Plata
Hambre
Peste
Igualdad
Progreso
Toro
Bufalo
2 Destructor Class Destroyers

Imperials
1 Devastation
1 Leander Class Cruiser

Those are the results for the battle if the Platanese decide to retreat up the coast.

If they don't, then they are destroyed to a ship, while killing three more Imperial cruisers

The battle was intially one of a lot of hits, but few kills. It was only in the later stages, when the Platanese ships had incurred a large amount of damage that they finally went under due to massive amounts of fire power coming down on them. Once the Peste was lost, the battle was as good as done, as half of their strongest boats were now gone. Again, as before, the numbers were decisive. Had the Platanese had more boats, the battle could likely have gone the other way.

Ouch!! My whole Fleet 1 wipped to make so few damage!! Can I ask for a second oppinion?

I suppose I'll have to accept it, but I thought those "Caio Duilio" pre-dreads were a bit harder...

They will not retreat!!

[Bulgaroktonos]

Yeah, Condi, I was watching those results as the die rolls came up and was like ouch. But hey, you at least put most of his big ships out of action for a week or so for repairs.

It wasn't so much that your battleships were weak, it was that they got unlucky......

[Condottiero]

I suppose the Hand of God was not with the Platenses this time... I was going to post the construction planning for the platenses. It was something I wanted to do before, but now. I'll PM to some of you, just to know it is reasonable.

By the way where is he going to have them repaired. I have my Malvinas fleet around and I was thinking that some damaged ships retreating could be a nice prey...

[Bulgaroktonos]

The Mahdi and his army are swooping into Austrian held Sudan. After discovering that the Mahdiyah had seemingly vanished, they post-poned their invasion of lower Africa and returned to secure it.

They are 40,000 strong. About half are hardened veterans of the campaign against Gordon, and many are armed with various models of the Martini-Henry. A lucky few possess Lee-Metfords, but these have limited ammo. However, they are all fanatically brave, and nearly all wield at least a sword or scimitar. Most carry antiquated muskets. There is a significant force of cavalry, but they are ill-disciplined and will not stand up to standard European cavalry for long.

[Galbatorix]

I suppose the Hand of God was not with the Platenses this time... I was going to post the construction planning for the platenses. It was something I wanted to do before, but now. I'll PM to some of you, just to know it is reasonable.

By the way where is he going to have them repaired. I have my Malvinas fleet around and I was thinking that some damaged ships retreating could be a nice prey...
my peruvian fleet can join your fleet in chile and go after the empire fleet in la plata

[Glen]

my peruvian fleet can join your fleet in chile and go after the empire fleet in la plata

It might be faster to go through the canal and then go down with the Americans, Brits, and Granadans.

[Condottiero]

It is a pity my Chilean fleet is already on the move going south in order to cut the Empire's lines.

My plan for them is to merge with the fleet in the Malvinas (if they are there when they arrive in ten days). The three vessels in Colombia will try to get to Montevideo.

What is the situation in the area now. How many Imperial landforces are there?

[Galbatorix]

i think the peruvian fleet can help the towns in the south of argentine. they will go to the Tierra de Fuego base. they carry 4000 marines that can help the argentinians

[Glen]

It is a pity my Chilean fleet is already on the move going south in order to cut the Empire's lines.

My plan for them is to merge with the fleet in the Malvinas (if they are there when they arrive in ten days). The three vessels in Colombia will try to get to Montevideo.

What is the situation in the area now. How many Imperial landforces are there?

Eventually, the total number of troops dedicated to the La Plata campaign are 300,000. They are making their initial landings all along the coast in the Mouth of the La Plata River. The Navy will soften landing positions with naval fire in any areas with artillery while the forces begin to land. Figure about 10,000 per day per port town (is that right, mods?) Unless you have a lot of heavy fortifications, I would expect the fleet to spend only a little time on most of those initial targets, and concentrate instead on the built up positions in Buenos Aires.

Where will I fix my damaged ships...good question. Since the Empire is on a mission of conquest rather than devastation here in La Plata, expect your population to be enslaved should we take the cities, and your naval yards put to work repairing the ships. And there will be some Imperials with cruel knives watching over the new slaves to make certain they don't try anything hinky....

[Lauranthalas]

OK I need Casualties and Wounded for following Battles.

Krakow (Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Kingdom of Poland):
39th, 40th, 41st Infantry Division (30,000 men); 51st, 52nd, 53rd Cavalry Division (2,250 horsmen); 51st, 52nd, 53rd Artillary Division (750 men) are attacking the capital.

Brasov (Principality of Wallachia):
30th, 31st, 32nd Infantry Div (30,000 men); 40th, 41st, 42nd Cavalry Div (2,250 horsemen); 40th, 41st, 42nd Artillary Div (750 men)

Basically: Artillary (75 howitzers each battle) is bombarding enemy in the beginning. When enemy come too close to own troops artillary turns on military targets in or in front of the town. Infantry is waiting for the enemy to attack and shoots anyone coming in range. Cavalry is basically standing around making sure the flanks and back is not getting attacked. Everyone has strict orders to stay out of enemies Artillary range.

