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raharris1973
April 9th, 2005, 06:38 PM
My question is this, will any other great power provide the states bordering Israel with subsidized military aid and advisors? Would Russian, China or India do it any time over the next fifty years?

Currently the US subsidizes Egypt and Jordan, but because it also subsidizes Israel, it's not designed to support confrontation. This is in contrast to the USSR, which from 1955 to the end of the Cold War gave Syria and Egypt (till the 70s) major support while not asking them to moderate any war aims. Will anybody revive that old Soviet policy?

I do think we will continue to arms sales to the front-line states, but on a cash, not subsidy basis. And, the front-line states don't have the oil revenue to afford what more distant states like Saudi, Iraq and Iran can. Luckily for the Israelis, none of the states it shares a border with is an oil giant.

So, on the one-hand, there not much profit for an outside great power to subsidize Israel's potential opponents. On the other hand, its a great political cheap shot, if you're hoping to use your support of those states to gain indirect influence over the oil producers as well. Even if over the next fifty years the USA moderates its pro-Israel stance, I don't see it ever being able to outbid powers that lack pro-Israel domestic constituencies in pursuing a strategy like this. IE, the US would never subsidize Arab forces designed for confrontation, no questions asked, as the USSR did.

Thoughts?

The answer to this question is almost the same as the answer to the question - will we see real geopolitical rivalry in the world, or will the entire rest of the industrialized world continue on its current course or locally-focused, pragmatic and low-risk policies.

MerryPrankster
April 9th, 2005, 07:17 PM
I don't think India would help arm anti-Israel Arab states--Israel and India are to some extent allies (there's sort of an Israel-India-Turkey thing going).

The Chinese might, though I wouldn't expect them to have the modern arms-production base to do this for some time (they're producing Russian Su-27 fighters on their own and some shorter-ranged missiles too, but I think that's about it). I'd expect them to arm anti-Israeli Arab states as means of gaining influence over the oil states (China imports a butt-load of oil) and stick their thumb in America's eye.

raharris1973
April 11th, 2005, 12:55 AM
For states that have cash, the Chinese would sell right now.

However, it seems that China's relationship at the current time are mainly based on cash and not great power patronage. Only very local issues (Taiwan recognition, helping Pakistan check India) cause them to stick their necks out a bit. As yet we're not seeing the 1970s Soviet style behavior of deploying the fleet all over and sending expeditionary forces to support third world clients and paying through the nose to do it.

Do you think we'll see a shift to that over the coming decades?

How long can Israel delay this by transferring arms technology to China?