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MerryPrankster
April 18th, 2005, 05:08 AM
WI the Emperor's lightning doesn't mortally wound Vader when he rescues Luke and thus Luke brings his father back to Endor alive after the destruction of the second Death Star in Return of the Jedi?

Though the fact that he repented of his wicked ways, killed the Emperor and rescued one of the Rebellion's greatest heroes might spare him immediate execution, Vader's got too much blood on his hands to completely escape punishment. What might happen?

Othniel
April 18th, 2005, 05:11 AM
Shouldn't this go in the movies section of the board?

ljofa
April 18th, 2005, 11:23 AM
No it shouldn't.

I've seen this covered twice - one fan fic from www.theforce.net and in the Return of the Jedi Infinities series of coverbooks. In the fanfic, Vader is taken by Luke in secret to recover somewhere. He secretly contacts Leia to help him. Once sufficiently recovered, Vader realises that the Emperor was using the force to surpress Vader's recovery and he doesn't need the suit to move about. He returns to the New Republic to stand trial with Mon Mothma presiding although he knows the verdict will be guilty and the punishment will be execution. Unknown to all, the ghosts of Qui-Gonn Jinn, Obi-Wan and Yoda are all discussing his fate. The story plays out with Leia coming to accept Vader and just before his execution, the ghost Jedi strip Vader of his force powers. Mon Mothma who doesn't want to execute Vader agrees to let him live the rest of his life tending to a garden somewhere surrounded by grandchildren.

The Infinities series has the Emperor escape and Vader adopting a white suit of armour at the end of the book.

So, to answer the question:

The Rebel Alliance/New Republic doesn't like executing its prisoners except in extreme circumstances. I think that a deal would be worked out where he receives amnesty for revealing all he knows about the Empire. A condition of that amnesty is that he's marooned on a planet without access to a space ship of any sort. Or left on Myrkr with the Ysalamiri. Vader is also mega-rich. If we're killing off the Emperor in this scenario, he could access his funds and donate them freely to the Alliance. He would probably also be able to tell them that the Emperor wasn't dead, he'd just assumed a clone body on Byss.

Hermanubis
April 18th, 2005, 02:57 PM
Shouldn't this go in the movies section of the board?

Seems I’ve seen a lot of Sci-Fi What-Ifs in the ASB Forum, too.

Straha
April 18th, 2005, 03:22 PM
Vader with a white suit of armor.. that would kinda suck.

Abdul Hadi Pasha
April 18th, 2005, 03:36 PM
I don't think the Republic would be anxious to execute one of two surviving Jedi - especially the last with any continuity to the past. He would get a less intimidating outfit and become an instructor at the new Jedi academy.

Xen
April 18th, 2005, 04:21 PM
I don't think the Republic would be anxious to execute one of two surviving Jedi - especially the last with any continuity to the past. He would get a less intimidating outfit and become an instructor at the new Jedi academy.

Exactly in the expanded universe one of Lukes Jedi Students gets out of hand and kills a bunch of innocent people. There are many in the New Republic wishing to execute him for it but the leadership says its a Jedi issue, it is up to the Jedi what should be done. Thats the way it worked in the Old Republic, and the way it will work in the New Republic.

Bulgaroktonos
April 18th, 2005, 05:32 PM
Then Vader would not be executed. They didn't execute Revan, nor would they execute him.

As for even attempting to kill Vader, if they didn't put him on trial right away, he would dominate everybody once he recovered.....

MerryPrankster
April 18th, 2005, 06:01 PM
I don't think the Republic would be anxious to execute one of two surviving Jedi - especially the last with any continuity to the past. He would get a less intimidating outfit and become an instructor at the new Jedi academy.

I read a post-ROTJ (I think) fanfic where Vader was left on Endor or something (it was a forested planet and he was all alone) and Luke and his trainee Jedi would come visit him. He helped Luke rescue Leia from some peril or another.

I had the idea that though his life would be spared, perhaps all his armor and weaponry would be taken from him and he'd be left a wheezing cripple in a nursing home somewhere.

