ME5 History

[G.Bone]

...Diamond...post map here.

[Leej]

Have you been mod here?
Anyway as said if we're using the map yankland 7

[God_of_Belac]

On the 89-territory map, North America 6.

[GBW]

Whichever map is used, I suppose I'll take Antarctica.

[Diamond]

This one seems to work the best so far. Note that there are 4 more Oceania Zones, covering Hawaii and the various Pacific island groups. I also added a few more zones here and there, mainly in Africa.

[Diamond]

I guess if we're calling territories, I call Oceania 1 (the Philippines).

[Straha]

north america 12

[Beck Reilly]

I'll take Oceania 11 (Tasmania).

[G.Bone]

Oceania 13
South America 9=> Notice: All I want is the Terra Del Freugo and the Falklands. Anyone care to take over the rest of that territory?
Asia 15

[tom]

North America 5 from Mithras (I agree, aesops are too far out, and this will give me a chance to play around with a TL other than Aesop or Castro).

[Leej]

If we are supposed to be taking 3 as the other topic says also-
Europe 3
Asia 10 (India should be divided more...)
(If we are taking 3 how about they must be on different continents?)

[G.Bone]

Yes on different continents, just to be fair to others. If no one signs up for the leftovers, then it's open for anyone who wants.

[Diamond]

(India should be divided more...)


It would've been nice if you'd said something the first four times I asked for suggestions on how the map should be... :D :D
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The only other territory I want right now is North America 14.

Oceania 1
North America 14

[tom]

My father is in rehabilitation, so between visiting him, being housewife/househusband combined, and a full time job, I'll be lucky if I can handle one "nation"!
BTW, let me point out that Mithras is about a decade ahead of OTL in technology. They lag in WMD (due to a "bellumphobia" after the War there) but are more like two decades ahead in certain fields (resource extraction, conservation and recycling are particularly advanced). Does this sound OK? Note that there are no nuclear, biological or chemical weapons in the transported area, so they will not disrupt things that way.

[God_of_Belac]

If we're taking 3, tehn to NA 6 I add Australia 10 and Middle East 3.

Actually, I want to switch to NA 4, since no one's claimed that. So NA 4, Australia 10, Middle East 3 for me.

That'd be Californian Empire(truncated), New Dijon, and Safavid Empire(truncated).

[G.Bone]

here's is Diamond's map (altered)
the nations colored black are the ones taken

if no one hasn't registered for the spare nations by the 14th, those that have already chosen can have another [bringing the total to 4].

(the reason that I'm allowing 'till the 14th is that engineering one's story of arrival will take long, ergo the alloted time)

http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v47/foolicooli/taken.jpg

[WngMasterD]

Can I have Oceania 14: Micronesia?

[GBW]

I already have Antarctica, and I'll take Africa 19 as well. What was the ruling on pieces of published universes, like the Draka, Turtledove universes, etc? I have an idea that will be within the technology requirements and, if the answer is yes, then I'll also take North America 6.

[Marius]

I'll take Africa 20 please

[WngMasterD]

Hey, If we are getting more than one country, can i have Europe 16 and/or Europe 7

Thanks

[tom]

GBW:
I am inclined to say yes to published. They are more developed and just as "fictional" as anything we would post. Of course, this is one for the moderators to rule on.

[tom]

WngMstrD:
My understanding is we can have up to 3, with an option for a fourth later on if the map does not fill up quick enough.

[WngMasterD]

Thank you much

[G.Bone]

updated map

http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v47/foolicooli/a96375e1.jpg

[tom]

I will do Europe 19 CMW (noone else seems to want this PoD). It will not be a "mover" but will have some VERY interesting object lessons about nukes (Mithras has recovered from its war, except some cultural aftereffects).

[Leej]

Is everyone too cowardly to be first to post?

[Beck Reilly]

I only picked one the first time around so I suppose I should pick two more. My three are:

1) Oceania 11 (the one I already picked)
2) North America 6
3) Africa 21

[Imajin]

Hm, can I have..

Europe 7
North America 10
North America 2

Hopefully that's all not taken..

[GBW]

I only picked one the first time around so I suppose I should pick two more. My three are:

1) Oceania 11 (the one I already picked)
2) North America 6
3) Africa 21

Wait a moment, I called North America 6 and haven't gotten a solid ruling on whether published universes are allowed yet.

Imajin: Your three regions haver to be from different continents, you'll have to stick with only one of the North American regions.

[Beck Reilly]

Wait a moment, I called North America 6 and haven't gotten a solid ruling on whether published universes are allowed yet.

Oh, sorry 'bout that.

[Imajin]

Oh.. sorry.. (Wow, I'm getting off to a great start! My second post and I make a mistake!)

Well, my idea for Quebec wasnt too interesting anyway.. Change NA2 to Asia 14...

[TheLoneAmigo]

North America 11: Estados Unitos del Mexico from Mexica from IC
Oceania 9: Nieuw Holland
Europe 7: The Kingdom of Corsica-and-Sardinia

[G.Bone]

I'm sorry TheLoneAmigo, Europe 7 was taken by Imajin. Can you pick another one?

-> Published works are ...accepted along as there are noticable differences in it. I.E. The Draka were cornered near Zimbabawe and were contained behind a great wall near Madagascare (or something to that effect.)

The following is an update of the other update. NA 7 & 11 are sortta screwed up due to shading difficulties

http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v47/foolicooli/42756cf4.jpg

[TheLoneAmigo]

Sorry: What about Africa 18? Anyone know a good Arabic name for that area?

[GBW]

Sorry: What about Africa 18? Anyone know a good Arabic name for that area?

Well, there's always Zanzibar.

[Justin Green]

Id like to claim Europe 5. Also are we going to be allowed to claim more land later?

Id be interesdted in spliting some of italy with whoever claimed sardinia corsica.

[tom]

Hey, I tried claiming another NA for a minute before I remembered and edited it.
Beck Reilly:
I am interested in how my "homeland" will look in SME!
BTW, I feel we should have an idea of what most of the zones will be like before we start writing our stories, since that will influence how they unfold quite quickly.

[Diamond]

BTW, I feel we should have an idea of what most of the zones will be like before we start writing our stories, since that will influence how they unfold quite quickly.
Completely agree.
My 'intro story' just sets up some major characters and the nation itself, but after that, I'll need info on the surrounding nations...

[G.Bone]

If no one else (new) registers for a country tonight or tom'w at 9:00AM, then whenever it turns 5:00PM, everyone will be allowed to pick one more country. However, this is hinging on the fact if no one else comes around to pick a nation. (So if you want more people to join; invite them over.)

[DuQuense]

Can I have NA 8?

[DuQuense]

Can I have NA 8?

[Gedca]

I would like to claim Middle East 2 please.

[DuQuense]

Of Course if I Could get Africa 5 & 6, i'd have my whole "Hesperia" TL :D :p

[G.Bone]

Since it is Thursday, I will allow one more day to see if anyone can fill the map up. Those whom want more than 3 nations can also register if the map is not filled up by today.

'right. sorry about the small size.

http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v47/foolicooli/3f145946.bmp

[Aedh Rua]

Are NA 1 & 2, and Europe 6 still avail?

[GBW]

Are NA 1 & 2, and Europe 6 still avail?

Yes, they are. Feel free to take one of the North Americas and Europe 6. You're also free to take a third region from a different continent as well, if you want.

[Beck Reilly]

I already claimed Oceania 11 and it was marked on the old maps but not on the new one...

[Aedh Rua]

Yes, they are. Feel free to take one of the North Americas and Europe 6. You're also free to take a third region from a different continent as well, if you want.

Ok, sounds like I can't have two contiguous regions of one continent. Well, that's understandible. So, let's go with NA 2, Europe 6, and Oceania 12, which is NZ, isn't it? If it isn't, I'll change it to whatever number _is_ NZ.

Those will be taken from a modified version of Bitus, one which has, through various lucky breaks, advanced technologically to about the early '90s.

NA 2 will become a portion of the Ulatis Nouiolitawijâs, or "Sovereignty of New Gaul", a Gaulish client state, of mostly Gaulish-descended population, with a lot of ethnic Brigantians, and Native Americans, all of whom get along pretty well. It has lost its primary food producing and industrial regions in the change, so it will pretty desperately looking for trade relations, or conquest. Its army will be limited to about ten divisions of relatively green troops, fairly well equipped by early '90s standards, say to the level of OTL France, but not quite those of the U.S. at that time. It also has a major naval base, which has given it a pretty good sized fleet, about a quarter of the OTL Royal Navy.

Europe 6 is the Rigion Litawijâs, or "Kingdom of Gaul", from a TL diverging from the NA 2 TL about 30 years before, with just enough differences to be annoying, but not enough to prevent cooperation. It is not quite self-sufficient in food, though rationaing would have to be strict, and with a substantial industrial base. It's going to need to trade for raw materials and extra food, but it will have little economic reason to be aggressive. About half its army came with it, giving it about 50 divisions of troops equipped at an early '90s level, and covering the gamut from green to elite in quality. A good piece of its fleet also came, giving it naval strength about half of the OTL Royal Navy. One annoyance is that the military vehicles of NA 2 and Europe 6 are different in make and model, and the spare parts are not therefore compatible. OTOH, some of the munitions are, but not all.

NZ is the Ulatis Windodengwijâs (Sovereignty of White Mist Land), a _former_ client state of Britanijâ, given that Britanijâ has not come through. The Ulatis Windodengwijâs is a lot like OTL NZ. There are Polynesian aboriginals, though they bear little resemblence to OTL Maoris, due to 2500 years of butterflies, who are held in cliency by the Celtic-speaking population. This means that they are limited to certain areas of the North Island, larger than "reservations" but still small, owe various special taxes and services to their overlords, but receive what amounts to extensive foreign aid, which about keeps them afloat. A fair number have left the "reservations" and form the working class in most cities. The majority population is made up of Britanoi, and speak a language about as similar to Gaulish as OTL Danish is to OTL Swedish. Windodengwijâ is quite self-sufficient in food, though it will be eager to trade lamb for other meats. It is heavily dependent on trade to supplement its rather meager industrial sector, and will be seeking partners, especially partners with need for wool, mutton, and a number of types of fruit never bred in OTL. The entire local army and fleet came through, but they don't amount to much. Together with a tough and motivated citizenry, they would make an invasion pretty hard, but their power projection capacity is nil. Note that the large Polynesian areas on the North Island mean that there is more settlement of the South Island than in OTL.

