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[Hapsburg]

what is the P.O.D for this map?

[Hapsburg]

imjin, i just changed it. sry...

[Aussey]

Land of the Pruss? rofl

[Imajin]

There were never any Pruss, they were called the Prussi, or Prussians, even before they were Germanified by the Teutonic Knights.

[Aussey]

i always wondered where the words prussia and prussian came from

[Raymann]

well the POD is obviously some geologic change millions of years ago, you have Atlantis obviously.

[Imajin]

well the POD is obviously some geologic change millions of years ago, you have Atlantis obviously.
Well, I suppose Atlantis could be some sort of artificial creation, if technology is far higher than OTL.

[Hapsburg]

i know its prussi. i just wanted it to rhyme with rus'.
no, not a geological change! that's waaaaaaaaaaaay tooo far back. and, no, tech isnt any bit different than OTL, until the A.Ds
okay, okay, ill give you the first P.O.D...
1000 yrs b4 the Trojan War...what happens?

[Hapsburg]

ok, another clue: its a long series of PODs that up until them, are a lot like OTL.
i edited the map:

[David S Poepoe]

i always wondered where the words prussia and prussian came from

That region of the Baltic was thick with Spruce trees.

Spruce [Short for obsolete Spruce fir, Prussian fir, from Middle English Spruce, Prussia, alteration of Pruce, from Anglo-Norman Pruz, from Medieval Latin Prussia.]

[Romulus Augustulus]

I'm guessing a recent geologic event. Some freak circumstance under the Atlantic causes a sort of bubble of magma to form under the location of Atlantis, which forms very quickly for some reason. In a relatively short amount of time (around 1000-2000 years) a new continent forms...although it's more of an ugly welt than anything else. That is assuming this world evolved through scientific means or whatever you want to call it, and didn't spontaneously come into existence some 10,000 years ago...wait...does it involve the Atlanteans being less decadent?

[Hapsburg]

mmm...
ill just give ya the TL. this is obviously too hard...

note: you should try to know the storyline of AGe of Mythology to understand this, and assume that the Olympian gods exist. of, course, that last one's a minor point.

1000 years b4 the trojan war, grecian settlers from Crete land on an island off the coast of modern hispania. they name the island "atlantis", and the ocean it is in, "atlanica"(greek?).

trojan war, 1240-150 B.C.E
the power Mycenae and the age of Heroes is near an end, and many have fallen. Though, one last war shall be waged. Aggamemnon, King of Mycenae and soon-to-be emperor of all greece, requires one final piece of land: troy. TRoy controls the hellespont, and the lucrative black sea trade. When his brother weds the young Helen, princess of Sparta, Aggamemnon sees his chance to begin a war. The Oath is agreed to by the many suitors, and they pledge to rescue helen, should she be kidnapped or such. Paris, prince of troy, whisks her away, and the war begins.
Atlantis is drawn into the conflict. Arkantos, leader of the Atlantean navies and armies, leads thier forces into battle, and participates in the storming of the city. With troy sacked, he returns home. However, on the way he discovers a plot to bring the Titans back, carried out by a sinister cult lead by one of Poseidon's sons.
The plot is foiled, and Atlantis is saved (in OTL, atlantis sinks).

In the mid-300s BCE, a Macedonian king becomes virtual emperor of Greece, claiming to be the son of Zeus, and a decendant of Achilles. He spreads his empire to the east, as far as India. Then, repulsed, he treks back to his homeland, but satisfied for his lust for conquest. In 312, he embarks on one last campign: the conquest of Atlantis. It is an easy victory, as atlantis had recently fallen into civil war between the military and the patriarchal government. King Alexander III of Macedon also makes himself King Alexander I of Atlantis. He introduces new ideas from the classical ages, and reforms Atlantis into a thriving center of trade and learning (in OTL, this is alexandria, egypt).
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[Diamond]

It's an interesting TL, but shouldn't it be in ASB? :confused:

[Hapsburg]

no...
because atlantis really existed...
maybe a little bit ASB, at first...
but later on, it gets more historically with the Roman empire and etc.