(ought to be 1400's enemy so no real problem, my artillary should actually be able to shoot on their artillary without being themselves in range - I think they should be still using Trebauche's and stuff like that)

[Condottiero]

And there will be some Imperials with cruel knives watching over the new slaves to make certain they don't try anything hinky....

I think I must tell you that you are going to find a terrible opposition on this issue by the local Trade Unions. Prepare to face a General Strike in case you try this...


The only towns in the Atlantic coast with shipyard facilities are Viedma in the Patagonia, Buenos Aires and Montevideo. They are the best fortified towns with naval guns and more troops.

I have already posted the amount of troops in each town maybe someone could moderate which ones are being captured and which ones resist.

[Condottiero]

La Plata Region (where the Imperial attack is being concentrated)

Buenos Aires: two marine regts (1,500x2), the presidential guard (500 infantrymen + 500 cavalry), one artillery regiment (20 Gatling MG, 15 light 70mm guns, 15 heavier 97mm guns and 5 heavy 240mm howitzers and two artillery-balloons) and the support regt of the infantry division, approx. eight thousand men. Police forces and armed civilians: 10,000. Shipyard facilities. Coastal artillery: 4x2 345mm guns and 6x2 205mm guns.

Mar de Plata, Lomas de Zamora, Bahía Blanca: each has one infantry regiment (2,000 men). Police forces and armed civilians 1,000 each. Coastal artillery: 1x2 345mm guns and 5x2 205mm guns.

Mar de Ajó, Ostende, Necochea, Miramar and Punta Alta: one infantry regiment (400 men in each of them). Police forces and armed civilians 500 each. Coastal artillery: 1x2 345mm guns and 3x2 205mm guns.

Montevideo: one artillery regiment (20 Gatling MG, 15 light 70mm guns, 15 heavier 97mm guns and 5 heavy 240mm howitzers and two artillery-balloons), two cavalry regiments (2x1,000 men) and two infantry regiments (2,000 men each). Police forces and armed civilians: 6,000. Shipyard facilities. Coastal artillery: 8x2 345mm guns and 12x2 205mm guns.

Sacramento Region (OTL Uruguay) forces, converging in two days: 8 cavalry regiments (8x1,000 men) and 2 light artillery regiments (20 light 70mm guns and 20 Gatling machine-guns each), 3 Line Infantry Regts. (3x2,000 men), 1 aux. Indian Infantry Division (Guarani) (2,500 infantrymen + 500 cavalrymen) and 7,200 mauriafricans.
Armed civilians 10,000 men.
They will arrive to Montevideo in three days.

Chaco Region (OTL Paraguay) forces: One full cavalry division, one full Line infantry Division, one Aux. Indian Division and 5,000 armed civilians. They will arrive to Buenos Aires in six days.

Patagonia Region:

Viedma: two Line Infantry regts (2x2,000 men), one artillery regiment (20 Gatling MG, 15 light 70mm guns, 15 heavier 97mm guns and 5 heavy 240mm howitzers and two artillery-balloons) and the support regt of the infantry division. Shipyard facilities. Coastal artillery: 8x2 345mm guns and 12x2 205mm guns. Police and armed civilians: 5,000 men.

Comodoro Ribadavia: two Line Infantry regts (2x2,000 men). Coastal artillery: 3x2 345mm guns and 6x2 205mm guns. Police and armed civilians: 2,000 men.

There are two full cavalry divisions and one Aux. Indian Infantry Division scattered in the Patagonia Region. They can rally to the coast in two to ten days. The first ones will be around the big towns, they will be increased in a 50% with gaucho volunteers.

Puna Region (OTL Bolivian-Argentinian border)

One Full Mountain Infantry Division, one Aux. Indian Division and 5,000 peruvian infantrymen. Armed civilians: 5,000 they will arrive in eight days.


* * * *

One more thing: Austral winter is coming. Are you sure you will be able to keep the 10,000 men rate? Strong storms in Patagonian coast... I do not think you will be able to land many troops in Viedma or in Commodoro Ribadavia. And I am not sure you will be able to make them arrive on good conditions to La Plata mouth.

[Galbatorix]

i agree with condotiero. the landing will be very difficult due to strong winds and low temperatures. ?is the antartida climate changing or are we have a warm antartida? ?has this altered the level of the sea? i think if the antartida is going to freeze we will have lower level sea

[Glen]

One more thing: Austral winter is coming. Are you sure you will be able to keep the 10,000 men rate? Strong storms in Patagonian coast... I do not think you will be able to land many troops in Viedma or in Commodoro Ribadavia. And I am not sure you will be able to make them arrive on good conditions to La Plata mouth.

Yes, it is coming, but not quite there. We are bypassing the Patagonian coast and will not be landing there. Our plans are to establish ourselves in the Pampas region and march down to Patagonia later at our leisure (of course, the combined forces of the Americas may never give us that leisure). It is relatively unproductive.

We will have to deal with your naval facilities in the South at some point, TBA.

As for those Austral winter storms, As you point out the Winter is coming, but not quite here yet. We will have to let the mods determine weather conditions.