Xen
April 18th, 2005, 06:01 PM
Then Vader would not be executed. They didn't execute Revan, nor would they execute him.

As for even attempting to kill Vader, if they didn't put him on trial right away, he would dominate everybody once he recovered.....

I can actually see Vader going into a self imposed exile, not exactly certain where he'd go. Dagobah is a possibility but the dark side cave might make him reconsider, but there are literally hundreds of thousands of planets so finding one where he has no connection to, and the population is a minimum at best. After five years or so he returns to the galaxy with Luke and together they open a Jedi Academy on Coruscant at the old Jedi Temple. Anakin rarely leaves the temple feeling it is his sacred duty to restore the very order he all but destroyed. By the time of the Vong attack Anakin could have more Jedi Trained to knighthood, and ready to fight the enemy.

MerryPrankster
April 18th, 2005, 06:06 PM
Vader is also mega-rich. If we're killing off the Emperor in this scenario, he could access his funds and donate them freely to the Alliance. He would probably also be able to tell them that the Emperor wasn't dead, he'd just assumed a clone body on Byss.

True...I think that the Emperor gave him a palace on Coruscant, among other goodies. I've always wondered why Vader would go for luxuries and pleasures and the like...in his crippled condition, it's difficult for him to enjoy them.

Othniel
April 18th, 2005, 06:09 PM
True...I think that the Emperor gave him a palace on Coruscant, among other goodies. I've always wondered why Vader would go for luxuries and pleasures and the like...in his crippled condition, it's difficult for him to enjoy them.
It's the Empire. All about appearences.

Let me put it this way, if your right hand man doesn't appear well off in comforts, what are your chances of getting rich under the empire? It's to get the profiteers and goldiggers working for Palpetine of corse.

Xen
April 18th, 2005, 06:35 PM
True...I think that the Emperor gave him a palace on Coruscant, among other goodies. I've always wondered why Vader would go for luxuries and pleasures and the like...in his crippled condition, it's difficult for him to enjoy them.

Vader's Palace on Coruscant is or rather was the Jedi Temple, it was kind of a way to stick it to the ancient enemies of the Sith.

MerryPrankster
April 18th, 2005, 07:44 PM
It's the Empire. All about appearences.

Let me put it this way, if your right hand man doesn't appear well off in comforts, what are your chances of getting rich under the empire? It's to get the profiteers and goldiggers working for Palpetine of corse.

Well, that certainly explains it well enough.

MerryPrankster
April 18th, 2005, 07:45 PM
Vader's Palace on Coruscant is or rather was the Jedi Temple, it was kind of a way to stick it to the ancient enemies of the Sith.

That explains it too, I guess.

MerryPrankster
April 18th, 2005, 07:47 PM
Exactly in the expanded universe one of Lukes Jedi Students gets out of hand and kills a bunch of innocent people. There are many in the New Republic wishing to execute him for it but the leadership says its a Jedi issue, it is up to the Jedi what should be done. Thats the way it worked in the Old Republic, and the way it will work in the New Republic.

Are you thinking of Kyp Durron, when he falls under the influence of the ghost of Sith Lord Exar Kun, steals the Sun Crusher, and proceeds to wipe out several star systems (destroying the Imperial military academy, among other things)?

Xen
April 18th, 2005, 07:50 PM
Vader also had a place on a rocky planet named Vjun (if thats how its spelled) it literally rained acid there, and was a palace carved out of rock, made by slave laborers of the Empire. It was a place for him to go meditate on the dark side, and torture some of his victims, all the while getting away from it all. It was also a place he could take a young relative Jedi to complete his training and teach him how to help to over throw the Emperor.

Xen
April 18th, 2005, 07:52 PM
Are you thinking of Kyp Durron, when he falls under the influence of the ghost of Sith Lord Exar Kun, steals the Sun Crusher, and proceeds to wipe out several star systems (destroying the Imperial military academy, among other things)?

That would be the one, Mon Mothma insisted since he was a Jedi it was up to the Order on how to best to deal with him. During the days of the Old Republic he would have been exiled on a lifeless planet. I guess since the New Republic was hard up for Jedi, Luke decided to keep him around.