All of these nations are quite a bit less democratic than most OTL nations, with strong aristocracies who control society and the state. Social stratification is still in part based on birth, but strong meritocratic elements have developed during the industrial age. Indeed, the system of social rank is in some respects closer to a system of military rank than a class system, with both nobility and commoners divided into numerous sub-ranks, and moving up and down on the basis of merit and performance. OTOH, the economic and social systems mean that really serious poverty is unknown in any of them. They are neither precisely capitalist nor socialist, but rather systems in which the power of private companies and the state tend to overlap and blend, especially given that the same lords tend to dominate both. This allows for a high degree of economic mobilization, and for much social welfare, but does limit private initiative greatly.

How's that?

[GBW]

Very interesting. All three are from different TLs with PODs that seperate them, right? If so, then these three should be fine. Look at the 'Maps & Listing of Countries' thread for an idea on how to make them "official".

[Aedh Rua]

Different TLs, yes, but from more or less the same group of TLs. NA 2 and Europe 6 are separated by the accidental death of a political figure named Wolcomaglos, in 1972. In NA 2, he died and has since become a cultural cult figure. In Europe 6, he survived, and proved to be a disappointment. It would be a lot like two non-contiguous pieces of the US showing up, one from OTL, and another from a world where Watergate never happened.

Oceania 12 diverged from the other two about 100 years back, with the rise of certain nationalist ideas in China, Japan, the Khrivichian Khaganate, and the Khushrevid Empire. These ideas eventually led to a series of world wars, which did not occur at all in the other two worlds. As a result, the Ulatis Windodengwijâs is more centralized, militarized, and able to deal with dangerous foreign neighbors. OTOH, it has much less cultural confidence, and is more torn by ethnic divisions.

They will be able to cooperate, especially economically, but they will have very different interests and agendas. Nouiolitawijâ will be fairly desperate, in ways that might make them aggressive, but Litawijâ will be very unwilling to back foreign adventures. And Windodengwijâ will likely relate more to those nearby nations that can trade with it. It could get complex, actually, since there are some conditions in which the three _might_ cooperate, if one or more were attacked, for example, and others in which they definitely will not.

[ConfederateFly]

Can I have NA 8 or if not NA 9

[G.Bone]

Confederate Fly
You can have both if you like but I put you down for NA 8.

Again, my apologies to Beck Reilly for not listing your choice. The latest map is saved in .bmp instead of .jpg and I had a hard time loading it up to Photobucket.

Anyhow, here is an updated map of countries taken. All those not in black are not taken.

http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v47/foolicooli/test44.jpg

[ConfederateFly]

Can I call it the Southwestern Dixie

[GBW]

Can I have NA 8?

DuQuense asked this earlier, we'll have to see if he still wants it. North America 9 is still open though.

[G.Bone]

errr...GBW...isn't that the same guy?

[GBW]

errr...GBW...isn't that the same guy?

:confused: DuQuense and ConfederateFly? DuQuense asked for North America 8 earlier and then asked for Africa 5 and 6 later on (BTW, people are allowed to have two regions on the same continent now?). Then ConfederateFly asked for NA 8 or, if not, NA 9.

Also, didn't Aedh Rua only take NA 2 along with the regions in Europe and Oceania?

[DuQuense]

Yes I want NA 8. I'd already posted my ISOT. CF would be happier with NA9 anyway.

[DuQuense]

Are whe going to have a list of who got what? Listed Numberically? please

[DuQuense]

If whe can have Two on a Continent and whe are still passing them out ?Can I have Europe 4 & 10? pretty please? :D

[Imajin]

Hm, shouldnt Asia 14 be blacked out? I had claimed it earlier...

[God_of_Belac]

If we're handing out 4ths, can I have Europe 5? (Iberia, I believe).

This'll be a complex one:

Navarra (plus Euskadi, and the three French provinces)
Catalonia (British client state)
Leon (majority-Christian province, recent successful revolution)
Valencia, Granada, and Al-Tagus (Not one, not two, but three muslim states)

POD is the draw at Poitiers I posted a while back in the main forum, with lots of interesting other stuff happening (Basques will be Basques, even if they're Muslim, and British will be British, even if they remain Catholic).

[G.Bone]

Sorry about the mix up and the lack of picking up previous unlogged countries. As an amendment to my previous 'suggestion', having two countries on the same continent is allowed, as so long as you can manage them. If you cannot manage 4 countries on your own, or find that you dislike your neighbor, you can 'trade' with those who want them. Here is a list of all claimed nations by the posters in this thread. As in the case of DuQuense's Africa 5/6, that too is allowed, as so long as they both don't have the manpower to take over half the continent. They have to stay limited to a good size that allows for good ...role playing...with the rest of the players. With that said, here is the list of the claimed nations.

Imagin- Asia 14, Europe 7, NA 10, NA 2
DuQuense- Europe 4, Europe 10, NA 8, Africa 5/6
Confederate Fly- NA 9
Aedh Rua- NA 2, Europe 6, Oceania 12
Gedca- Middle East 2
God of Belac- Europe 5, NA 6, NA 4, Australia 10, ME 3
tom- Europe 19, Europe 3, Asia 10
Beck Reilly- Oceania 11, North America 6, Africa 21
The Lone Amigo- NA 11, Oceania 9, Europe 7, Africa 18
Justin Green-
GBW- Antartica
Diamond - Oceania 7, Oceania 1, NA 14
Straha - NA 12
(Me)- Oceania 13, SA 9, Asia 15
WngMasterD- Oceania 14, Europe 16, Europe 7
Marius- Africa 20

[Landshark]

I'd like to put in for the Iberian Peninsular if it's still available.

[tom]

All those not in black are not taken.

I think you meant they ARE taken :-)

Aedh Rua:
BRILLIANT!! I am so glad to see some "subbranches" of an ATL! Finally someone thought of several different TLs with the same PoD from OTL, but different PoDs from each other! That will cut down the "chronocentric" nature of SME around OTL.

[tom]

Houston, we have a problem...
I just noticed my "listing". I claimed Europe 19 (from Castro) and NA 5 (from Mithras), I have no other plans to claim more (unless you want aesops). Who has Europe 3 and Asia 10?

[GBW]

I also claimed North America 6 and Africa 19. In fact, I've already listed Africa 19 in Listings of Countries.

[fred_smith]

Could I take Greenland?

[Diamond]

G.Bone: I don't remember taking Oceania 7...

I think 2 states is all I'll be able to realistically handle.

My 2 picks were:

Oceania 1 (OTL Philippines/ATL New Hebrides)
North America 14 (OTL Caribbean/ATL Kingdom of Hispaniola)

[God_of_Belac]

I shouldn't have NA 6. I traded it for NA 4 back when we couldn't have more than one territory/continent, and I used up the idea that would have gone there.

[G.Bone]

Imagin- Asia 14, Europe 7, NA 10, NA 2
DuQuense- Europe 4, Europe 10, NA 8, Africa 5/6
Confederate Fly- NA 9
Aedh Rua- NA 2, Europe 6, Oceania 12
Gedca- Middle East 2
God of Belac- Europe 5, NA 4, Australia 10, ME 3
tom- Europe 19, NA 5
Beck Reilly- Oceania 11, North America 6, Africa 21
The Lone Amigo- NA 11, Oceania 9, Europe 7, Africa 18
Justin Green-
GBW- Antartica, NA 6, Africa 19
Diamond - Oceania 1, NA 14
Straha - NA 12
(Me)- Oceania 13, SA 9, Asia 15
WngMasterD- Oceania 14, Europe 16, Europe 7
fred smith- Greenland
Marius- Africa 20

Up for grabs: Europe 3, Asia 10, Oceania 7

[Landshark]

South America 5.

[Beck Reilly]

Both GBW and I have North America 6 on your list.

[Imajin]

I shouldnt have NA2, I gave it up when I discovered we could only have one reigon per continent... And my idea for it was bad too...

[GBW]

Here is what I believe is an accurate list of who has what regions in SME:

Leej- NA7, Europe 3, Asia 10
God of Belac- NA 4, Oceania 10, ME 3, Europe 5
GBW- Antarctica, Africa 19, NA 6
Diamond- Oceania 1, NA 14
Straha- NA 12
Beck Reilly- Oceania 11, Africa 21
G.Bone- Oceania 13, SA 9, Asia 15
tom- NA 5, Europe 19
WngMasterD- Oceania 14, Europe 16
Marius- Africa 20
Imajin- Europe 7, NA 10, Asia 14
TheLoneAmigo- NA 11, Oceania 9, Africa 18
Justin Green- Europe 5
DuQuense- NA 8, Africa 5, Africa 6, Europe 4, Europe 10
Gedca- ME 2
Aedh Rua- NA 2, Europe 6, Oceania 12
ConfederateFly- NA 9
fred smith- NA 3
Landshark- SA 5

[G.Bone]

I'm willing to trade Asia 15 (aka, Japan) for SA 7. SA 7 will not be a seperate country but instead merged with SA 9.

Map based on GBW's list
http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v47/foolicooli/ooga.jpg

[ConfederateFly]

Can I have Africa 14 too

[Straha]

europe 13 if I cna have it

[DuQuense]

OTL in 77,000 BP ??? the Volcano Sumutra exploded, touching off world wide ecological disasters. It is estimated that 90% of the human race perished.

ATL The explosion was so great that the human race went extinct within 100 years of the event.
With No Native humans the ASB's [us] decided to run a Experiment , Unfortunally there were not enought ASB's interested so several areas were left as they were.

this means that they are basically in a state of nature, with no humans. Instead, Cave Bears, Mastadons, Sloths, Sabertooth Cats, Roam the Primival Forests. And with no Whaling to kill off the Pods, the Sperm and Blue Whales would still be plentiful mid Ocean. ?Conflict between the Anti Whaling Eco's and the pro Whaling Cultures?.