[Glen]

i agree with condotiero. the landing will be very difficult due to strong winds and low temperatures. ?is the antartida climate changing or are we have a warm antartida? ?has this altered the level of the sea? i think if the antartida is going to freeze we will have lower level sea

The Antarctic climate will change, but it will be a process that takes years, and the global effects may well take centuries.

The way I envision it, the sea levels have not been changed. The ASBs set Antarctica a little lower in the water than it would have been if just switched with the frozen Antarctica. We have a warm but cooling Antarctica.

[Glen]

Acualtly I'm assuming that the Empire of the midnight sun is there... Tristan da Cunha is South of Cape Town. I'm under the assumetion that the Empire of the Midnight Sun already attacked. If we see it under a British Flag we'll stop and change to our normal flag

This is Mauriafrica. We can't be too careful about this but we are going to try and find the enemy. We are assuming that they of the small islands in the Alantic and Indian Ocean...maybe the pacfic as well.

I'm going to say that we are not at Tristan da Cunha. The Islands of the Southern Sea, yes, but that's too far out at this stage of the game. In a few months, who knows?

[Glen]

I think I must tell you that you are going to find a terrible opposition on this issue by the local Trade Unions. Prepare to face a General Strike in case you try this...

LOL! I don't think that they will have much problem with the Unions. Do they taste a little like Onions?<eg> General Strikes will result in decimations, in a most unpleasant manner....


The only towns in the Atlantic coast with shipyard facilities are Viedma in the Patagonia, Buenos Aires and Montevideo. They are the best fortified towns with naval guns and more troops. Well, I know we will be trying for Buenos Aires, and probably Montevideo. La Plata was right to be worried about this area being a target. Now the only question is will their preparations have been enough.

I have already posted the amount of troops in each town maybe someone could moderate which ones are being captured and which ones resist.

Or would you like to try and work out the details ourselves via PM first? Any differences of opinion we could then take to the Mods.

[Condottiero]

Let me know by PM, maybe it will be faster.

One more thing, do not underestimate the Dark Side of Trade Unions.

[Lauranthalas]

OK I need Casualties and Wounded for following Battles.

Krakow (Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Kingdom of Poland):
39th, 40th, 41st Infantry Division (30,000 men); 51st, 52nd, 53rd Cavalry Division (2,250 horsmen); 51st, 52nd, 53rd Artillary Division (750 men) are attacking the capital.

Brasov (Principality of Wallachia):
30th, 31st, 32nd Infantry Div (30,000 men); 40th, 41st, 42nd Cavalry Div (2,250 horsemen); 40th, 41st, 42nd Artillary Div (750 men)

Basically: Artillary (75 howitzers each battle) is bombarding enemy in the beginning. When enemy come too close to own troops artillary turns on military targets in or in front of the town. Infantry is waiting for the enemy to attack and shoots anyone coming in range. Cavalry is basically standing around making sure the flanks and back is not getting attacked. Everyone has strict orders to stay out of enemies Artillary range.

(ought to be 1400's enemy so no real problem, my artillary should actually be able to shoot on their artillary without being themselves in range - I think they should be still using Trebauche's and stuff like that)
I need some moderation too these battles

[Imajin]

The Karelians are going to attempt an invasion of the Skandistani island of Zeeland (Or whatever they call it, it's the island where Copenhagen is). The invasion consists of the 41st, 42nd, and 43rd divisions, without the 43rd's calvary.

[Condottiero]

The Skandistanians have only around the capital 20,000 infantrymen, plus 5,000 cavalrymen and 2,000 berserkers. There are also 120 guns and 5 steam tanks.

In Kallunbahr (Kallundborg) there are 4,000 infantrymen and 500 berserkers, Helsinbahr (Helsingor) there are 2,000 infantrymen. In Al-andt (Lolland) there are 1,000 cavalrymen.

There are also 15 galeasses, 10 lineships and 3 big lineships (Santisima Trinidad Class, 120 guns) going to try to break the Karelian blockade.

[Othniel]

The Ostren Baltic Fleet leaves for Copenhagen, it includes:

Saar
Kiel
Freyr
Frigga
Brunhild
Magni
Embla
Elivagar
Niflheim

Die Nordmare Fleet has departed for the Oldenburg-Skadinstan boarder, it has in it:

Loki
Skadi
Nanna
Seigfriad
Njord
Vigrid
Bil

They're leaving at a quater speed.
Nordmare is the one for the West, and Osternbalticmare Fleet is Blockading between Fyn and Lolland. Nordsmare will start bombarding Esbjerg unless engaged.

[Bulgaroktonos]

I need some moderation too these battles

We've decided that you don't necessarily need moderation, provided you actually come up with reasonable outcomes. For battles between players, they should decide how it happens as best they can between themselves, and forward any disputes or questions to the moderators.

[Lauranthalas]

We've decided that you don't necessarily need moderation, provided you actually come up with reasonable outcomes. For battles between players, they should decide how it happens as best they can between themselves, and forward any disputes or questions to the moderators.
ok so I'll have my losses in about the same as moldavia.