MerryPrankster
April 18th, 2005, 07:53 PM
That would be the one, Mon Mothma insisted since he was a Jedi it was up to the Order on how to best to deal with him. During the days of the Old Republic he would have been exiled on a lifeless planet. I guess since the New Republic was hard up for Jedi, Luke decided to keep him around.

Hmmm...for wiping out the Imperial Military Academy, I'd give him a medal. He still needs sanction for swiping the Sun Crusher (a piece of valuable military property) and for fooling around with ghostly Sith Lords, though.

Bulgaroktonos
April 18th, 2005, 07:55 PM
Hmmm...for wiping out the Imperial Military Academy, I'd give him a medal. He still needs sanction for swiping the Sun Crusher (a piece of valuable military property) and for fooling around with ghostly Sith Lords, though.

Well that's the Jedi--always afraid. Never doing what needs to be done, and cowering in fear of the Dark Side. That's why they don't kill their prisoners. They should. They just repeat history over and over.....

Xen
April 18th, 2005, 07:58 PM
Hmmm...for wiping out the Imperial Military Academy, I'd give him a medal. He still needs sanction for swiping the Sun Crusher (a piece of valuable military property) and for fooling around with ghostly Sith Lords, though.

Ahh but in doing so he killed millions of innocent beings, which he needed punished for.

Othniel
April 18th, 2005, 08:01 PM
BTW, what is that Force society that Corran Horn discovered in I, Jedi? I remeber the Sun-crusher incident being mentioned in that book.

Bulgaroktonos
April 18th, 2005, 08:01 PM
Ahh but in doing so he killed millions of innocent beings, which he needed punished for.

The Jedi don't think like that. They think that if one shows repentence, then they deserve to live. Not be punished or eliminated.

MerryPrankster
April 18th, 2005, 08:02 PM
Ahh but in doing so he killed millions of innocent beings, which he needed punished for.

There were millions in the solar system with the Imperial Military Academy? I was under the impression that it was an isolated area.

Okay, kill him then.

Othniel
April 18th, 2005, 08:10 PM
We, remeber in the empire thread I asked about a alien race in the Star Wars Galaxy that was immune from force powers?

Dashade
Dashades are tall, humanoid reptiles with dark skin. They are powerful warriors and assassins, and they are not affected by the powers of the Force. Their planet, Urkupp, was almost destroyed during the Great Sith War, killing most of the Dashades. As far as is known now, only one Dashade remains, Ket Maliss, an assassin for Black Sun who was cryonized when his boss discovered that only a few Dashades remained. Some theorize about undiscovered Dashade colonies.


They used to be hired to train Jedi, because of their immunity. I wonder what would happen if Luke could convince him to be a combat trainer at the academy...

Xen
April 18th, 2005, 08:14 PM
It was on a planet named Caridia, it had a native population which was basically giant Cockroaches that were intelligent enough to have a language, and a civilized society, as well as space travel. They, like so many others were under the Empire's boot heel.

As far as punishing a Jedi showing repentence, they did it all the time. Of course the Jedi were exiled rather than killed. Remember the Jedi only take a life when ite necessary, and only in defence rather than revenge.

DominusNovus
April 18th, 2005, 08:24 PM
Vader also had a place on a rocky planet named Vjun (if thats how its spelled) it literally rained acid there, and was a palace carved out of rock, made by slave laborers of the Empire. It was a place for him to go meditate on the dark side, and torture some of his victims, all the while getting away from it all. It was also a place he could take a young relative Jedi to complete his training and teach him how to help to over throw the Emperor.
I hate Vjun. The opening stage of the Vjun level in Jedi Academy has the acid rain almost everywhere, regardless of whether or not you're inside. :mad:

Abdul Hadi Pasha
April 18th, 2005, 08:45 PM
What the hell are you all talking about? Jeez what a bunch of geeks. If it's not in a movie, it didn't happen. Even then I'm pretending I & II didn't.