If You Like this Idea I have a Left Behind Story. What happened in the World My peice was Isoted From.

[GBW]

ConfederateFly and Straha: I don't see anything wrong with you two having those regions.

A question: should we have preliminary information on the 'countries' posted here for approval before they get posted at the Listings thread so that it won't get too cluttered? Perhaps the name long with the technology level, military strength and a brief history.

Just as a reminder, the accepted technology level can be as primitive as you want, but can only be 15-20 years into OTL's future. That includes fusion reactors that can be fueled by Helium-3, magnetic levitation trains, paper-thin video screens, etc. Certain aspects of future technologies should be explained and, if necessary, justified.

As for military strength, I think limits should be placed. For instance, we don't want any one country to have the strength to conquer the entirety of SME.

As for history, we've agreed that there can be only humans as intelligent species so no evolved dinosaurs or insects. Also, no 'magic' races such as elves, dragons, orcs, trolls, etc. In fact, no magic at all.

Does this about sum it up?

[Nosb]

may i have 20 and 12?

[GBW]

may i have 20 and 12?

Er... of what continent?

[Nosb]

Er... of what continent?

Upps, sorry. 20 in Europe, 12 in Asia

[GBW]

Upps, sorry. 20 in Europe, 12 in Asia

They're yours.

For all prospective SME participants, if a region is unclaimed you can have it. If it's already taken, I'm sure you'll be informed soon after. Check the latest list, map and/or posts to make sure which regions have been taken.

[DuQuense]

Unless Some one else is Interested I want to go ahead and Fill in Africa 1 & 10 { they will not be Hesperia 5 & 6}

[GBW]

Unless Some one else is Interested I want to go ahead and Fill in Africa 1 & 10 { they will not be Hesperia 5 & 6}

Are you sure? You already have 5 regions, are you going to be able to keep up with all of them?

[G.Bone]

Updated Map.

Note 1: I have not listed DuQuense's additional 2 regions. Once it is approved by the main body of players in SME, I will fill those regions in.

Note 2: I've lumped Taiwan in Asia 1 due to it's vicinity near that region. If any objection comes up, it'll be unfilled in the next map.

http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v47/foolicooli/booga.jpg

[tom]

If the Great Salt Lake is part of NA 5 (hard to tell looking at the map) I will put a "provisional" capital at Jeru (site of Salt Lake City). There was a "secondary" capitol there (the nations often have such secondary capitols in case anything Really Bad happens to the "real" one...a holdover from the War). If not, I will put it at OTL Denver and think up another name. Note that the sliver of New Leoland does not have either capitol transported, so New Saxonland will establish a "special relationship" with that area. Leader of New Saxonland will be the Deputy Premier or Vice President or whatever (forgot if I established the government that detailed earlier...I will check) and New Leoland is getting itself together "ad hoc".

[Landshark]

Can I put in a provisional claim for Europe 8 and Asia 15 before having a definate ATL for either?

[DuQuense]

Unless Some one else is Interested I want to go ahead and Fill in Africa 1 & 10 { they will not be Hesperia 5 & 6}

Are you sure? You already have 5 regions, are you going to be able to keep up with all of them?

I was putting in my request for when you start just assigning the areas. I do have a Idea for them.

Unless whe are going with my [77,000 bp sumutra extintion] for the unclaimed areas?

[Diamond]

I like DuQuense's idea for the unclaimed areas. It makes it A LOT easier if there are stragglers a few weeks from now that want to join.

[GBW]

I like DuQuense's idea too. It will also make for some interesting specimens for the zoos and scientists of the various SME nations who send expeditions.

[DuQuense]

Just tought of -- With NA 2 4 & 5 Bordering 1 whe have rush to new Borders Conflicts. Unless whe all agree to make it a National Park-- NOT

[GBW]

Can I put in a provisional claim for Europe 8 and Asia 15 before having a definate ATL for either?

Most of the people who have made claims haven't said anything of what they'll put there, so sure. In fact, a lot of people staked claims and haven't said anything since. Hopefully they'll continue with SME...

If they haven't posted their countries within a reasonable amount of time, should they be PMed to see if they're continuing?

[GBW]

Just tought of -- With NA 2 4 & 5 Bordering 1 whe have rush to new Borders Conflicts. Unless whe all agree to make it a National Park-- NOT

I'm sure any of the countries in those areas can decide to stake claims all they want... up until somebody else comes along and a new country takes over the place. In that case, all the people those countries sent there will be just gone.

Or maybe the ASBs set it up where permanent structures can't be built in those areas. If they set up something other than a tent, prefabricated building that can be taken apart easily, etc, then maybe it reappears just across the nearest border. If somebody decides to make a country in that area, then perhaps anybody in that area, as well as their equipment, from another country will suddenly reappear back in their own country. How's that?

[Diamond]

In fact, a lot of people staked claims and haven't said anything since. Hopefully they'll continue with SME...

If they haven't posted their countries within a reasonable amount of time, should they be PMed to see if they're continuing?

Yes. We need at least a cursory description of everyone's territories, so the rest of us have some idea of who our neighbors are.

On Dominus' Yahoo ICN group, some people never did give any descriptions, and I think thats a big part of why that whole thing fell apart.

What if we do like a two week time limit or something? If you haven't posted at least some minimal basic info 2 wks after you stake your territory, it reverts to unclaimed.

[Leej]

I'll put something in Australasia 8

[Nosb]

hmm...could i also have america 12 and africa 9?

[GBW]

hmm...could i also have america 12 and africa 9?

Africa 9 is good, but NA 12 is claimed by Straha.

[G.Bone]

Well...I have the map updated but photobucket isn't working. So all I have to add is that I'm lumping SA 8 to my Dominion of Chile-Argentina and that's all.

[G.Bone]

here it is!http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v47/foolicooli/wooga.jpg

[God_of_Belac]

What about the Crimea, then? Does anyone have Europe 18? (I'll take it if no one does).

Projected POD: Khazars convert to Shi'ism instead of Judaism; Magyars convert to Orthodox Christianity and fall out with the Emperor; Vladimir finds an 'alim who will allow alcohol consumption (not hard among the Sufis, and with possible Qur'anic backing) and becomes Shi'a. Novgorod disagrees.

[Landshark]

I put in for Asia 15, (which is Japan), which is still unmarked on the map. Has there been another mix up somewhere?

[Archangel Michael]

I'm back!

I'll take Europe 2, Africa 8, Middle East 7, and North America 13.

[GBW]

I'll additionally take South America 4 and 6 and Africa 4.

[Leej]

Woah peopel are getting loads..
How many are we taking now?

[Diamond]

Woah peopel are getting loads..
How many are we taking now?
I guess since there weren't as many people interested in SME as there were in the first one we're able to get more areas.
____________________________________

BTW, G.Bone/GBW, I guess I can do one more; I'll take Asia 1.
It'll be a descendent regime of the Golden Horde.

[DuQuense]

I see africa 1 & 10 are Blacked ?Was that my request?

Also last 2 if they are still being passed out. Africa 4 and NA 13 And Yes I do have ideas for them. Post this evening, am writing them rite now.

[Fearless Leader]

I'll take NA 1, and Middle East 7 for now...

[GBW]

I see africa 1 & 10 are Blacked ?Was that my request?

Also last 2 if they are still being passed out. Africa 4 and NA 13 And Yes I do have ideas for them. Post this evening, am writing them rite now.

Yeah, those were your requests as I recall.

Sorry, I just took Africa 4 and Mikey took NA 13.

[Beck Reilly]

I'll take Europe 9.

That should give me three countries, I believe: Europe 9, Africa 21, and Oceania 11.

[Tetsu]

I'll take North America 1 and Europe 1, if they aren't claimed.

EDIT: Nevermind, I see that Fearless_Leader already took NA 1. I guess that leaves me with Europe 1.

[DuQuense]

There is someting in Cartology about any map can be drawn with either 4 or 5 colors minimun. does any one out there have a better program then M icro S tupids Paint . Maybe with a better palatte. When this is all assigned we will need a map of the world. I would do it -except Im partly color blind [why all my maps, only use the bright neon colors].

[Diamond]

When this is all assigned we will need a map of the world. I would do it -except Im partly color blind [why all my maps, only use the bright neon colors].

I'll do a world map after everything's assigned and named. I'm going to put the name of each country and its owner on the map, if GBW or G.Bone can draw up a final comprehensive list of who's got what in a few days.

[GBW]

I'll do a world map after everything's assigned and named. I'm going to put the name of each country and its owner on the map, if GBW or G.Bone can draw up a final comprehensive list of who's got what in a few days.

I can do that, but everyone will have to say what their nation is in the regions they've taken, right? When should we start PMing them to see if they'll continue and the cut off time after that?

[DuQuense]

While if not Africa 4, then how about Africa 11. I like Africa.

[G.Bone]

updated map.
Again, black is for claimed.
http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v47/foolicooli/looga.jpg

@GBW
I say once the continent/region is filled, then PM them.

[DuQuense]

UH I have Africa 10, you missed me. I'm surprise no one has gone for a Muhammad Ali 1800's independent Eygpt.

[Diamond]

I wish Robert would get involved in this; the heart of his 'Surviving Ancient Egypt' is still unclaimed...

[American_Samurai]

Can I make a claim on #2 in South America

[Diamond]

Here's a directory of all the nations that have been described in at least some detail on the other thread. It doesn't include the zones that have been claimed but not described.

Antarctica: Republic of Yamania (GBW)
NA7: The Commonwealth (Leej)
Hawaii: Protectorate Kingdom of Hawaii (G.Bone)
AF19: Kingdom of Madagascar (GBW)
SA9: Dominion of Chile-Argentina, Dominion of the Falkland Islands (G.Bone)
NA8: Confederate States of America, Pacific Republic, Empire of Mexico (DuQuense)
EU7: Roman (Corsican) Empire (Imajin)
OC1: Republic of the New Hebrides (Diamond)
OC10: Republic of Australie (God of Belac)
NA4: Empire of California (God of Belac)
EU10: East Sweden (Finland) (DuQuense)
OC9: Dominion of Australia (Landshark)
EU5: Federated Sovereign Republics (FSR) of Spain (Justin Green)
EU20: Reichskommissariat Kaukasus (Nosb)
NA14: Kingdom of Hispaniola (Diamond)
OC8: 'post-apocalypse' Australia (Leej)
EU1: Iceland (tetsu-katana)
AF1: Spanish Morocco (DuQuense)
NA10: Southern Republic of America (Imajin)
AF10: Nigeria (DuQuense)

[DuQuense]

OK last last one Africa 2, POD different ending to congress of London in Africa 1. ie a pod of my first pod.