[Condottiero]

Nordmare is the one for the West, and Osternbalticmare Fleet is Blockading between Fyn and Lolland. Nordsmare will start bombarding Esbjerg unless engaged.
Skandistanian fleet is going after the enemy ships in al-Qobenaqa.

[General_Paul]

Well guys, the invasion of Oldenberg by prussia has been launched. 325,000 men, cavalry, artillery positions. And of course, I would like a mod to go over the numbers. Now, if oldenberg wishes to, I don't know, surrender to the prussian forces, then we'll be more than happy than to take your surrender.

[Othniel]

General Paul that is out of charrater for Bismarck...were is the diplomatic ploys? Were is the joining by getting France to declare war? Were is the fact that I'm going to beat your navy down and start ravishing your coast? By being the agressor you have put yourself in a place for a Great War intervention by Western Europe. I have a virtual maginot line surronding my East, South and West. I can easily fight on railways and will burn you to the ground.

[Ward]

The French Empire is moving 60 Inf Reg with 20 lt Art Regs and 25 Hvy Regs. to the Prussian Boarder . Rember the French Army has been moblized since the first week . Each of the Inf. Regs have been brought up to strength with 4 Battions each.

[Glen]

General Paul that is out of charrater for Bismarck...were is the diplomatic ploys? Were is the joining by getting France to declare war? Were is the fact that I'm going to beat your navy down and start ravishing your coast? By being the agressor you have put yourself in a place for a Great War intervention by Western Europe. I have a virtual maginot line surronding my East, South and West. I can easily fight on railways and will burn you to the ground.

You know, I've been curious as to whether this 'Otto von Bismarck' is a parallel to the OTL version or just a name. Reading GP's posting of Prussia it is not entirely clear to me when his POD is, but I have the feeling it is a lot earlier than led to believe with his 'it's the same as OTL' approach to demographics. So, GP, is this the Otto we knew, or someone completely different with the same name and job?

[Othniel]

Tactical Doctrine: The Oldenbergers were very innovative in their use of artillery. The artillery was the elite branch of the military and as such the most intelligent and capable officers and soldiers are assigned to that units. Their use of artillery spotter balloons keeping in touch with the batteries on the ground by telegraph made possible to the artillery units to launch effective artillery barrages over the horizon and to disperse the forces over a wider area to minimize counter-battery fire. The Jager units are trained on the use of skirmish tactics. The cavalry‘s mission is primarily to screen followed by field intelligence. The infantry is based on defensive doctrine due to the small size of the army but on the offensive they used shock tactics and the bayonet will carry the day.


Every infantry regiment is composed of 4 battalions of 500 men and each battalion of 4 companies of 100 men.

3 infantry regiments are in the North. 2 are in the east. Two in the south and one in the West. One Regular Calvary Regular Unit to the north, and one to the east. The light artillary units have beendeployed along the Northern and Eastern Boarders. Since Skadistan attacked we have supplemented anouther two divisions to the north. Anouther three are in moblization. With the declartion of war from Prussia we are moblizing the rest of our reserves.

[Condottiero]

I have taken the battle list of Imperial ships going to South America and I have assigned all damaged ships to La Plata Navy. The rest marched to the North to face the allied force and were captured there by New Granadan, U.S.N., the Platense cruisers in Cartagena and the Navy of Mauribrazil. The distribution has been made without knowing how it is every class:

Latin American Theatre -

Predreadnought Battleships:

IMS Cerebus II (Captured by Nueva Granada fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Audacious II (sunk in Punta Arenas)
IMS Audacious V (Captured by U.S. fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Swiftsure I (Captured by Nueva Granada fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Devastation I (sunk in La Plata)
IMS Devastation IV (damaged in La Plata) (Captured by La Plata in Buenos Aires bay)
IMS Superb I (damaged in La Plata) (Captured by La Plata in Buenos Aires bay)
IMS Collossus I (Captured by U.S. fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Conqueror II (damaged in La Plata) (Captured by La Plata in Buenos Aires bay)
IMS Admiral III (crippled in La Plata) (Captured by La Plata in Buenos Aires bay)
IMS Admiral VI (Captured by Nueva Granada fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Trafalgar I (Captured by U.S. fleet by Brazilian coast)

Cruisers:

IMS Shannon I (damaged in Punta Arenas) (Captured by La Plata in Bahía Blanca)
IMS Emerald I (damaged in La Plata) (Captured by La Plata in Buenos Aires bay)
IMS Leander I (damaged in Punta Arenas) (Captured by La Plata in Bahía Blanca bay)
IMS Leander II (damaged in La Plata) (Captured by La Plata in Buenos Aires bay)
IMS Leander III (sunk in La Plata)
IMS Leander IV (sunk in Punta Arenas)
IMS Mersey I (Captured by Nueva Granada fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Mersey II (Captured by U.S. fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Mersey III (Captured by Nueva Granada fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Mersey IV (Captured by U.S. fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Scout I (Captured by Nueva Granada fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Barracouta II (Captured by La Plata fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Imperieuse I (Captured by Mauribrazil fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Meteor I (damaged in La Plata) (Captured by La Plata in Buenos Aires bay)

Please comment.