Othniel
April 18th, 2005, 08:50 PM
What the hell are you all talking about? Jeez what a bunch of geeks. If it's not in a movie, it didn't happen.
Technically the rule is if it is directly from George Lucas (or Alan Daen Fosters Books, or if it is in the Radio Drama) himself it is cannon(published or unpublized.). If it is published under the Star Wars name it is considered cannon under Scrutiny but considered fact. Everything that is noncontinuos is considered secondary material and fan-ficts are considered apokrifcal.

That is the offical postion of Lucas.

Xen
April 18th, 2005, 09:19 PM
What the hell are you all talking about? Jeez what a bunch of geeks. If it's not in a movie, it didn't happen. Even then I'm pretending I & II didn't.

Yup Im a Star Warrior Geek, damn proud of it too. Though I will admit most of the EU really sickens me. Its like each writer tried to make their villians more evil than the last, their super weapons much more feared than the Death Star. Its simply unrealistic. That is why I love the Thrawn Trilogy. Thrawn wasn't necessarily evil, he was cruel, he was a genious, and he fought for the Empire but he wasnt worse than Vader or the Emperor, he actually gave a damn about the people of his Empire and the soldiers under his command. One can even see in another galaxy Thrawn using the heroes of Yavin as his pawns, and actually caring if they survive or not.

Although he was sometimes a bit too omnipotent for my liking :(

This is why I stick to fan fics beyond the movies really, and then only my own. I even dismiss most of ROTJ as it is just as mushy as TPM, I think Ewoks are much worse than Gungans (Jar Jar aside I liked the Gungans). I should post some of my fan fics here.

Othniel
April 18th, 2005, 09:26 PM
I prefer the stuff released by wizards of the coast for the RPG. It's easy to follow.

Maybe a timeline to alter would help?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dates_in_Star_Wars#SW6

MerryPrankster
April 18th, 2005, 09:32 PM
What the hell are you all talking about? Jeez what a bunch of geeks. If it's not in a movie, it didn't happen. Even then I'm pretending I & II didn't.

George Lucas said that all of the EU is canon. Sorry John, Chewbacca did die.

Xen
April 18th, 2005, 09:38 PM
George Lucas said that all of the EU is canon. Sorry John, Chewbacca did die.

Thats a personal preference. When I run my Star Wars RPG I have Chewie living well beyond when he was supposed to die. Of course my stories arent cannon but I choose what I want to happen and dont want to happen in my galaxy.

ljofa
April 18th, 2005, 11:06 PM
Yup Im a Star Warrior Geek, damn proud of it too. Though I will admit most of the EU really sickens me. Its like each writer tried to make their villians more evil than the last, their super weapons much more feared than the Death Star. Its simply unrealistic. That is why I love the Thrawn Trilogy. Thrawn wasn't necessarily evil, he was cruel, he was a genious, and he fought for the Empire but he wasnt worse than Vader or the Emperor, he actually gave a damn about the people of his Empire and the soldiers under his command. One can even see in another galaxy Thrawn using the heroes of Yavin as his pawns, and actually caring if they survive or not.

There were some really good novels out there and some real stinkers.

I like the Rogue and Wraith Squadron series of novels + The Thrawn trilogy, the Caamas duology, I, Jedi and Traitor. Those novels that I think stink are Children of the Jedi, Planet of Twilight, The Crystal Star and The Black Fleet Crisis Trilogy. They did nothing to advance the knowledge of the universe other than introduce Irek Ismaren and Lusa.

Thrawn knew of the theat of the Yuuzhan Vong early. One has to wonder if old Palpatine did as well?

Xen
April 18th, 2005, 11:15 PM
There were some damn good ones out there granted, and the galaxy didnt start to go down hill until Kevin J Anderson took over the bulk of the writing, thats when we started get the Jedi Babies stories coming out. Remember the one where Kyp Durron turned to the dark side and Lukes Jedi students had to come and save the life of their master, even the infant Anakin Solo helped defeat Exar Kun. That was one of the worst ever plots I have heard in my life, thats when Star Wars went from being an enjoyable universe for people of all age groups to being a kiddy zoo. Its a tradition that continued well into Episode One. Thats why the Phantom Menace has such a Britney Spears/Backstreet Boys feel to it.

ljofa
April 18th, 2005, 11:20 PM
I thought Kevin J Anderson was a sloppy writer yeah but it was more the prose rather than the plot line that ruined those books for me. It did read like "Junior Star Wars" and spoke down to the reader.