I still like my empty world idea for getting this game going.

[Leej]

I want Korea since it seems to be untaken!
Europe 17 also (there must be a Byzantium!)
(That'd bring me to 6 which most people seem to have)

[perdedor99]

Can I have Europe 12 and Asia 11? Also who have Japan?

[Landshark]

Actually my Dominion of Australia is South America 5. In it's own ATL it's an Anglophone version of Brazil. OTL Australia is Lusitania and Brazil is an Iberian dominion in North Oceania (OTL North America).

OC 9 is nothing to do with me.

[Landshark]

Can I have Europe 12 and Asia 11? Also who have Japan?

I have Japan but I haven't decided what to do with it yet.

[GBW]

Actually my Dominion of Australia is South America 5. In it's own ATL it's an Anglophone version of Brazil. OTL Australia is Lusitania and Brazil is an Iberian dominion in North Oceania (OTL North America).

It's in South America? This is why it's important for people to put the region in the 'Title' banner of the country they're posting in Listings. It's at the very top.

[Archangel Michael]

Hey, does anybody have South Georgia and the South Sandwhich Islands?

[Leej]

They are so small as to be counted under the falklands I'd think so yes someone has them.

[DuQuense]

?Does any one have Asia 2? I have a POD in Mind. will post when home from work.

[Landshark]

Europe 17 also (there must be a Byzantium!)

One of the first things I thought as well.

[G.Bone]

GBW: I have SA 7 & 8 and they are of the same Dominion of Chile-Argentina as SA 9, although at different times.

http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v47/foolicooli/eenie.jpg

[Landshark]

Imajin - Your Southern Republic isn't listed because I'm not sure of it's area code.

EUROPE

EU 1 Iceland (Norse Province) - tetsu-katana
EU 5 Federated Sovereign Republics of Spain - Justin Green
EU 7 The Roman Empire -Imajin
EU 10 East Sweden - DuQuense
EU 20 Reichskommissariat Kaukasus - NOSB

NORTH AMERICA

NA 4: The Empire of California - God of Belac
NA 7: The Commonwealth - Leej
NA 8: Confederate States of America, Pacific Republic, Empire of Mexico - DuQuense
NA 10: The Southern Republic - Imajin
NA 14: Kingdom of Hispaniola - Diamond

SOUTH AMERICA

SA 5: Dominion of Australia - Landshark
SA 7:
SA 8:
SA 9: Dominion of Chile-Argentina*, Dominion of the Falkland Islands - G.Bone

AFRICA

AF 1: Spanish Morocco - DuQuense
AF 10: Nigeria - DuQuense
AF 11: Congo - DuQuense
AF 19: Kingdom of Madagascar - GBW

ASIA

AS 1: Khaganate of Kirghiz - Diamond

OCEANIA

OC 1: Republic of the New Hebrides - Diamond
OC 8: Australia - Leej
OC 10: Australie (Republic of Australie) - God of Belac
OC 13: The Protectorate Kingdom of Hawaii - G.Bone

ANTARTICA

AN 1: Republic of Yamania - GBW

[Landshark]

GBW: I have SA 7 & 8 and they are of the same Dominion of Chile-Argentina as SA 9, although at different times.

I thought all mosaiced countries had to come from the exact same day?

[Imajin]

The Southern Republic in North America 10... I'd post the things for my Korea, but I'm still working on the name...

[Landshark]

The Southern Republic in North America 10... I'd post the things for my Korea, but I'm still working on the name...

Thanks I added it.

The full list should end up showing everything defined, claimed and vacant, but it'll have to wait for later.

[G.Bone]

yeah well...I can modify it later.

Oh and I don't own Madagascar. GBW has it.

[Landshark]

Oh and I don't own Madagascar. GBW has it.

Getting my guys who's names start with G mixed up :o

I've fixed it.

[G.Bone]

thanks.

*gives you a curious look on confusing me with GBW

also you need to erase the SRA (I altered it)

[Landshark]

you need to erase the SRA (I altered it)

Done. I've also erased the Outer Territories for the moment just in case you alter them as well.

[Diamond]

I'm working on a world map for SME; everybody that's participating, at least list the name of your country somewhere so I can put it and YOUR name on the map. If everyone can post that much, I can finish the world map today or tomorrow...

And as GBW said, please put the zone you're describing in the 'Title' section of your post: Africa 5, Europe 12, whatever, so I know where you nation is.

[Landshark]

I've been trying to come up with the list of who's got what but I keep hitting contradictions. I think I'm just going to stick with listed countries from now on.

[G.Bone]

Note: the / lists the nation in contention, so between those two posters has to decide which one takes it. also, I urge those whom have their nations in the clear to post the info on their regions within the other thread.
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EUROPE

EU 1: Iceland (Norse Province) - tetsu-katana
EU 2: Mikey
EU 3: Celtica - Leej
EU 4: DuQuense
EU 5: Federated Sovereign Republics of Spain - Justin Green
EU 6: Aedh Rua
EU 7: The Roman Empire -Imajin
EU 8:
EU 9: Becky Reilly
EU 10: East Sweden - DuQuense
EU 11:
EU 12: Kingdom of Italy - perdedor99
EU 13: straha
EU 14:
EU 15:
EU 16: WingMasterD
EU 17: Leej
EU 18: God of Belac
EU 19: tom
EU 20: Reichskommissariat Kaukasus - NOSB

NORTH AMERICA

NA 1: Fearless Leader
NA 2: Ulatis Nouiolitawijâs - Aedh Rua
NA 3: Fred Smith
NA 4: The Empire of California - God of Belac
NA 5: tom
NA 6: GBW
NA 7: The Commonwealth - Leej
NA 8: Confederate States of America, Pacific Republic, Empire of Mexico - DuQuense
NA 9: Confederate Fly
NA 10: The Southern Republic - Imajin
NA 11:
NA 12:
NA 13: The Lone Amigo /Mikey
NA 14: Kingdom of Hispaniola - Diamond


SOUTH AMERICA

SA 1:
SA 2: American Samurai / DuQuense
Note: Sorry DuQuense but since you got a whole lot of regions, this region is assigned to American Samurai
SA 3:
SA 4: GBW
SA 5: Dominion of Australia - Landshark
SA 6: GBW
SA 7: Dominion of Chile- Argentina
SA 8: Outer Territories - G.Bone
SA 9: Dominion of Chile-Argentina*, Dominion of the Falkland Islands - G.Bone

AFRICA

AF 1: Spanish Morocco - DuQuense
AF 2:
AF 3:
AF 4:
AF 5:
AF 6:
AF 7:
AF 8: Mikey
AF 9: Nosb
AF 10: Nigeria - DuQuense
AF 11: Congo - DuQuense
AF 12:
AF 13:
AF 14: Confederate Fly
AF 15:
AF 16:
AF 17:
AF 18: The Lone Amigo
AF 19: Kingdom of Madagascar - GBW
AF 20: marius
AF 21: Becky Reilly

MIDDLE EAST

ME 1:
ME 2: Gedca
ME 3: God of Belac
ME 4:
ME 5:
ME 6:
ME 7: Mikey / Fearless Leader

ASIA

AS 1: Khaganate of Kirghiz - Diamond
AS 2:
AS 3:
AS 4:
AS 5:
AS 6:
AS 7:
AS 8:
AS 9:
AS 10:
AS 11: perdedor99
AS 12: Nosb
AS 13:
AS 14: Leej
AS 15: Landshark

OCEANIA

OC 1: Republic of the New Hebrides - Diamond
OC 2:
OC 3:
OC 4:
OC 5:
OC 6:
OC 7:
OC 8: Australia - Leej
OC 9: The Lone Amigo
OC 10: Australie (Republic of Australie) - God of Belac
OC 11: Becky Reilly
OC 12: Aedh Rua
OC 13: The Protectorate Kingdom of Hawaii - G.Bone
OC 14: WngMasterD
OC 15:
OC 16:

ANTARTICA

AN 1: Republic of Yamania - GBW

[Imajin]

Didn't I have Asia 14?

[Straha]

europe 13:Yugoslavian Commune
NA 12: Maiyya Sultanate

[Landshark]

Thank you.

[Straha]

Thank you.
I'll try to get the TL by tommorow for both because from wednsday on I won't be able to get to the forum until the 31st.

[Imajin]

I think I might take Polynesia... I think I might be able to handle a fourth..

[Aedh Rua]

I'll grab EU 11, to create the Rigion Noraci (KIngdom of Noracon)

[American_Samurai]

If it remains unclaimed can I have Asia number 13.

[G.Bone]

pleh. come back and already improvements needed. map will be up soon.

@Landshark
Your welcome

@Imajin
consult the list and PM the guy listed to see if you want to swap regions or just jun-kena-po (aka rock paper scissors) with him.