[Glen]

I have taken the battle list of Imperial ships going to South America and I have assigned all damaged ships to La Plata Navy. The rest marched to the North to face the allied force and were captured there by New Granadan, U.S.N., the Platense cruisers in Cartagena and the Navy of Mauribrazil. The distribution has been made without knowing how it is every class:

Latin American Theatre -

Predreadnought Battleships:

IMS Cerebus II (Captured by Nueva Granada fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Audacious II (sunk in Punta Arenas)
IMS Audacious V (Captured by U.S. fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Swiftsure I (Captured by Nueva Granada fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Devastation I (sunk in La Plata)
IMS Devastation IV (damaged in La Plata) (Captured by La Plata in Buenos Aires bay)
IMS Superb I (damaged in La Plata) (Captured by La Plata in Buenos Aires bay)
IMS Collossus I (Captured by U.S. fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Conqueror II (damaged in La Plata) (Captured by La Plata in Buenos Aires bay)
IMS Admiral III (crippled in La Plata) (Captured by La Plata in Buenos Aires bay)
IMS Admiral VI (Captured by Nueva Granada fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Trafalgar I (Captured by U.S. fleet by Brazilian coast)

Cruisers:

IMS Shannon I (damaged in Punta Arenas) (Captured by La Plata in Bahía Blanca)
IMS Emerald I (damaged in La Plata) (Captured by La Plata in Buenos Aires bay)
IMS Leander I (damaged in Punta Arenas) (Captured by La Plata in Bahía Blanca bay)
IMS Leander II (damaged in La Plata) (Captured by La Plata in Buenos Aires bay)
IMS Leander III (sunk in La Plata)
IMS Leander IV (sunk in Punta Arenas)
IMS Mersey I (Captured by Nueva Granada fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Mersey II (Captured by U.S. fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Mersey III (Captured by Nueva Granada fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Mersey IV (Captured by U.S. fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Scout I (Captured by Nueva Granada fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Barracouta II (Captured by La Plata fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Imperieuse I (Captured by Mauribrazil fleet by Brazilian coast)
IMS Meteor I (damaged in La Plata) (Captured by La Plata in Buenos Aires bay)

Please comment.

Sounds very reasonable to me.

[Galbatorix]

it is a pity i am late. maybe someone could cede or sell the peruvians one predread

[Othniel]

Imperial Russian Army

Army (all together - support not included): 900,000

Infantry: 800,000
Carbine (800mm long - 20 bullet Cartridge - 9*82mm calibers)
Bayonet (350mm long - possible to set on Carbine - Triangular form --> even if not leathal stitch the wound has very low chances to heal and soldiers die from infaction)

Cavalry/Cosacks: 70,000 (Horsemen) + 5,000 (Cosacks)
Saber (750mm)
Carbine (510mm long - 10 bullet Cartridge - 6.5x52mm calibers)
Cosacks have also a whip (tradition) - Cosacks have most officer ranks over all three branches of the fighting forces (infantry, Cavalry and Artillary)

Artillary: 25,000
Howitzer (155mm various shells - 10 men each): 2,500

Army support: 60,000

80 div Inf a 10,000 men
100 div Cav. a 700 horsemen
100 div Art. a 250 men (25 howitzer)
Cosacks (5,000 horsemen) are not listed because they are the officers many of them have command

over regiments, divisions or multiple divisions.
1st divisions are the proud of the army. who comes in them belongs to the best of the best. the

rest of the divisions is filled by need not by skill.

Moscow (Russia):
1st Inf. Div

1st Cav. Div

1st Art. Div

St. Petersburg (Russia):
2nd Inf. Div
3rd Inf. Div
4th Inf. Div
5th Inf. Div
6th Inf. Div
7th Inf. Div
8th Inf. Div
9th Inf. Div
10th Inf. Div

2nd Cav. Div
3rd Cav. Div
4th Cav. Div
5th Cav. Div
6th Cav. Div
7th Cav. Div
8th Cav. Div
9th Cav. Div
10th Cav. Div
11th Cav. Div
12th Cav. Div

2nd Art. Div
3rd Art. Div
4th Art. Div
5th Art. Div
6th Art. Div
7th Art. Div
8th Art. Div
9th Art. Div
10th Art. Div
11th Art. Div
12th Art. Div

Vladivostoc (Russia):
11th Inf. Div
12th Inf. Div
13th Inf. Div
14th Inf. Div
15th Inf. Div
16th Inf. Div
17th Inf. Div
18th Inf. Div

13th Cav. Div
14th Cav. Div
15th Cav. Div
16th Cav. Div
17th Cav. Div
18th Cav. Div
19th Cav. Div
20th Cav. Div
21st Cav. Div
22nd Cav. Div

13th Art. Div
14th Art. Div
15th Art. Div
16th Art. Div
17th Art. Div
18th Art. Div
19th Art. Div
20th Art. Div
21st Art. Div
22nd Art. Div