Anakin Solo helped defend himself against Ambassador Furgan IIRC. There was a nice part in Star By Star (I think) where he talks about being touched by Palpatine whilst he's in the womb feeling the evil. Too bad he was written out as he was the best of the Solo kids. Unless he's somehow cloned or whatever later on.

Abdul Hadi Pasha
April 19th, 2005, 02:52 AM
The only SW fiction I've read was the Thrawn trilogy which I was intensely pressured to read. I though it was so-so. There were some good ideas in there, but overall, not too impressed. Thrawn was given a white uniform just for the final image, and his studying the art of cultures to determine their military weaknesses was weak. It was a decent idea, but they author just SAID he did it rather than bothering to describe him actually doing it, which I find lazy and uncreative.

Also, there were WAY too many Deux ex machinas for my taste.

Xen
April 19th, 2005, 12:17 PM
I thought Kevin J Anderson was a sloppy writer yeah but it was more the prose rather than the plot line that ruined those books for me. It did read like "Junior Star Wars" and spoke down to the reader.

Anakin Solo helped defend himself against Ambassador Furgan IIRC. There was a nice part in Star By Star (I think) where he talks about being touched by Palpatine whilst he's in the womb feeling the evil. Too bad he was written out as he was the best of the Solo kids. Unless he's somehow cloned or whatever later on.

Heaven forbid Anakin Solo come back, I couldnt stand him, to me he was like Michelle from Full House, all the best lines went to him. Its almost as if the writers said to hell with Jacen and Jaina, we have Anakin to develop. The main reason lies with in the name, with the prequels coming out and Anakin Skywalker being the main character, they began beefing up his grandson to associate the two together. Disgusting!

I also hated the way Jaina Solo was developed, they couldnt just have her as a young Jedi Pilot and a great warrior, they reduced her to a little tramp wanna be. Getting horny by watching the Chiss fighters fly their ships into combat and getting distracted, then turning to the dark side and back again after her brother Anakin is finally eliminated. Thats one of many problems I have with the EU, the new Jedi Order walk back and forth from the light side to the dark with little effort put into their coming back. It diminishes what Anakin Skywalker did when he defeated Vader and joined the lightside before he died.

Then there is Jacen Solo, just put him in a diaper and call him a baby. Although he has had some decent philosophical ideas he is just way too whiny, he makes Luke look like a patient, level headed Jedi trainee talking to Yoda on Dagohbah. See they could have swapped Jacen and Anakins character development, Anakin still bites the big one, and Jacen still lives.

Whats with the writers trying to give everybody a boyfriend or girlfriend? Jacen and Jaina were barely into their teens when they began to have rather serious relationships, Anakin the same way. If it was just one of them finding a relationship, like Anakin and Tahiri was fine, but we ended up with Zekk and a whole load of characters that's only contribution was to be a love interest of the Solo twins in that writers books, even if they were out of order. And all the loves were always a tragedy, what the hell, this is Star Wars not Romeo and Juliett.

Othniel
April 19th, 2005, 04:21 PM
I thought Kevin J Anderson was a sloppy writer yeah but it was more the prose rather than the plot line that ruined those books for me. It did read like "Junior Star Wars" and spoke down to the reader.
Kevin J. Anderson was certainly not at his best when he wrote the Young Jedi Knights. I found the background charcters a bit more intresting there than the main charcters. His Saga of Seven Suns surpass his Star Wars books easily.

ljofa
April 20th, 2005, 12:12 AM
It would have been interesting to see more of Vader post-Death but the film will explain about Jedi ghosts so I shalln't go into much more detail.

MerryPrankster
April 20th, 2005, 12:17 AM
It would have been interesting to see more of Vader post-Death but the film will explain about Jedi ghosts so I shalln't go into much more detail.

The ghostly Vader/Anakin appears to Leia in The Truce at Bakura. She isn't very nice to him.

ljofa
April 20th, 2005, 12:23 AM
He does - and there's an Exar Kun inspired vision of Vader in Dark Apprentice. Vader also appears in The Unifying Force barking at his grandson to "Stand Firm" against Onimi.

It would have been nice to see him explain why he did what he did. Why did he let Tarkin incinerate Alderaan? He wanted to stop people from dying - that was why Palpatine was able to turn him. What feeds his ambitions to rule the Empire?

MerryPrankster
May 2nd, 2005, 06:24 AM
He does - and there's an Exar Kun inspired vision of Vader in Dark Apprentice. Vader also appears in The Unifying Force barking at his grandson to "Stand Firm" against Onimi.

It would have been nice to see him explain why he did what he did. Why did he let Tarkin incinerate Alderaan? He wanted to stop people from dying - that was why Palpatine was able to turn him. What feeds his ambitions to rule the Empire?

Perhaps Vader viewed the death of a billion or so people on Alderaan as the lesser of two evils--the other choice was a full-blown civil war where many, many times that would have died.

I have some more theories, but I don't want to ruin the ending of Episode III for everyone.

Faeelin
May 2nd, 2005, 02:12 PM
It would have been nice to see him explain why he did what he did. Why did he let Tarkin incinerate Alderaan? He wanted to stop people from dying - that was why Palpatine was able to turn him. What feeds his ambitions to rule the Empire?

My theory was that he was an evil human being, but, you know, I'm weird.

ljofa
May 2nd, 2005, 03:23 PM
But to go from arrogant to completely evil...?

MerryPrankster
May 2nd, 2005, 07:34 PM
My theory was that he was an evil human being, but, you know, I'm weird.

True. The end result of my "I don't want to give away the ending of Episode III" theory is that at a particular point he DOES cross the line from doing-bad-things-with-good-intentions to just being bad. What causes that I'm not saying. :)

MerryPrankster
May 2nd, 2005, 07:35 PM
But to go from arrogant to completely evil...?

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

And...

If you really want to corrupt someone, appeal to the good within them, not the bad.

See the movie (or, if you can't want, just read the graphic novel) and you'll understand.

MerryPrankster
August 31st, 2006, 03:33 AM
Vader with a white suit of armor.. that would kinda suck.

Extreme thread necromancy!

I actually saw that. He looked really ridiculous.

Considering it's much easier to heal injuries with Light Side powers than the Dark Side (with Dark, you have to be VERY angry at your injuries and that's hard to pull off--in "Shadows of the Empire," Vader tried and failed), I would expect him to repair himself in short order.

He'd still have the robotic limbs, but he'd be able to breathe normally and have hair.

DominusNovus
August 31st, 2006, 03:53 AM
Extreme thread necromancy!

I actually saw that. He looked really ridiculous.

Considering it's much easier to heal injuries with Light Side powers than the Dark Side (with Dark, you have to be VERY angry at your injuries and that's hard to pull off--in "Shadows of the Empire," Vader tried and failed), I would expect him to repair himself in short order.

He'd still have the robotic limbs, but he'd be able to breathe normally and have hair.
Well, I think a large part of it was that he had to focus so much anger, that when he was pleased that it was working, his happiness was counterproductive...

MerryPrankster
August 31st, 2006, 04:10 AM
Well, I think a large part of it was that he had to focus so much anger, that when he was pleased that it was working, his happiness was counterproductive...

That sounds like what I remember reading.

Keenir
August 31st, 2006, 04:32 AM
Perhaps Vader viewed the death of a billion or so people on Alderaan as the lesser of two evils--the other choice was a full-blown civil war where many, many times that would have died.


oi...*has the mental image of the Empire splitting between those loyal to Vader, and those loyal to the Emperor*

Wonder which side the Republic would prefer to back. (hope that they can turn Vader back to the light side?)

MerryPrankster
August 31st, 2006, 04:37 AM
oi...*has the mental image of the Empire splitting between those loyal to Vader, and those loyal to the Emperor*

Wonder which side the Republic would prefer to back. (hope that they can turn Vader back to the light side?)

I think they'd take advantage of the conflict between Master and Apprentice to expand their territories and then crush the weakened loser. They might covertly support Vader in the meantime, since Palpatine, being a skillful manipulator and politician, is in the long run more dangerous (if there was a conditional surrender that left him in some kind of position of power, he'd likely reassert himself years down the road). Vader is too unsubtle for sneaky things like that.

Even Obi-Wan didn't think that Vader would even return to the Light Side. I don't think the Rebel leadership would be more merciful.

In any event, I doubt it would get that far. Vader had LOTS of enemies b/c he was nasty and sadistic. Owing to his weakened condition he couldn't simply kill Palpatine, and since the military hated him, he couldn't stage a coup.

And by civil war, I was referring to the Rebellion. Vader might have thought destroy Alderaan would have nipped the entire Rebellion in the bud and brought peace to the galaxy. He felt much the same way about the destruction of the Jedi Order and the Separatists ("I have brought peace and security and liberty and justice").

Count Dearborn
August 31st, 2006, 04:58 AM
Extreme thread necromancy!

I actually saw that. He looked really ridiculous.

Considering it's much easier to heal injuries with Light Side powers than the Dark Side (with Dark, you have to be VERY angry at your injuries and that's hard to pull off--in "Shadows of the Empire," Vader tried and failed), I would expect him to repair himself in short order.

He'd still have the robotic limbs, but he'd be able to breathe normally and have hair.

Ever read Shadow of the Empire? If you read between the lines, it is implied that Vader is almost another personality, and that he was too tied up within his anger. The latter is illustrated where, for a second, he is healed, but then reverts to his burned state.

MerryPrankster
August 31st, 2006, 05:00 AM
Ever read Shadow of the Empire? If you read between the lines, it is implied that Vader is almost another personality, and that he was too tied up within his anger. The latter is illustrated where, for a second, he is healed, but then reverts to his burned state.

I've never read SotE. I've played the video game a bit and read about the novel version (which goes into more detail).

I know SotE came out before the prequels--when Vader was (briefly) healed, he did he look like a normal person, or was his healing all internal?

Count Dearborn
August 31st, 2006, 05:50 AM
I've never read SotE. I've played the video game a bit and read about the novel version (which goes into more detail).

I know SotE came out before the prequels--when Vader was (briefly) healed, he did he look like a normal person, or was his healing all internal?

I think it was mostly internal, his pain was gone, and his skin didn't feel tight. The author only mentioned it a paragraph.

Max Sinister
August 31st, 2006, 08:25 AM
This is AH in a fictional world, I move it to ASBs.

Xen
September 5th, 2006, 02:01 PM
Extreme thread necromancy!

I actually saw that. He looked really ridiculous.

Considering it's much easier to heal injuries with Light Side powers than the Dark Side (with Dark, you have to be VERY angry at your injuries and that's hard to pull off--in "Shadows of the Empire," Vader tried and failed), I would expect him to repair himself in short order.

He'd still have the robotic limbs, but he'd be able to breathe normally and have hair.

A friend of mine wrote a fan fiction about this once, Vader was healing his wounds, but it was a very slow process. If memory serves me correctly, Luke stayed with his friends on Endor, Vader led the Empire conducting the search for the Rebels. Father and son met again at the Death Star Shield Bunker, things move as normal per the story, except there is a lightsaber fight.

The Death Star blows up, temporarily distracting Vader, Luke cuts off his fathers right hand and legs, in one move sort of like Obi-Wan on Mustafar. The rebels gather around and encourage Luke to kill the dark lord, but the young Jedi refuses, even positioning himself between the rebels and Vader. Moved by his sons compassion and mercy, Vader once again becomes Anakin.

Mon Mothma agrees with Luke to spare Vader (Anakin), Anakin goes into a temporary exile on Vjun, a place where he had a chamber where he could breathe without the mask and body armor. With the Emperor dead, Anakin found he could actually heal his wounds. It was later discovered all his efforts were being hindered by Palpatine, who was obviously afraid of what a fully healed Vader would/could do.