EUROPE

EU 1: Iceland (Norse Province) - tetsu-katana
EU 2: Mikey
EU 3: Celtica - Leej
EU 4: DuQuense
EU 5: Federated Sovereign Republics of Spain - Justin Green
EU 6: Aedh Rua
EU 7: The Roman Empire -Imajin
EU 8:
EU 9: Becky Reilly
EU 10: East Sweden - DuQuense
EU 11: Rigion Noraci (KIngdom of Noracon)- Aedh Rua
EU 12: Kingdom of Italy - perdedor99
EU 13: Yugoslavian Commune - straha
EU 14:
EU 15:
EU 16: WingMasterD
EU 17: Leej
EU 18: God of Belac
EU 19: tom
EU 20: Reichskommissariat Kaukasus - NOSB

NORTH AMERICA

NA 1: Fearless Leader
NA 2: Ulatis Nouiolitawijâs - Aedh Rua
NA 3: Fred Smith
NA 4: The Empire of California - God of Belac
NA 5: tom
NA 6: GBW
NA 7: The Commonwealth - Leej
NA 8: Confederate States of America, Pacific Republic, Empire of Mexico - DuQuense
NA 9: Confederate Fly
NA 10: The Southern Republic - Imajin
NA 11: Mikey
NA 12: Maiyya Sultanate- Straha
NA 13: The Lone Amigo /Mikey
NA 14: Kingdom of Hispaniola - Diamond


SOUTH AMERICA

SA 1: Columbian Republic, OSA - G.Bone
SA 2: American Samurai / DuQuense
Note: Sorry DuQuense but since you got a whole lot of regions, this region is assigned to American Samurai
SA 3: Guyanuan Federated Republic, OSA- G.Bone
SA 4: GBW
SA 5: Dominion of Australia - Landshark
SA 6: GBW
SA 7: Dominion of Chile- Argentina
SA 8: Outer Territories - G.Bone
SA 9: Dominion of Chile-Argentina*, Dominion of the Falkland Islands - G.Bone

AFRICA

AF 1: Spanish Morocco - DuQuense
AF 2:
AF 3:
AF 4:
AF 5: Hesperia- DuQuense
AF 6: Hesperia- DuQuense
AF 7:
AF 8: Mikey
AF 9: Nosb
AF 10: Nigeria - DuQuense
AF 11: Congo - DuQuense
AF 12:
AF 13:
AF 14: Confederate Fly
AF 15:
AF 16:
AF 17:
AF 18: The Lone Amigo
AF 19: Kingdom of Madagascar - GBW
AF 20: marius
AF 21: Becky Reilly

MIDDLE EAST

ME 1:
ME 2: Gedca
ME 3: God of Belac
ME 4:
ME 5:
ME 6:
ME 7: Mikey / Fearless Leader

ASIA

AS 1: Khaganate of Kirghiz - Diamond
AS 2: Siberia- DuQuense
AS 3:
AS 4:
AS 5:
AS 6:
AS 7:
AS 8:
AS 9:
AS 10:
AS 11: perdedor99
AS 12: Nosb
AS 13: American Samurai
AS 14: Leej/ Imagin
AS 15: Landshark

OCEANIA

OC 1: Republic of the New Hebrides - Diamond
OC 2:
OC 3: Republic of the New Hebrides- Diamond
OC 4:
OC 5:
OC 6:
OC 7: Australia- G.Bone
OC 8: Australia - Leej
OC 9: The Lone Amigo
OC 10: Australie (Republic of Australie) - God of Belac
OC 11: Becky Reilly
OC 12: Aedh Rua
OC 13: The Protectorate Kingdom of Hawaii - G.Bone
OC 14: WngMasterD
OC 15:
OC 16:

ANTARTICA

AN 1: Republic of Yamania - GBW

[DuQuense]

I Have Af 5 & 6 Hesperia [2 very close timelimes]

[G.Bone]

http://img16.photobucket.com/albums/v47/foolicooli/fustration.jpg

[Landshark]

Latest List of the Listed:

EUROPE

EU 1 Iceland (Norse Province) - tetsu-katana
EU 2
EU 3 Celtica - Leej
EU 4
EU 5 Federated Sovereign Republics of Spain - Justin Green
EU 6 Rigion Litawijâs - Aedh Rua
EU 7 The Roman Empire -Imajin
EU 8:
EU 9:
EU 10: East Sweden - DuQuense
EU 11: Rîgion Noraci (Kingdom of Noracon) - Aedh Rua
EU 12: Kingdom of Italy - perdedor99
EU 13:
EU 14:
EU 15:
EU 16:
EU 17:
EU 18:
EU 19:
EU 20: Reichskommissariat Kaukasus - NOSB

NORTH AMERICA

NA 1:
NA 2: Ulatis Nouiolitawijâs - Aedh Rua
NA 3:
NA 4: The Empire of California - God of Belac
NA 5:
NA 6:
NA 7: The Commonwealth - Leej
NA 8: Confederate States of America, Pacific Republic, Empire of Mexico - DuQuense
NA 9:
NA 10: The Southern Republic - Imajin
NA 11:
NA 12: Sultanate of Maiyya - Straha
NA 13:
NA 14: Kingdom of Hispaniola - Diamond


SOUTH AMERICA

SA 1: Columbian Republic, OSA - G.Bone
SA 2: Amazonia - American Samurai
SA 3: Guyanuan Federated Republic, OSA - G.Bone
SA 4:
SA 5: Dominion of Australia - Landshark
SA 6:
SA 7: Dominion of Chile-Argentina - G.Bone
SA 8: Outer Territories - G.Bone
SA 9: Dominion of Chile-Argentina*, Dominion of the Falkland Islands - G.Bone

AFRICA

AF 1: Spanish Morocco - DuQuense
AF 2: Italian Libya - DuQuense
AF 3:
AF 4:
AF 5:
AF 6:
AF 7:
AF 8:
AF 9:
AF 10: Nigeria - DuQuense
AF 11: Congo - DuQuense
AF 12:
AF 13:
AF 14:
AF 15:
AF 16:
AF 17:
AF 18:
AF 19: Kingdom of Madagascar - GBW
AF 20: The Federal Republic of the Cape of Good Hope - Marius
AF 21:

MIDDLE EAST

ME 1:
ME 2:
ME 3:
ME 4:
ME 5:
ME 6:
ME 7:
ASIA

AS 1: Khaganate of Kirghiz - Diamond
AS 2: Siberia - DuQuense
AS 3:
AS 4:
AS 5:
AS 6:
AS 7:
AS 8:
AS 9:
AS 10:
AS 11: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Empire of Japan - perdedor99
AS 12:
AS 13:
AS 14: Joeson Jeguk - Imajin
AS 15:

OCEANIA

OC 1: Republic of the New Hebrides - Diamond
OC 2:
OC 3: Provinces of Kalimantan and Java - Diamond
OC 4:
OC 5:
OC 6:
OC 7: Australia - G.Bone
OC 8: Australia - Leej
OC 9:
OC 10: Australie (Republic of Australie) - God of Belac
OC 11:
OC 12: Ulatis Windodengwijâs, Toutâ Awaicon - Aedh Rua
OC 13: The Protectorate Kingdom of Hawaii - G.Bone
OC 14:
OC 15:
OC 16:

ANTARTICA

AN 1: Republic of Yamania - GBW

[Landshark]

Who's got Oceania 2?
Provisional claim on Asia 9.

[Imajin]

Has Oceania 15 been claimed yet? It doesnt appear to have been... if not, I'm putting in a claim on it.

[G.Bone]

-> sorry Landshark

EUROPE

EU 1 Iceland (Norse Province) - tetsu-katana
EU 2
EU 3 Celtica - Leej
EU 4
EU 5 Federated Sovereign Republics of Spain - Justin Green
EU 6 Rigion Litawijâs - Aedh Rua
EU 7 The Roman Empire -Imajin
EU 8:
EU 9:
EU 10: East Sweden - DuQuense
EU 11: Rîgion Noraci (Kingdom of Noracon) - Aedh Rua
EU 12: Kingdom of Italy - perdedor99
EU 13:
EU 14:
EU 15:
EU 16:
EU 17:
EU 18:
EU 19:
EU 20: Reichskommissariat Kaukasus - NOSB

NORTH AMERICA

NA 1:
NA 2: Ulatis Nouiolitawijâs - Aedh Rua
NA 3:
NA 4: The Empire of California - God of Belac
NA 5:
NA 6:
NA 7: The Commonwealth - Leej
NA 8: Confederate States of America, Pacific Republic, Empire of Mexico - DuQuense
NA 9:
NA 10: The Southern Republic - Imajin
NA 11:
NA 12: Sultanate of Maiyya - Straha
NA 13:
NA 14: Kingdom of Hispaniola - Diamond


SOUTH AMERICA

SA 1: Columbian Republic, OSA - G.Bone
SA 2: Amazonia - American Samurai
SA 3: Guyanuan Federated Republic, OSA - G.Bone
SA 4:
SA 5: Dominion of Australia - Landshark
SA 6:
SA 7: Dominion of Chile-Argentina - G.Bone
SA 8: Outer Territories - G.Bone
SA 9: Dominion of Chile-Argentina*, Dominion of the Falkland Islands - G.Bone

AFRICA

AF 1: Spanish Morocco - DuQuense
AF 2: Italian Libya - DuQuense
AF 3:
AF 4:
AF 5:
AF 6:
AF 7:
AF 8:
AF 9:
AF 10: Nigeria - DuQuense
AF 11: Congo - DuQuense
AF 12:
AF 13:
AF 14:
AF 15:
AF 16:
AF 17:
AF 18:
AF 19: Kingdom of Madagascar - GBW
AF 20: The Federal Republic of the Cape of Good Hope - Marius
AF 21:

MIDDLE EAST

ME 1:
ME 2:
ME 3:
ME 4:
ME 5:
ME 6:
ME 7:
ASIA

AS 1: Khaganate of Kirghiz - Diamond
AS 2: Siberia - DuQuense
AS 3:
AS 4:
AS 5:
AS 6:
AS 7:
AS 8:
AS 9: Landshark
AS 10:
AS 11: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Empire of Japan - perdedor99
AS 12:
AS 13:
AS 14: Joeson Jeguk - Imajin
AS 15:

OCEANIA

OC 1: Republic of the New Hebrides - Diamond
OC 2: (also Diamond's)
OC 3: Provinces of Kalimantan and Java - Diamond
OC 4:
OC 5:
OC 6:
OC 7: Australia - G.Bone
OC 8: Australia - Leej
OC 9:
OC 10: Australie (Republic of Australie) - God of Belac
OC 11:
OC 12: Ulatis Windodengwijâs, Toutâ Awaicon - Aedh Rua
OC 13: The Protectorate Kingdom of Hawaii - G.Bone
OC 14:
OC 15: Imajin
OC 16:

ANTARTICA

AN 1: Republic of Yamania - GBW

[Landshark]

AF 9: Landshark

AS 9 G.Bonehead, in Asia! Everything they say about Americans and geography is true isn't.