Madagan(Russia):
19th Inf. Div

23rd Cav. Div

23rd Art. Div

Irkutsk (Russia):
20th Inf. Div
21st Inf. Div

24th Cav. Div
25th Cav. Div
26th Cav. Div

24th Art. Div
25th Art. Div
26th Art. Div

Chita (Russia):
22nd Inf. Div
23rd Inf. Div

27th Cav. Div
28th Cav. Div

27th Art. Div
28th Art. Div

Groznyy (Azerbaijan):
24th Inf. Div
25th Inf. Div
26th Inf. Div
27th Inf. Div
28th Inf. Div
29th Inf. Div

29th Cav. Div
30th Cav. Div
31st Cav. Div
32nd Cav. Div
33rd Cav. Div
34th Cav. Div
35th Cav. Div
36th Cav. Div
37th Cav. Div
38th Cav. Div
39th Cav. Div

29th Art. Div
30th Art. Div
31st Art. Div
32nd Art. Div
33rd Art. Div
34th Art. Div
35th Art. Div
36th Art. Div
37th Art. Div
38th Art. Div
39th Art. Div

Kiev (Ukraine):
30th Inf. Div
31st Inf. Div
32nd Inf. Div
33rd Inf. Div
34th Inf. Div
35th Inf. Div
36th Inf. Div
37th Inf. Div
38th Inf. Div

40th Cav. Div
41st Cav. Div
42nd Cav. Div
43rd Cav. Div
44th Cav. Div
45th Cav. Div
46th Cav. Div
47th Cav. Div
48th Cav. Div
49th Cav. Div
50th Cav. Div

40th Art. Div
41st Art. Div
42nd Art. Div
43rd Art. Div
44th Art. Div
45th Art. Div
46th Art. Div
47th Art. Div
48th Art. Div
49th Art. Div
50th Art. Div


Minsk (Belarus):
39th Inf. Div
40th Inf. Div
41st Inf. Div
42nd Inf. Div
43rd Inf. Div
44th Inf. Div
45th Inf. Div
46th Inf. Div
47th Inf. Div

51st Cav. Div
52nd Cav. Div
53rd Cav. Div
54th Cav. Div
55th Cav. Div
56th Cav. Div
57th Cav. Div
58th Cav. Div
59th Cav. Div
60th Cav. Div
61st Cav. Div

51st Art. Div
52nd Art. Div
53rd Art. Div
54th Art. Div
55th Art. Div
56th Art. Div
57th Art. Div
58th Art. Div
59th Art. Div
60th Art. Div
61st Art. Div

Riga (Latvia):
48th Inf. Div
49th Inf. Div

62nd Cav. Div
63rd Cav. Div

62nd Art. Div
63rd Art. Div

Tallinn (Estonia):
50th Inf. Div
51st Inf. Div

64th Cav. Div
65th Cav. Div

64th Art. Div
65th Art. Div

Almaty (Kazakhstan):
52nd Inf. Div
53rd Inf. Div
54th Inf. Div
55th Inf. Div
56th Inf. Div
57th Inf. Div
58th Inf. Div
59th Inf. Div
60th Inf. Div

66th Cav. Div
67th Cav. Div
68th Cav. Div
69th Cav. Div
70th Cav. Div
71st Cav. Div
72nd Cav. Div
73rd Cav. Div
74th Cav. Div
75th Cav. Div
76th Cav. Div

66th Art. Div
67th Art. Div
68th Art. Div
69th Art. Div
70th Art. Div
71st Art. Div
72nd Art. Div
73rd Art. Div
74th Art. Div
75th Art. Div
76th Art. Div

Tashkent (Uzbekistan):
61st Inf. Div
62nd Inf. Div
63rd Inf. Div
64th Inf. Div
65th Inf. Div
66th Inf. Div
67th Inf. Div
68th Inf. Div
69th Inf. Div

77th Cav. Div
78th Cav. Div
79th Cav. Div
80th Cav. Div
81st Cav. Div
82nd Cav. Div
83rd Cav. Div
84th Cav. Div
85th Cav. Div
86th Cav. Div
87th Cav. Div

77th Art. Div
78th Art. Div
79th Art. Div
80th Art. Div
81st Art. Div
82nd Art. Div
83rd Art. Div
84th Art. Div
85th Art. Div
86th Art. Div
87th Art. Div

Oskemen (Kazakhstan):
70th Inf. Div
71st Inf. Div

88th Cav. Div
89th Cav. Div

88th Art. Div
89th Art. Div

Ashgabat (Turkmenistan):
72nd Inf. Div
73rd Inf. Div
74th Inf. Div
75th Inf. Div
76th Inf. Div
77th Inf. Div
78th Inf. Div
79th Inf. Div
80th Inf. Div

90th Cav. Div
91st Cav. Div
92nd Cav. Div
93rd Cav. Div
94th Cav. Div
95th Cav. Div
96th Cav. Div
97th Cav. Div
98th Cav. Div
99th Cav. Div
100th Cav. Div

90th Art. Div
91st Art. Div
92nd Art. Div
93rd Art. Div
94th Art. Div
95th Art. Div
96th Art. Div
97th Art. Div
98th Art. Div
99th Art. Div
100th Art. Div

I need an analysis of this army, where they all are how to engauge and which water barrels to sabatouge.

