Comparing Stalin and Hitler [Archive] - Alternate History Discussion Board

BlackWave

November 15th, 2009, 09:56 PM

Mung Beans: be serious and get a life other than constantly trolling a board where you're an irredeemable pariah. This is so caricaturable as to be absurd.

How can you tell he's GMB? Isn't it concievable that it's just a noob?

BlairWitch749

November 15th, 2009, 09:56 PM

Mung Beans: be serious and get a life other than constantly trolling a board where you're an irredeemable pariah. This is so caricaturable as to be absurd.

Marks puppet for the big hit

Polish Eagle

November 15th, 2009, 09:57 PM

Mung Beans: be serious and get a life other than constantly trolling a board where you're an irredeemable pariah. This is so caricaturable as to be absurd.

I think his horrid grammar (in other threads) is part of the illusion. At least he's making an effort!:rolleyes:

RogueBeaver

November 15th, 2009, 09:57 PM

He wants us to get into moral equivalency, which means both are equally the most evil men of the 20th century, with Mao a close second. That's my comparison.

August Akuma

November 15th, 2009, 09:57 PM

Go ahead and bring some examples.

Be Serious.
THX

Read the book The Dictators

Greg. You've posted a lot of noobish threads. You should really stop posting threads.

Campbell1004

November 15th, 2009, 10:26 PM

Both have T's and L's in their names..... THEY MUST REALLY BE ALIEN COUSINS WHO CAME TO EARTH TO PLAY A GAME WITH THE NATIONS OF MAN! WHEN HITLER LOST THE WAR THEY RETURNED TO THEIR BUNKER ON MARS AND WILL ONE DAY COME TO EARTH IN THE GUISE OF DIFFERENT DICTATORS WHO WILL AGAIN DO BATTLE!

Onkel Willie

November 15th, 2009, 10:31 PM

He wants us to get into moral equivalency, which means both are equally the most evil men of the 20th century, with Mao a close second. That's my comparison.

Mao had a higher body count than the other two combined, but then again he had more people to kill. Pol Pot could also apply. He killed 'only' 2 million people, but his country had less than 15 million which gives him a high relative body count. As for sadism. I'd go with Stalin's NKVD with the SS a more distant second. But enough with the moral equivalency. Killing a person is wrong, no matter how many or few. All dictators are terrible, despicable people and I'd rather not choose between them unless forced to by ASBs who want to teleport me to them or something which fortunately won't happen.

Btw, I've seen a lot of bashing of General Mung Beans in whatever account he uses, but I don't know why. Can anyone tell why he seems to be the most hated person on ths board?

The Vulture

November 15th, 2009, 10:32 PM

Both changed their names and had crappy mustaches?

I Blame Communism

November 15th, 2009, 10:41 PM

Both changed their names and had crappy mustaches?

Excuse me, say whatever else you like about Stalin, and I of course can say a great deal, but his moustache dripped man. Where facial hair is concerned, there can be no comparison.

HJ Tulp

November 15th, 2009, 10:43 PM

Helios Ra

November 15th, 2009, 10:48 PM

Mao had a higher body count than the other two combined, but then again he had more people to kill. Pol Pot could also apply. He killed 'only' 2 million people, but his country had less than 15 million which gives him a high relative body count. As for sadism. I'd go with Stalin's NKVD with the SS a more distant second. But enough with the moral equivalency. Killing a person is wrong, no matter how many or few. All dictators are terrible, despicable people and I'd rather not choose between them unless forced to by ASBs who want to teleport me to them or something which fortunately won't happen.

Btw, I've seen a lot of bashing of General Mung Beans in whatever account he uses, but I don't know why. Can anyone tell why he seems to be the most hated person on ths board?

Probably best to read the Hall of Infamy or ask someone in a PM.

Derek Jackson

November 15th, 2009, 10:48 PM

Stalin was willing to murder millions to achieve his political objectives.

For Hitler murdering millions was one of his major political objectives.

On the other hand a loyal Nazi was likely safe from the Nazi state, whereas under Stalin having been a committed Bolshevik probably put you in more danger.

I Blame Communism

November 15th, 2009, 10:49 PM

They both became leaders of Empires (Germany and USSR) while they weren't members of the dominant ethnic group (Germans and Russians). Both had tyranical, middle-class fathers. Both were for some time destined for a career in the church.

...Hitler was German...

Yeah, yeah, Austrian. He came from the country which had tried its best to be called Republic of German Austria, Germany upon gaining unwanted independence. He was raised speaking German with a German indentity, and while I consider "blood" irrelevent, he wouldn't have, and Austrians are likely to be more "German" in "blood" than Piefkes. And of course "his group", the Austrians, were incorporated into his empire, enjoyed full rights, rose to high positions, and were in every way equal to the "Germans". Stalin, Georgia, and Russia aren't a meaningful comparison.

Austrians being meaningfully non-German is a result of Adolf's work.

Campbell1004

November 15th, 2009, 10:51 PM

...Hitler was German...

Wasnt he Bavarian?

BlackWave

November 15th, 2009, 10:53 PM

...Hitler was German...

Austrian. :p

The Vet

November 15th, 2009, 10:53 PM

On a helpful note, try Hitler and Stalin parallel lives by Alan Bullock

Polish Eagle

November 15th, 2009, 10:54 PM

Wasnt he Bavarian?