[American_Samurai]

Just to clarify things. in one listing I have "Ownership" of Asia 13, but in the next listing I don't. The question remains, is Asia 13 mine or not.

[Diamond]

You have me listed as having Oceania 2... I don't. Just OC 1 & 3.

[Landshark]

Claim for Oceania 2!

[G.Bone]

My bad. Thought you wanted Java and Borneo.

EUROPE

EU 1 Iceland (Norse Province) - tetsu-katana
EU 2
EU 3 Celtica - Leej
EU 4
EU 5 Federated Sovereign Republics of Spain - Justin Green
EU 6 Rigion Litawijâs - Aedh Rua
EU 7 The Roman Empire -Imajin
EU 8:
EU 9:
EU 10: East Sweden - DuQuense
EU 11: Rîgion Noraci (Kingdom of Noracon) - Aedh Rua
EU 12: Kingdom of Italy - perdedor99
EU 13:
EU 14:
EU 15:
EU 16:
EU 17:
EU 18:
EU 19:
EU 20: Reichskommissariat Kaukasus - NOSB

NORTH AMERICA

NA 1:
NA 2: Ulatis Nouiolitawijâs - Aedh Rua
NA 3:
NA 4: The Empire of California - God of Belac
NA 5:
NA 6:
NA 7: The Commonwealth - Leej
NA 8: Confederate States of America, Pacific Republic, Empire of Mexico - DuQuense
NA 9:
NA 10: The Southern Republic - Imajin
NA 11:
NA 12: Sultanate of Maiyya - Straha
NA 13:
NA 14: Kingdom of Hispaniola - Diamond


SOUTH AMERICA

SA 1: Columbian Republic, OSA - G.Bone
SA 2: Amazonia - American Samurai
SA 3: Guyanuan Federated Republic, OSA - G.Bone
SA 4:
SA 5: Dominion of Australia - Landshark
SA 6:
SA 7: Dominion of Chile-Argentina - G.Bone
SA 8: Outer Territories - G.Bone
SA 9: Dominion of Chile-Argentina*, Dominion of the Falkland Islands - G.Bone

AFRICA

AF 1: Spanish Morocco - DuQuense
AF 2: Italian Libya - DuQuense
AF 3:
AF 4:
AF 5:
AF 6:
AF 7:
AF 8:
AF 9:
AF 10: Nigeria - DuQuense
AF 11: Congo - DuQuense
AF 12:
AF 13:
AF 14:
AF 15:
AF 16:
AF 17:
AF 18:
AF 19: Kingdom of Madagascar - GBW
AF 20: The Federal Republic of the Cape of Good Hope - Marius
AF 21:

MIDDLE EAST

ME 1:
ME 2:
ME 3:
ME 4:
ME 5:
ME 6:
ME 7:
ASIA

AS 1: Khaganate of Kirghiz - Diamond
AS 2: Siberia - DuQuense
AS 3:
AS 4:
AS 5:
AS 6:
AS 7:
AS 8:
AS 9: Landshark
AS 10:
AS 11: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Empire of Japan - perdedor99
AS 12:
AS 13:
AS 14: Joeson Jeguk - Imajin
AS 15:

OCEANIA

OC 1: Republic of the New Hebrides - Diamond
OC 2: Landshark
OC 3: Provinces of Kalimantan and Java - Diamond
OC 4:
OC 5:
OC 6:
OC 7: Australia - G.Bone
OC 8: Australia - Leej
OC 9:
OC 10: Australie (Republic of Australie) - God of Belac
OC 11:
OC 12: Ulatis Windodengwijâs, Toutâ Awaicon - Aedh Rua
OC 13: The Protectorate Kingdom of Hawaii - G.Bone
OC 14:
OC 15: Imajin
OC 16:

ANTARTICA

AN 1: Republic of Yamania - GBW

[Diamond]

My bad. Thought you wanted Java and Borneo.

Are you talking to me? I DO want Java and Borneo; they're Oceania 3. :)

Oceania 2 is the lower part of the Kra isthmus/peninsula and western Malaysia.

[Aedh Rua]

Any way I can add NA 1 to my list? It's not going to be a nation, really, but a vast wilderness area. The POD is sometime in the Cambrian, but exactly what happened or didn't is frankly unknowable. Presumably some of the various Burgess Shale critters worked out differently. The climate, however, is essentially identical to that of the region OTL.

Anyway, the result is an ecosystem more or less the same as Robert Charles Wilson's novel _Darwinia_, with a number of additions of my own. Essentially, invertebrates with ventral nerve cords have colonized the land, giving rise to elabortate and dangerous ecosystems. Most of them are primitive but warm "blooded".

A few typical animals include:

Foot long, highly venemous centipede-like things. They live only for a season, but lay clutches of eggs that wait out the winter and hatch in the spring.

"Bush-cattle". Six legged, large clumsy animals more like big grubs than anything else. They travel in herds, but are too stupid for the herds to have much structure. They are also egg-layers, and depend for their survival on a high rate of reproduction combined with their size. They are mostly found on the prairies, which, btw, are surfaced with a reed-like plant unrelated to grass.

"Bush-deer". A relative of bush-cattle, with stronger front and back limbs, and middle limbs that are shorter and designed to aid in climbing. They also travel in small herds, and are a bit more intelligent and agile than their plains-dwelling cousins. Various species are adapted to forests, mountains, and taiga.

Stump-runners. A species of primitive, voracious social insect that nest in the stumps of dead trees, and in underground hives beneath such stumps. They hibernate through the winter. They are vicious, highly poisonsous, and nobody likes them. There is also a prairie-dwelling version.

Bug-bears. A large, furry, insect-like omnivore. Also six legged, they move about like bears, but are better at climbing. They bear their young live, and, despite their name, have an endoskeleton. Like bears, they are mostly solitary creatures.

Beetle-cats. So called from their large mandibles, these are the size of big cats, six legged, furred, very agile, fairly smart, and very, very dangerous. Like cougars, they bear their young live, and are territorial. Unlike cougars, they mate casually, and do not form even temporary mated pairs. They are pure carnivores, and have extremely sharp claws. A specialized species of these creatures is the dominant carnivore of the prairies.

Vermin-wolves. So called because they are carnivores who go in groups, vermin-wolves are actually a good bit smaller, and more primitive than their namesakes. Their troops are nothing like packs, being more like small swarms hatched from the same clutch of eggs. Vicious creatures with sharp, if not terribly large mandibles, they tend to eat anything that looks remotely like food. Although abysmally stupid, they have very sharp senses. They mate in the fall and lay eggs, which hatch in the spring.

Swamp-wallows. A relative of bush-cattle adapted to swamps and lowlands, they resemble six-legged pigs. Instead of tusks they have mandibles, and front legs adapted to digging. They mostly eat tubers and swamp vegetation, but can eat meat, and will rarely pass up the chance to snack on a tasty human.

Moth-hawks. Nearly brainless flyers, there are both herbervorous and canivorous species. Few are of any danger to humans. They can, however be hunted easily, and make for edible, if not very palatable food.

There are untapped oil deposits and mineral reserves in NA 1, but they are not in exactly the same places as in OTL. Getting to them will require a difficult trek across a wilderness worse than any in our own history. Claiming the area on a map will be very easy, but actually exploiting or settling it will be extremely hard.

Also, at various places in the wilderness are ruins. Unlike in _Darwinia_ these ruins are wholly uninhabited, and have been for many thousands of years. Vast cities of low, regular, identical buidlings made of cyclopian masonry, they hold no art, no technology, and no tombs. Careful excavation _might_ reveal something about the builders and their mechanical, only semi-intelligent civilization. Not that there is much to know.

[Faeelin]

I'd like to grab EU 15. However, since I'd like to carry it from the Prince of Peace TL, and that timeline's way ahead of us...

Any thoughts?

[Landshark]

Aedh may I say on behalf of us all:

GACK :eek:

I say you only get NA2 if you agree to build a big freaking wall around the place.

Giant bugs....yuck,yuck,yuck.

[Aedh Rua]

Aedh may I say on behalf of us all:

GACK :eek:

I say you only get NA2 if you agree to build a big freaking wall around the place.

Giant bugs....yuck,yuck,yuck.

That was NA 1. I'm happy to let it go. It is just a big, nasty, wilderness, after all. Full of giant creatures somewhat resembling bugs.

[DuQuense]

I thought we had a 10.000 BP time limit.

[DuQuense]

Lets have Aedh Rua NA 1 . A area like that would serve to unite everyone else in the world. My what safari es We would have.

[Aedh Rua]

I thought we had a 10.000 BP time limit.

Ah, that's right. Well, shot down on two grounds, then. At least I still have my other countries.........

[Diamond]

I'd like to grab EU 15. However, since I'd like to carry it from the Prince of Peace TL, and that timeline's way ahead of us...

Any thoughts?

Good question. I guess you could do what several of us have done in other TL's: Have a nuclear/biological/whatever war a century or two ago, and your world is just now climbing back to something approaching the 20th century. (Like Tom's Mithras TL) Doesn't mean thats what you have to do in PoP, but it would serve for SME.

BTW, I wondered when you were going to chime in here; you had a couple good nations in the first ME as I recall...

[Landshark]

Latest List of the Listed:

EUROPE

EU 1 Iceland (Norse Province) - tetsu-katana
EU 2
EU 3 Celtica - Leej
EU 4
EU 5 Federated Sovereign Republics of Spain - Justin Green
EU 6 Rigion Litawijâs - Aedh Rua
EU 7 The Roman Empire -Imajin
EU 8:
EU 9: The Union of Visegrád ( The Republic of Germany) - Beck Reilly
EU 10: East Sweden - DuQuense
EU 11: Rîgion Noraci (Kingdom of Noracon) - Aedh Rua
EU 12: Kingdom of Italy - perdedor99
EU 13:
EU 14:
EU 15:
EU 16:
EU 17:
EU 18:
EU 19: Russia, "here" or various - tom
EU 20: Reichskommissariat Kaukasus - Nosb

NORTH AMERICA

NA 1:
NA 2: Ulatis Nouiolitawijâs - Aedh Rua
NA 3:
NA 4: The Empire of California - God of Belac
NA 5: New Saxonland & New Leoland - tom
NA 6: Industrial States of America - GBW
NA 7: The Commonwealth - Leej
NA 8: Confederate States of America, Pacific Republic, Empire of Mexico - DuQuense
NA 9: Southwestern Confederate Republic - Confederatefly
NA 10: The Southern Republic - Imajin
NA 11:
NA 12: Sultanate of Maiyya - Straha
NA 13:
NA 14: Kingdom of Hispaniola - Diamond


SOUTH AMERICA

SA 1: Columbian Republic, OSA - G.Bone
SA 2: Amazonia - American Samurai
SA 3: Guyanuan Federated Republic, OSA - G.Bone
SA 4:
SA 5: Dominion of Australia - Landshark
SA 6:
SA 7: Dominion of Chile-Argentina - G.Bone
SA 8: Outer Territories - G.Bone
SA 9: Dominion of Chile-Argentina*, Dominion of the Falkland Islands - G.Bone

AFRICA

AF 1: Spanish Morocco - DuQuense
AF 2: Italian Libya - DuQuense
AF 3:
AF 4: Empire of Songhai - GBW
AF 5: Hesperia(a) - DuQuense
AF 6: Hesperia(b) - DuQuense
AF 7:
AF 8:
AF 9:
AF 10: Nigeria - DuQuense
AF 11: Congo - DuQuense
AF 12:
AF 13:
AF 14: Georgian Congo - Confederatefly
AF 15:
AF 16:
AF 17:
AF 18:
AF 19: Kingdom of Madagascar - GBW
AF 20: The Federal Republic of the Cape of Good Hope - Marius
AF 21: The Union of South Africa - Beck Reilly

MIDDLE EAST

ME 1:
ME 2:
ME 3:
ME 4:
ME 5:
ME 6:
ME 7:
ASIA

AS 1: Khaganate of Kirghiz - Diamond
AS 2: Siberia - DuQuense
AS 3:
AS 4:
AS 5:
AS 6:
AS 7:
AS 8:
AS 9:
AS 10:
AS 11: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, Empire of Japan - perdedor99
AS 12:
AS 13:
AS 14: Joeson Jeguk - Imajin
AS 15: Empire of Japan - perdedor99

OCEANIA

OC 1: Republic of the New Hebrides - Diamond
OC 2:
OC 3: Provinces of Kalimantan and Java - Diamond
OC 4:
OC 5:
OC 6:
OC 7: Australia - G.Bone
OC 8: Australia - Leej
OC 9:
OC 10: Australie (Republic of Australie) - God of Belac
OC 11: The Commonwealth of Tasmania - Beck Reilly
OC 12: Ulatis Windodengwijâs, Toutâ Awaicon - Aedh Rua
OC 13: The Protectorate Kingdom of Hawaii - G.Bone
OC 14:
OC 15:
OC 16:

ANTARTICA

AN 1: Republic of Yamania - GBW

[Aedh Rua]

No, I'm not trying to claim it. But, it is my closest neighbor, and I'm wondering what is going to be there. I think GBW claimed it. Any idea what I will have on my border?

[Landshark]

IIRC GBW's got SA 4 & 6 as well. As the latter borders my SA5 I'm of course interested in what he's planning for them.

[DuQuense]

AFR 3- I'm surprised no one has taken it, Eygpt seems a easy one.

[DuQuense]

?Who has It? and any idea what is going there?. I want to negotiate a Mag-Lev route to Texas, & the Gulf.

[Diamond]

AFR 3- I'm surprised no one has taken it, Eygpt seems a easy one.

I'd take it, but I think I'm going to have all I can handle with the three I've already got... :p

I wonder what a 21st century Mameluke Sultanate would look like?

[DuQuense]

OCE 2 new Zealand not taken - Almost claimed by France IOTL what if it was?

OCE 14,15, 16, Which one has New Caldonia- There was a Sugesstion back in the 70's to put all the Boat people there, a New Vietnam. The others How about a Imperial Germany Keeps its' South Pacific.

ME 1 how about a independent Kurdistan?

For other ME how about a Surviving Ottoman Empire. Or the Shah not over thrown. ?Fundimentalist Saudi Republic? Israil & Lebanon US States. Syria/Iraq one Country. Mid East where they never discovered the Oil.

[DuQuense]

13 Domonio thery correct thialand went commie/, China owned in 1900's, Nationals retreated there./French never left/Vietnam war still going on.

5 Czar still around [or came back/ OTL Russia broke up farthur/

6 Tamerlane's empire/ Khan's/ Dali Lami went Militaristic/Greater Tibetian Empire

7-8 Mugals still around/ france took India/ british still hold it/'48 India broke up into princely states. / India leader in Space

[Leej]

How have I suddenly lost Korea?
I thought I had Korea, I am on writing something up for it.

[perdedor99]

who has them? What going on in that areas? Just need to know who are my possible new friends and my possible new enemies.

[tom]

I see most of the world is described, at least outside the Middle East.
Aedh Rua (BTW, where do you get that name? I have to cut and paste a name that short :o ) had a PoD I've long been fascinated with...maybe he/she ( :o ) can do something with it somewhere else!

[Landshark]

OCE 2 new Zealand not taken - Almost claimed by France IOTL what if it was?

New Zealand is Oceania 12 and it was claimed by Aedh Rua ages ago, in fact there's a full listing for the place.

DuQuense you do know you've already got nine countries to your name?

[tom]

Maybe he is independently wealthy so has 24 hours a day available?
Seriously, I really hope he is not just blocking out a lot of countries with no ability to manage them...that's not fair to anyone, either propective players (who may not get the country they want) or actual ones (who will likely have an inactive neighbor).

[Imajin]

Leej: It had already been claimed by me when you claimed it, the map had a mistake...

And I assumed Melanasia had New Caledonia, Vanatu, Solomon Islands, and Fiji, while Polynesia had Easter Island, Samoa, Tonga, Marquesas, and French Polynesia....

[DuQuense]

Those were suguestions NOT asking fors, I've got more than enuff. Am starting to write my stories, ?Any idea when the EVENT will Happen? It seems we are waiting till the map is full.

[Diamond]

And I assumed Melanasia had New Caledonia, Vanatu, Solomon Islands, and Fiji, while Polynesia had Easter Island, Samoa, Tonga, Marquesas, and French Polynesia....

Correct.

I figured Polynesia would also have stuff like Pitcairn as well.

[tom]

IIRC, it happened at Noon GMT on July 12.

[DuQuense]

Thought it was changed since it's taking so long to get the areas posted. Suguestion of August 1. time to write first stories, and learn who our neighbors are.

[Aedh Rua]

I see most of the world is described, at least outside the Middle East.
Aedh Rua (BTW, where do you get that name? I have to cut and paste a name that short :o ) had a PoD I've long been fascinated with...maybe he/she ( :o ) can do something with it somewhere else!

He. The name is Irish Gaelic for "Red Fire". At the time I took the name, I had red hair. These days it's closer to dark brown, for no reason I can comprehend.

What was the POD?

[G.Bone]

Okay....Landshark...ye gotta put something on the effect that the "listed" are in fact those that are explained iin the other thread, so that others wouldn't be gyp'd out of their countries/claims. If those people don't pick up their claims by End of July or somewhere around there, then the discussion can happen on what happens to those regions.

And that discussion, by the way, belongs in the Smelounge, including what to do with the unclaimed.

Europe
U 1 Iceland (Norse Province) - tetsu-katana
EU 2 Mikey
EU 3 Celtica - Leej
EU 4 DuQuense
EU 5 Federated Sovereign Republics of Spain - Justin Green
EU 6 Rigion Litawijâs - Aedh Rua
EU 7 The Roman Empire -Imajin
EU 8: Landshark
EU 9: The Union of Visegrád ( The Republic of Germany) - Beck Reilly
EU 10: East Sweden - DuQuense
EU 11: Rîgion Noraci (Kingdom of Noracon) - Aedh Rua
EU 12: Kingdom of Italy - perdedor99
EU 13: straha
EU 14:
EU 15 Faeelin
EU 16: WingMasterD
EU 17: Leej
EU 18: God of Belac
EU 19: Russia, "here" or various - tom
EU 20: Reichskommissariat Kaukasus - Nosb

NORTH AMERICA

NA 1:
NA 2: Ulatis Nouiolitawijâs - Aedh Rua
NA 3: Fred Smmith
NA 4: The Empire of California - God of Belac
NA 5: New Saxonland & New Leoland - tom
NA 6: Industrial States of America - GBW
NA 7: The Commonwealth - Leej
NA 8: Confederate States of America, Pacific Republic, Empire of Mexico - DuQuense
NA 9: Southwestern Confederate Republic - Confederatefly
NA 10: The Southern Republic - Imajin
NA 11:
NA 12: Sultanate of Maiyya - Straha
NA 13: Mikey
NA 14: Kingdom of Hispaniola - Diamond


SOUTH AMERICA

SA 1: Columbian Republic, OSA - G.Bone
SA 2: Amazonia - American Samurai
SA 3: Guyanuan Federated Republic, OSA - G.Bone
SA 4: GBW
SA 5: Dominion of Australia - Landshark
SA 6: GBW
SA 7: Dominion of Chile-Argentina - G.Bone
SA 8: Outer Territories - G.Bone
SA 9: Dominion of Chile-Argentina*, Dominion of the Falkland Islands - G.Bone

AFRICA

AF 1: Spanish Morocco - DuQuense
AF 2: Italian Libya - DuQuense
AF 3: Diamond
AF 4: Empire of Songhai - GBW
AF 5: Hesperia(a) - DuQuense
AF 6: Hesperia(b) - DuQuense
AF 7:
AF 8:
AF 9: Nosb
AF 10: Nigeria - DuQuense
AF 11: Congo - DuQuense
AF 12:
AF 13:
AF 14: Georgian Congo - Confederatefly
AF 15:
AF 16:
AF 17:
AF 18: The Lone Amigo
AF 19: Kingdom of Madagascar - GBW
AF 20: The Federal Republic of the Cape of Good Hope - Marius
AF 21: The Union of South Africa - Beck Reilly

MIDDLE EAST

ME 1:
ME 2: Gedca
ME 3: God of Belac
ME 4:
ME 5:
ME 6:
ME 7: Mikey/Fearless Leader

ASIA

AS 1: Khaganate of Kirghiz - Diamond

[Landshark]

Okay....Landshark...ye gotta put something on the effect that the "listed" are in fact those that are explained iin the other thread

Er...yeah....that'd be shown by the use of the word "listed" which derives from the phrase "Listings of Countries".