[Lauranthalas]

I need an analysis of this army, where they all are how to engauge and which water barrels to sabatouge.
I'm working on the update for you where they are

[DuQuense]

Artillary: 25,000
Howitzer (155mm various shells - 10 men each): 2,500

?Is this Size reasonable for 1880's? seems over large to me.

[Lauranthalas]

?Is this Size reasonable for 1880's? seems over large to me.
155mm howitzers were used in the franco prussian war from 1870/71. at least according to my history teacher

[Othniel]

No armed force posting for Prussia? I assume that means that he has no army. No army means that he can't invade, thus I win.

[Lauranthalas]

I need an analysis of this army, where they all are how to engauge and which water barrels to sabatouge.
ok here you go. losses during my campaigns were less in the hundreds and are replaced.

all troops in the west and south are at least partially mobilized

current places:

Moscow (Russia):
1st Inf. Div

1st Cav. Div

1st Art. Div

St. Petersburg (Russia):
2nd Inf. Div
3rd Inf. Div
4th Inf. Div
5th Inf. Div
6th Inf. Div
7th Inf. Div
8th Inf. Div
9th Inf. Div
10th Inf. Div

2nd Cav. Div
3rd Cav. Div
4th Cav. Div
5th Cav. Div
6th Cav. Div
7th Cav. Div
8th Cav. Div
9th Cav. Div
10th Cav. Div
11th Cav. Div
12th Cav. Div

2nd Art. Div
3rd Art. Div
4th Art. Div
5th Art. Div
6th Art. Div
7th Art. Div
8th Art. Div
9th Art. Div
10th Art. Div
11th Art. Div
12th Art. Div

Vladivostoc (Russia):
17th Inf. Div
18th Inf. Div

21st Cav. Div
22nd Cav. Div

21st Art. Div
22nd Art. Div

Madagan(Russia):
19th Inf. Div

23rd Cav. Div

23rd Art. Div

Irkutsk (Russia):
15th Inf. Div
16th Inf. Div

19th Cav. Div
20th Cav. Div

19th Art. Div
20th Art. Div

Chita (Russia):

Groznyy (Azerbaijan):
24th Inf. Div
25th Inf. Div
26th Inf. Div
27th Inf. Div
28th Inf. Div
29th Inf. Div

29th Cav. Div
30th Cav. Div
31st Cav. Div
32nd Cav. Div
33rd Cav. Div
34th Cav. Div
35th Cav. Div
36th Cav. Div
37th Cav. Div
38th Cav. Div
39th Cav. Div

29th Art. Div
30th Art. Div
31st Art. Div
32nd Art. Div
33rd Art. Div
34th Art. Div
35th Art. Div
36th Art. Div
37th Art. Div
38th Art. Div
39th Art. Div

Kiev (Ukraine):
11th Inf. Div
12th Inf. Div
13th Inf. Div
14th Inf. Div
38th Inf. Div

13th Cav. Div
14th Cav. Div
15th Cav. Div
16th Cav. Div
17th Cav. Div
18th Cav. Div
50th Cav. Div

13th Art. Div
14th Art. Div
15th Art. Div
16th Art. Div
17th Art. Div
18th Art. Div
50th Art. Div


Minsk (Belarus):
47th Inf. Div

61st Cav. Div

61st Art. Div

Riga (Latvia):
48th Inf. Div
49th Inf. Div

62nd Cav. Div
63rd Cav. Div

62nd Art. Div
63rd Art. Div

Tallinn (Estonia):
50th Inf. Div
51st Inf. Div

64th Cav. Div
65th Cav. Div

64th Art. Div
65th Art. Div

Almaty (Kazakhstan):
58th Inf. Div
59th Inf. Div
60th Inf. Div

74th Cav. Div
75th Cav. Div
76th Cav. Div

74th Art. Div
75th Art. Div
76th Art. Div

Tashkent (Uzbekistan):
66th Inf. Div
67th Inf. Div
68th Inf. Div
69th Inf. Div

83rd Cav. Div
84th Cav. Div
85th Cav. Div
86th Cav. Div
87th Cav. Div

83rd Art. Div
84th Art. Div
85th Art. Div
86th Art. Div
87th Art. Div

Oskemen (Kazakhstan):

Ashgabat (Turkmenistan):
72nd Inf. Div
73rd Inf. Div
74th Inf. Div
75th Inf. Div
76th Inf. Div
77th Inf. Div
78th Inf. Div
79th Inf. Div
80th Inf. Div

90th Cav. Div
91st Cav. Div
92nd Cav. Div
93rd Cav. Div
94th Cav. Div
95th Cav. Div
96th Cav. Div
97th Cav. Div
98th Cav. Div
99th Cav. Div
100th Cav. Div

90th Art. Div
91st Art. Div
92nd Art. Div
93rd Art. Div
94th Art. Div
95th Art. Div
96th Art. Div
97th Art. Div
98th Art. Div
99th Art. Div
100th Art. Div

Ismail (Moldavia):
33rd Inf. Div
34th Inf. Div
35th Inf. Div
36th Inf. Div
37th Inf. Div