I thought he was Austrian?

I Blame Communism

November 15th, 2009, 10:54 PM

Wasnt he Bavarian?

...That's a joke?

[See elaboration in post]

Austrian. :p

Give me a second, guys, give me a second! Here's my elaboration again:

Yeah, yeah, Austrian. He came from the country which had tried its best to be called Republic of German Austria, Germany upon gaining unwanted independence. He was raised speaking German with a German indentity, and while I consider "blood" irrelevent, he wouldn't have, and Austrians are likely to be more "German" in "blood" than Piefkes. And of course "his group", the Austrians, were incorporated into his empire, enjoyed full rights, rose to high positions, and were in every way equal to the "Germans". Stalin, Georgia, and Russia are not really a useful comparison.

Austrians being meaningfully non-German is a result of Adolf's work.

HJ Tulp

November 15th, 2009, 10:56 PM

...Hitler was German...

Yeah, yeah, Austrian. He came from the country which had tried its best to be called Republic of German Austria, Germany upon gaining unwanted independence. He was raised speaking German with a German indentity, and while I consider "blood" irrelevent, he wouldn't have, and Austrians are likely to be more "German" in "blood" than Piefkes. And of course "his group", the Austrians, were incorporated into his empire, enjoyed full rights, rose to high positions, and were in every way equal to the Germans.

Austrians being meaningfully non-German is a result of Adolf's work.

Mostly true yes. A better way of putting it would be that both Stalin and Hitler came from the periferie of their respective empires.

I Blame Communism

November 15th, 2009, 10:58 PM

Mostly true yes. A better way of putting it would be that both Stalin and Hitler came from the periferie of their respective empires.

I suppose you could say so, but the fact is Stalin was a member of a much smaller group with a very seperate identity who assimilated into the main group and ruled their country. Hitler wasn't.

RogueBeaver

November 15th, 2009, 11:56 PM

BTW, both Stalin and Hitler changed their names. Don't ask me how to spell Iosef D... but Hitler's original name was Schikelgruber or something to that effect.

Polish Eagle

November 16th, 2009, 12:44 AM

BTW, both Stalin and Hitler changed their names. Don't ask me how to spell Iosef D... but Hitler's original name was Schikelgruber or something to that effect.

No, Hitler's father changed the name from Schikelgruber to Hitler. Adolf was born Hitler.

Greg the Historian

November 16th, 2009, 01:07 AM

So you say Stalin killed 2 million people.
Read the Book THE DICTATORS

Fenrir_Angerboda

November 16th, 2009, 01:20 AM

Both changed their names and had crappy mustaches?

Take that back!
Stalin had a Great sta....wait, that was Molotov.

BTW, both Stalin and Hitler changed their names. Don't ask me how to spell Iosef D... but Hitler's original name was Schikelgruber or something to that effect.

Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili was his Birthname

So you say Stalin killed 2 million people.
Read the Book THE DICTATORS

Enlighten us.
what does this sacred tome of yours tell you?

Ian the Admin

November 16th, 2009, 10:06 AM

Mung Beans: be serious and get a life other than constantly trolling a board where you're an irredeemable pariah. This is so caricaturable as to be absurd.

Shut up. Just shut up, don't feed the troll. Really.

Stalker

November 16th, 2009, 10:23 AM

BTW, both Stalin and Hitler changed their names.
No, only one of them.
Don't ask me how to spell Iosef D...
Dzhugashwili or Djugashwili and there's the opinion divide: if 'shwili' clearly means (son) and is a very common ending of Georgian surnames, "Djuga's origin is not quite clear. Some say it means in archaic Georgian "Steel" and that explains his nickname of a surname "Stalin", the other insist that it means "a Jew" and then we have Joseph, the son of a Jew, the third group says it's just a varian of a man's name Dzuga. Who knows?
but Hitler's original name was Schikelgruber or something to that effect.
He wos born as Hitler.

Peter

November 16th, 2009, 09:26 PM

Its not a word for Jew. That's a myth based.

Stalker

November 17th, 2009, 08:22 AM

Its not a word for Jew. That's a myth based.
Well, actual Georgian word for "Jew" is "hebraeli" but some ultra-right historians derive the word "djuga" from "Israelite". Seems like Colin Jordan himself started that thread in his NS propaganda of history. So, actually I don't support this point of view either, I simply point ouit that such a point of view exists among others.

DISSIDENT

November 17th, 2009, 09:50 AM

People always speculate about Stalin capturing Hitler alive to put him on trial. They really were very similar people. Paranoid mass murdering psychopaths who lead extremist ideological fringe groups in power in large industrialized nations.

I bet it would be sort of like the interrogation scene between Batman and The Joker in The Dark Knight. Hitler was a sadistic, schizophrenic, mass-murdering clown with zero empathy.

STALIN: Then why do you want to kill me?

HITLER: I don't want to kill you. What would I do without you? Go back to staging Putschs in beer halls? No...you...you complete...me. I could see us doing this for the rest of our lives. See, those Western Allied heads of state want to ditch you and go back to the way things were, but you've changed things. As long as they can use you, they'll keep you around. But they're only as good as their "morals" allow them to be. When the chips are down, these "civilized people", they'll eat each other. I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve.