Wheel of Time map

[Troyer IV]

I know it's nothing to do with alternate history, but I'm looking for a mapmaker who can make a good base map of the map provided in the books.

I've been trying to make a Risk-like map.

Anywho, anyone that's interested, please respond.

[Darkaiz]

I've got one somewhere... hold on.

Edit; Here it is. This is all I have. I did not make this myself, but I think it could be a good base to start with if anyone wants to make a blank map.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q297/Darkaiz/wheeloftimemap.jpg

[Bavarian Raven]

I know it's nothing to do with alternate history, but I'm looking for a mapmaker who can make a good base map of the map provided in the books.

I've been trying to make a Risk-like map.

Anywho, anyone that's interested, please respond.

is this for conquer club, if i may ask?

[jacobus]

I can't remember, which of these countries was the one where men wear a dagger on a chain around their neck, and present it to their bride and say, if I ever cause you displeasure, feel free to stab me through the heart with this? The hell with that!
In general, though, it seems to me that Robert Jordan has some kind of fetish, he seems to enjoy seeing proud, powerful women broken and humbled. His books are filled with haughty noblewomen and rich matrons reduced to poverty and servitude. I wonder why? Anyone else notice this?

[Archangel Michael]

I can't remember, which of these countries was the one where men wear a dagger on a chain around their neck, and present it to their bride and say, if I ever cause you displeasure, feel free to stab me through the heart with this? The hell with that!
In general, though, it seems to me that Robert Jordan has some kind of fetish, he seems to enjoy seeing proud, powerful women broken and humbled. His books are filled with haughty noblewomen and rich matrons reduced to poverty and servitude. I wonder why? Anyone else notice this?

Robert Jordan also loved clothes. And words. He combined the two of them and wrote The Wheel of Time.

[Timmy811]

World maps, continental or national? I have at least 40 WoT maps.

[Minchandre]

I can't remember, which of these countries was the one where men wear a dagger on a chain around their neck, and present it to their bride and say, if I ever cause you displeasure, feel free to stab me through the heart with this?

That would be Altara, and specifically the city of Ebou Dar, IIRC.

[dreadnought jenkins]

In general, though, it seems to me that Robert Jordan has some kind of fetish, he seems to enjoy seeing proud, powerful women broken and humbled. His books are filled with haughty noblewomen and rich matrons reduced to poverty and servitude. I wonder why? Anyone else notice this?

Not in the wheel of time books themselves no.

I've been told his conan books are like that though, and that he considers them somewhat an "old shame."

[Hashasheen]

I can't remember, which of these countries was the one where men wear a dagger on a chain around their neck, and present it to their bride and say, if I ever cause you displeasure, feel free to stab me through the heart with this? The hell with that!
In general, though, it seems to me that Robert Jordan has some kind of fetish, he seems to enjoy seeing proud, powerful women broken and humbled. His books are filled with haughty noblewomen and rich matrons reduced to poverty and servitude. I wonder why? Anyone else notice this?
They were mostly royalty or in high positions of power, and considering the theme of the story (everything is going to crap and we got the faux-Christ here) its pretty accurate.

[Timmy811]

My favorite wheel of time map

By Dominic of the http://13depository.blogspot.com/search/label/Maps

Spoilers for book 11, Knife of Dreams
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g251/Tim811/CAEMLYN_002.jpg

[Atom]

I've got one somewhere... hold on.

Edit; Here it is. This is all I have. I did not make this myself, but I think it could be a good base to start with if anyone wants to make a blank map.
Islands don't work that way! They just don't! :mad: They Just don't!

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[Minchandre]

Islands don't work that way! They just don't! :mad: They Just don't!

[Atom descends into gibberish]

Are you talking about Windbiter's Finger? Because the setting being what it is, it's entirely possible that the islands are artificial.

[xt828]

Are there any maps of the other continent(s)?

[Star_Kindler]

Are you talking about Windbiter's Finger? Because the setting being what it is, it's entirely possible that the islands are artificial.

Actually it's pretty much a guarantee. For those of you who don't know, some 3500 years before the series, every male magic user went insane after an attempt to seal off the ultimate evil. Because of this insanity, they went around the world completely remaking it. No doubt one of them thought the islands would look cool that way.

As for the question of the other continents, there are at least the maps in the source compendiums which feature Seanchan and the Isle of Madmen, but I don't think we know enough of either for maps.

[Darkaiz]

Islands don't work that way! They just don't! :mad: They Just don't!

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Well, since many things in the world are artificial.... yes they do ;)

[Archangel Michael]

Islands don't work that way! They just don't! :mad: They Just don't!

[Atom descends into gibberish]

And neither does magic.

[Timmy811]

And neither does magic.

Depends on the magic system. The One Power certainly can do so.

[Timmy811]

No one liked the map of Caemlyn?

Well here's some more, are these helpful?

Wot map in detail
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g251/Tim811/wotmapdetail.jpg

Annotated with estimated armies and main character location
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g251/Tim811/wotannotatedmap.jpg

Shara and the Aiel Waste
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g251/Tim811/SharatheAielWaste.gif

Seanchan
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g251/Tim811/Seanchan.png

The Ten Nations (edited by me to be more accurate)
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g251/Tim811/TenNations.png

The Nations of the Free Years
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g251/Tim811/FreeNations.png

World Map
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g251/Tim811/WoTworld.png

I also have more detailed maps of Arad Doman, Almoth Plain, Tear, and Shienar. Do you want to see them?

[Troyer IV]

Thanks for all the maps, I've seen most of them/have most of them in my collection somewhere.

Robert Jordan = slight chauvinist. He's admitted this. When asked about the women falling in his books, he said that's just what happens when you're on top. And since he made his world to be different than ours, in one of his interviews he said what way to make it more different than to have women dominating in almost every aspect of life? In our world, in the middle ages, women were next to slaves. In his world, they hold the lion's share.

Yes, this is for conquerclub or landgrab, whichever comes first. Or both.

Randland (or the westlands, wetlands, etc) is really the only continent that can be accurately depicted. The Seanchan continent is about 2 times the size and next to nothing is known except the names and locations of a few scattered cities. The Aiel waste is also useless as the do not have cities other than the ruin of Rhuidean. The multitudinous cliff-side dwellings, holds, and what not are not enough to sketch a map, even if enough were listed to do so, which there are not. Shara is even worse. All we have of that region is the location of a few safe ports and towns on the periphery and about 13 contradicting words for the same place. The Land of the Madmen... well, we know there are crazy cannibal-esque people there and volcanoes and ice.

Randland it is! I've taken a map (strangely one that you didn't post, the blank white one) and using a projector blew it up on a poster board and traced it by hand and colored it an all. I think I did a pretty good job as far as the balance for a Risk-esqu strategy board. The only problem I had was around Tar Valon and Cairhien. That's the one section that's a little iffy on my map. But it works.

Altarans are the ones with the Marriage Knife hanging around their necks. I'm not altogether sure since it's been a while, but I think everyone wears them, but they only adorn them with gems when they are married. Not sure. The further north (and has anyone noticed that Altara actually curves around north of Ghealdean? on the east side of Garen's Wall?) you go in Altara, the more like Andorans they look and act.

Magic doesn't work in our world, but it does here. So mountains can be any damn way they please. And if its the islands that bother you, then you find somewhere in the world where you have three mountain ranges that form at almost right angles to each other (Mounts of Mist that don't quite touch World's End that run into Mounts of Dhoom that run into Spine of the World/Dragonwall).

It's fantasy, just accept it.

[Darkaiz]

Awesome stuff.

[MNP]

I can't remember, which of these countries was the one where men wear a dagger on a chain around their neck, and present it to their bride and say, if I ever cause you displeasure, feel free to stab me through the heart with this? The hell with that!
In general, though, it seems to me that Robert Jordan has some kind of fetish, he seems to enjoy seeing proud, powerful women broken and humbled. His books are filled with haughty noblewomen and rich matrons reduced to poverty and servitude. I wonder why? Anyone else notice this?
All the women are based on Harriet. Also he grew up in South Carolina in the 1950s and went into the military. It's not hard to tweak something like that to get something like WoT ladies. But then, I've been posting at Wotmania for years and years so I've honed arguments about the situation.