43rd Cav. Div
44th Cav. Div
45th Cav. Div
46th Cav. Div
47th Cav. Div
48th Cav. Div
49th Cav. Div

43rd Art. Div
44th Art. Div
45th Art. Div
46th Art. Div
47th Art. Div
48th Art. Div
49th Art. Div

Krakow (Poland):
39th Inf. Div
40th Inf. Div
41st Inf. Div
45th Inf. Div
46th Inf. Div

51st Cav. Div
52nd Cav. Div
53rd Cav. Div
57th Cav. Div
58th Cav. Div
59th Cav. Div
60th Cav. Div

51st Art. Div
52nd Art. Div
53rd Art. Div
57th Art. Div
58th Art. Div
59th Art. Div
60th Art. Div

Brasov (Wallachia):
30th Inf. Div
31st Inf. Div
32nd Inf. Div

40th Cav. Div
41st Cav. Div
42nd Cav. Div

40th Art. Div
41st Art. Div
42nd Art. Div

Berlin (Prussia):
42nd Inf. Div
43rd Inf. Div
44th Inf. Div

54th Cav. Div
55th Cav. Div
56th Cav. Div

54th Art. Div
55th Art. Div
56th Art. Div

Mongolia and China:
20th Inf. Div
21st Inf. Div
22nd Inf. Div
23rd Inf. Div
52nd Inf. Div
53rd Inf. Div
54th Inf. Div
55th Inf. Div
56th Inf. Div
57th Inf. Div
61st Inf. Div
62nd Inf. Div
63rd Inf. Div
64th Inf. Div
65th Inf. Div
70th Inf. Div
71st Inf. Div

24th Cav. Div
25th Cav. Div
26th Cav. Div
27th Cav. Div
28th Cav. Div
66th Cav. Div
67th Cav. Div
68th Cav. Div
69th Cav. Div
70th Cav. Div
71st Cav. Div
72nd Cav. Div
73rd Cav. Div
77th Cav. Div
78th Cav. Div
79th Cav. Div
80th Cav. Div
81st Cav. Div
82nd Cav. Div
88th Cav. Div
89th Cav. Div

24th Art. Div
25th Art. Div
26th Art. Div
27th Art. Div
28th Art. Div
66th Art. Div
67th Art. Div
68th Art. Div
69th Art. Div
70th Art. Div
71st Art. Div
72nd Art. Div
73rd Art. Div
77th Art. Div
78th Art. Div
79th Art. Div
80th Art. Div
81st Art. Div
82nd Art. Div
88th Art. Div
89th Art. Div

[Othniel]

ok here you go. losses during my campaigns were less in the hundreds and are replaced.

all troops in the west and south are at least partially mobilized

current places:

Moscow (Russia):
1st Inf. Div

1st Cav. Div

1st Art. Div

St. Petersburg (Russia):
2nd Inf. Div
3rd Inf. Div
4th Inf. Div
5th Inf. Div
6th Inf. Div
7th Inf. Div
8th Inf. Div
9th Inf. Div
10th Inf. Div

2nd Cav. Div
3rd Cav. Div
4th Cav. Div
5th Cav. Div
6th Cav. Div
7th Cav. Div
8th Cav. Div
9th Cav. Div
10th Cav. Div
11th Cav. Div
12th Cav. Div

2nd Art. Div
3rd Art. Div
4th Art. Div
5th Art. Div
6th Art. Div
7th Art. Div
8th Art. Div
9th Art. Div
10th Art. Div
11th Art. Div
12th Art. Div

Vladivostoc (Russia):
17th Inf. Div
18th Inf. Div

21st Cav. Div
22nd Cav. Div

21st Art. Div
22nd Art. Div

Madagan(Russia):
19th Inf. Div

23rd Cav. Div

23rd Art. Div

Irkutsk (Russia):
15th Inf. Div
16th Inf. Div

19th Cav. Div
20th Cav. Div

19th Art. Div
20th Art. Div

Chita (Russia):


Kiev (Ukraine):
11th Inf. Div
12th Inf. Div
13th Inf. Div
14th Inf. Div
38th Inf. Div

13th Cav. Div
14th Cav. Div
15th Cav. Div
16th Cav. Div
17th Cav. Div
18th Cav. Div
50th Cav. Div

13th Art. Div
14th Art. Div
15th Art. Div
16th Art. Div
17th Art. Div
18th Art. Div
50th Art. Div


Minsk (Belarus):
47th Inf. Div

61st Cav. Div

61st Art. Div

Riga (Latvia):
48th Inf. Div
49th Inf. Div

62nd Cav. Div
63rd Cav. Div

62nd Art. Div
63rd Art. Div

Tallinn (Estonia):
50th Inf. Div
51st Inf. Div

64th Cav. Div
65th Cav. Div

64th Art. Div
65th Art. Div

Ismail (Moldavia):
33rd Inf. Div
34th Inf. Div
35th Inf. Div
36th Inf. Div
37th Inf. Div

43rd Cav. Div
44th Cav. Div
45th Cav. Div
46th Cav. Div
47th Cav. Div
48th Cav. Div
49th Cav. Div

43rd Art. Div
44th Art. Div
45th Art. Div