[Diamond]

no...
because atlantis really existed...

Okaaaaaay....
Even if I could buy that, there's no way a TL with Zeus and Poseidon walking around belongs anywhere else but ASB.

[Hapsburg]

so? we have ATL's here that talk of the bible's events being historical fact, even though they are relgious-based stories. just like the olympian gods are religous-based stories...

but, actually, the cult is lead by a guy who THINKS he is posiedon's son..
i should have made that more clear...

[Othniel]

Alantis is right where the Canary Islands are supppose to be on this map....so maybe if that was changed to the waters of Carnari...why could get this...Several other things might have to be changed...like there is no way the Inca are going to extent that far north without a population boom and a millitant Aztec empire still there. Now if you could make a map based off of the book of mormon's America...welll....

[NFR]

Alantis is right where the Canary Islands are supppose to be on this map....so maybe if that was changed to the waters of Carnari...why could get this...Several other things might have to be changed...like there is no way the Inca are going to extent that far north without a population boom and a millitant Aztec empire still there. Now if you could make a map based off of the book of mormon's America...welll....

I won't even start to worry about that... With something that size sitting there, North Europe will be a lot colder. This TL also has the Mughals, which means the Mongols came along at some point. I just can't see it happening...

[basileus]

I just can't understand these worlds with a dozen states in all... better to indicate them as cultural areas. States Are FAR MORE fragmented, even today in times of Single-sided Forced Thought and Globalization. Just imagine without modern technology what chaos may ensue...

[Othniel]

I won't even start to worry about that... With something that size sitting there, North Europe will be a lot colder. This TL also has the Mughals, which means the Mongols came along at some point. I just can't see it happening...
I was talking about the waters the people of the canary islands could control...not that it was an acualt island.

[eschaton]

I just can't understand these worlds with a dozen states in all... better to indicate them as cultural areas. States Are FAR MORE fragmented, even today in times of Single-sided Forced Thought and Globalization. Just imagine without modern technology what chaos may ensue...

It's because mapmakers are lazy. :D

[Bulgaroktonos]

I'm not going to buy Atlantis existing until given some indeniable truth. There was probably a huge volcanic explosion, and it just got extrapolated, i.e. Thera.

Furthermore, Rome is way too large. Unless that expansion is recent, there is no way rome could grow to be that large and sustain itself. By 180 it had pushed to the limits of feasible control under the single emperor system.

Half these places can't even exist.....like the Mughals.

[Hapsburg]

P.O.Ds:

The Romans beat the Germans in Teutoberg Forest. Subsequently conquered really far east.

What is now the Canary Islands is in this TL the highest peaks of Atlantis.

The Mongols came and went in asia. the Northern Indian Mughals are the last remains of them.

the Norse settlement on Vinland expands and survies.

Sioux Indians form a loose confederation of tribes(like the Iroquois League).

Prussia is ruled by Baltic pagans(prussi), and Russia is a Tsardom early, led by the Novgorodians(a result of a Rome vs. Novgorod war)

Inca and Aztec expand after a few major population booms and make an alliance to defend against the "pale people" of the Northlands(norse settlers) and the "red people" of the grasslands(sioux).

Atlantis:
never sinks, and becomes a major power in the medditerranenan.

Roman-Atlantean War:
88 AD-185 AD
A long and bloody war between the Romans and Atlanteans for control of the Atlantic Ocean. Atlantis wins, albeit with heavy casualties. They form a nonagression pact under Emperor Commodus I, and become allies against various african tribes in the Roman Expansion of 190-215.

For most of the AD era, there is peace. Then, the Mongol Hordes smash through the Rus' and Prussi in the 1200s. They reach as far as OTL's Hungary. Then, Roman legions and Germanic mercenaries push them back. The Atlanteans use naval infantry to destroy the Mongol's weeak merchant flotilla.

For many more years the land is at peace, then, an Roman explorer, Christophus Columbus makes the discovery of a lifetime: a new continent to the west.

The year is now 1505. Let the conquest begin...

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