Yeah, both the Dark God of Evil and the Crazy Men significantly altered the planet. Hell even the main character created a lake and subducted a mountain range to do it. Another time he tumbled half a mountain range down.

Btw, anyone else ever though Shayol Ghul was Iceland? "An idyllic island in a cool sea" ?

[Timmy811]

These are also done by Dominic of the 13th Depository.

Shienar
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g251/Tim811/SHIENAR_001.jpg

Almoth Plain
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g251/Tim811/ALMOTH_001.jpg

Arad Doman (As claimed by the Domani)
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g251/Tim811/ARAD_DOMAN_PRE-TGS_001.jpg

The South East over the last 3500 years
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g251/Tim811/ESSENIA_01.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g251/Tim811/FREEYEARS_001_SOUTH-EAST.jpg

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g251/Tim811/TEAR_001.jpg

[xt828]

Altarans are the ones with the Marriage Knife hanging around their necks. I'm not altogether sure since it's been a while, but I think everyone wears them, but they only adorn them with gems when they are married. Not sure.

Isn't it a stone for each child, colour-coded on gender and whether they're alive or not?

[jacobus]

In our world, in the middle ages, women were next to slaves. In his world, they hold the lion's share.

Women holding most political authority in this world makes sense to me. Everyone remembers that it was male channelers who broke the world after the Age of Legends, and it seems natural that men in positions of power would be distrusted, even by many men.

[Timmy811]

In our world, in the middle ages, women were next to slaves. In his world, they hold the lion's share.

Women holding most political authority in this world makes sense to me. Everyone remembers that it was male channelers who broke the world after the Age of Legends, and it seems natural that men in positions of power would be distrusted, even by many men.

Especially since they've continued to go insane and wreak destruction for the last 3500 years.

[Atom]

I'm aware its fantasy, but I suppose I approach this from a more sci-fi standpoint. I wan't something odd and as large as an island chain, to be explained specifically why it is that way. Saying a "wizard did it" for something that big, just leads me to "why did the wizard do it?". This a definite philosophy question, which I'm not really interested in arguing, because I think its mostly a matter of taste. I respect your opinions, and admit that I've never read the books, so since I only see the maps thats the thing that bugs me most, although they are extremely pretty, and I'm arguing over a fantasy map so that makes me a complete loser. :p

[Minchandre]

Saying a "wizard did it" for something that big, just leads me to "why did the wizard do it?".

The setting being as it is, there are three possibilities for why a wizard would do it:

1. A wizard of strong or moderate power, or a group of wizards, would have been able to do that island chain if they felt they had a good reason to (maybe as a wave break or something?)

2. A very powerful wizard probably would have been able to it by themselves for whatever reason - a bet, a dare, an odd desire to disturb geologists of future ages.

3. A couple thousand years ago, all male wizards went crazy. One of them might have done Windbiter's Finger out of madness. Why did the wizard do it? He was mad!

[Atom]

2. A very powerful wizard probably would have been able to it by themselves for whatever reason - a bet, a dare, an odd desire to disturb geologists of future ages. Sometimes I think thats the reasoning behind most fantasy maps.

[Timmy811]

I'm aware its fantasy, but I suppose I approach this from a more sci-fi standpoint. I wan't something odd and as large as an island chain, to be explained specifically why it is that way. Saying a "wizard did it" for something that big, just leads me to "why did the wizard do it?". This a definite philosophy question, which I'm not really interested in arguing, because I think its mostly a matter of taste. I respect your opinions, and admit that I've never read the books, so since I only see the maps thats the thing that bugs me most, although they are extremely pretty, and I'm arguing over a fantasy map so that makes me a complete loser. :p

The philosophy behind it is that a Nihilistic Dark God tainted the male half of the source, driving all (millions) male wizards mad in a world where the Utopian civilization was already in ruins from 100 years of societal collapse and 10 years of world war. With all the men driven crazy, and half the women worshiping the dark God, the half of the women that weren't evil had no chance to maintain order, so que up two or three centuries of constant apocalypse.