[G.Bone]

oh. Is your list updated with the new countries from the thread?

[Diamond]

G.Bone: Are you trying to subtley hint to me that I should take more zones or something? First you try to give me OC2, now AF3... I don't want 'em!!
:D :D :D

[Landshark]

oh. Is your list updated with the new countries from the thread?

It is up to Hesperia, which as of writing is the last new country listed. However I haven't changed the name of DuQuense' NA8 as I'm not sure if that's his intention.

[G.Bone]

My bad Diamond. So- any more takers on the unclaimed countries?

[DuQuense]

I'll take them all**---NO i'm not independently weathly, able to spend 24/7 on the net- [but OH boy how I Wish] I'll simply fill them with my stone Age Siberia world. Lots of Room for exploreation. And if their conquered- oh well. But think of the fun of a empty Saudi Arabia, 'all that oil just waiting for the first taker.


** AND No I don't really expect this to happen.

[Aedh Rua]

I'll take them all**---NO i'm not independently weathly, able to spend 24/7 on the net- [but OH boy how I Wish] I'll simply fill them with my stone Age Siberia world. Lots of Room for exploreation. And if their conquered- oh well. But think of the fun of a empty Saudi Arabia, 'all that oil just waiting for the first taker.


** AND No I don't really expect this to happen.

Actually, making them all stone age isn't a bad idea............

[DuQuense]

Instead of a list of taken- how about a shorter list of Avalible.

[Diamond]

Instead of a list of taken- how about a shorter list of Avalible.

Good idea.

[Leej]

Instead of a list of taken- how about a shorter list of Avalible.

Well volunteered!

[Yossarian]

I'll take asia 7 if no one has it yet

[G.Bone]

Note: I am not too sure who has NA 11, so whomever has it please respond.

EU 14:
NA 1:
NA 11:
AF 7:
AF 8:
AF 12:
AF 13:
AF 15:
AF 16:
AF 17:
ME 1:
ME 4:
ME 5:
ME 6:
AS 3:
AS 4:
AS 5:
AS 6:
AS 8:
AS 10:
AS 12:
AS 13:
AS 15:
OC 3
OC 4:
OC 5:
OC 6:
OC 9:
OC 11:
OC 14:
OC 16:

[emperorharry86]

sorry if this is the wrong place, but can someone tell me what is going on?

[G.Bone]

check the FAQ!

[perdedor99]

Landshark was nice enough in giving me his deed to the property.

[American_Samurai]

I am making my thrid and hopefully final claim for Asia 13 not only for thr mosaic timeline but also as the name of my rock band

[G.Bone]

EU 14:
NA 1:
NA 11:
AF 7:
AF 8:
AF 12:
AF 13:
AF 15:
AF 16:
AF 17:
ME 1:
ME 4:
ME 5:
ME 6:
AS 3:
AS 4:
AS 5:
AS 6:
AS 8:
AS 10:
AS 12:
OC 3
OC 4:
OC 5:
OC 6:
OC 9:
OC 11:
OC 14:
OC 16:

[Landshark]

If this is the definative list of unclaimed territories I'll post some more advertisements in the other boards this afternoon. There must be somebody out there interested in China, Iraq and Pershia.

[tom]

I plan to start planning my scenarios (I'll be lucky if I can do a full story) when someone describes EU 14 and NA 1.

[Diamond]

Hey Tom: my nation of Kirghiz (AS1) is right next to your Russia; do you have any objections to me writing a story about a Kirghizi exploratory expedition into Russia?

[G.Bone]

mmmm kay...all diplomacy talks are in the other thread.....

[perdedor99]

I dont' want it. It just that nation is a big player in the area and a lot of decisions of the nearby countries will be affected by the actions of the China that get ISOTed to SME.

[tom]

Diamond:
Fine. Just remember that I want to check the story, and that I will be in the Aridondacks for awhile after another week or so.

[Leej]

I am interested in China as I've said before. I thought it was taken though.
I will do for China what I was going to do for Korea- a permanent 3 kingdoms period leading to modern civ developing in the east.

[G.Bone]

Doesn't Nosb have China?

[DuQuense]

Fellow NA space bats I suguest that we agree to put a no Columbus [or others] in NA1. this would give us the American aboringals [Lakotas, Blackfoot ect] in the south with Inuits in the North. I cast one vote for this idea.

[G.Bone]

Umm...were the Lakota even in Canada? And doesn't this suggestion belong in the Smelounge thread?

[DuQuense]

I've been thinking of this one for 72 hrs now. I wasn't going to do it , But. Can I have ocean 5,6,14, 16, as one related ISOT. [Imperial Germany] ;) :D

[G.Bone]

No DuQuense. You already have 9 nations under your belt and I'm sorry, but that is going to take a whole lot of time just to manage them all. Sorry, but No.

[Leej]

When was China taken?
I thought it was untaken.
Dang I'll redo Sri Lanka then...

[Nosb]

When was China taken?
I thought it was untaken.
Dang I'll redo Sri Lanka then...

(One week ago) 20 in Europe, 12 in Asia (China) [parenthesize added]
Sorry man.

[Justin Pickard]

Have been struggling to register my account for the last two days, desperately hoping that nobody would claim EU14. Hopefully I haven't missed anything - if not then let me have EU14!

Hurrah! :)

[tom]

Justin:
AFAIK it is still available. People like you are why I suggested waiting another week.

[G.Bone]

-> @Justin Pickard
Mind you, you have to put information in the Countries thread. That means the name, two paragraphs of history, gov't, leader(s), military, and (optional) pop.

NA 1:
NA 11:
AF 7:
AF 8:
AF 12:
AF 13:
AF 15:
AF 16:
AF 17:
ME 1:
ME 4:
ME 5:
ME 6:
AS 3:
AS 4:
AS 5:
AS 6:
AS 8:
AS 10:
AS 12:
OC 3
OC 4:
OC 5:
OC 6:
OC 9:
OC 11:
OC 14:
OC 16:

[Faeelin]

Who has EU 18?

[cow defender]

i'd like to lay claim to na 11, what exactly do i have to do to do that?

[Faeelin]

I'll take ME 6,

[tom]

Cow Defender:
Post a full description of your country on the North America listing of countries thread. If the group as a whole likes it, you got it.

http://www.alternatehistory.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=4439

[Ward]

I would like to have ME 4 if I could

[Nosb]

I would like Asia 6 if i may

[WngMasterD]

I call OC14

[tom]

When do we close registration and declare all unclaimed areas wilderness?

[perdedor99]

What everybody thinks?

Also, how we would handle wars?

[Justin Pickard]

Spend Friday and Saturday debating what to put in the unclaimed areas

[perdedor99]

Already some of the members have posted stories with unclaimed territories as empty, so it seems like at least a part of us have made up their minds. I for one think no humans in unclaimed territories.

[Leej]

Unclaimed territorys should be something, we can't have them just empty.
Has anyone done a count of who has how many?
We can come up with some simple things for the empty ones surely.

[GBW]

OTL in 77,000 BP ??? the Volcano Sumutra exploded, touching off world wide ecological disasters. It is estimated that 90% of the human race perished.

ATL The explosion was so great that the human race went extinct within 100 years of the event.
With No Native humans the ASB's [us] decided to run a Experiment , Unfortunally there were not enought ASB's interested so several areas were left as they were.

this means that they are basically in a state of nature, with no humans. Instead, Cave Bears, Mastadons, Sloths, Sabertooth Cats, Roam the Primival Forests. And with no Whaling to kill off the Pods, the Sperm and Blue Whales would still be plentiful mid Ocean. ?Conflict between the Anti Whaling Eco's and the pro Whaling Cultures?

This is what was agreed to for the unclaimed regions.

[Diamond]

This is what was agreed to for the unclaimed regions.

Yup. That's what I thought also.

Now here's an idea of what we can do if, at a later time, someone new wants to join SME:

Say your nation is next to an unclaimed wilderness zone, and you've sent colonists or whatever in, and started to write stories set in it. Then, a new SME person drops in, and claims that zone. Oh no!

How about this: Instead of instantaneously being transported to the Mosaic Earth, the new nation/zone appears in 'flashes' over a period of a few days; this should be enough time to let the people in the zone know that something is going on, and we (as the ASBs) will know that we need to prepare for a new nation.

Then the question is: what about all the people and/or infrastructure that you've trucked into this (now claimed) zone?

Should it disappear forever when the new nation appears, if its still within the borders? Easiest solution, but it makes it difficult for people like me who have a zone thats bordered on at least two sides by wilderness zones.

Should every 'foreign' person and/or object be dumped back in its native region? This seems dumb, but I thought I'd mention it anyway.

Or, should everything stay as is? (When the colonists wake up one morning they find themselves surrounded by another ATL instead of the previous wilderness zone). This option is probably the most complicated in terms of story-writing.

[Landshark]

I was thinking the same thing yesterday.

[Leej]

I think all should be transported at once, just don't mention those empty zones then once something is placed there they can be mentioned.
I don't agree that all the empty zones should have the same POD of that volcano, we should fill them up with more worlds. Some can be humanless though add more variety (a few dead civilizations, a few primitive civilizations, a dinosaur piece or two etc...)

[Diamond]

...just don't mention those empty zones then once something is placed there they can be mentioned.

How's that going to work then? Like I said, I've got a region that's surrounded on at least two sides by unclaimed areas. What am I supposed to do, just say all the inhabitants of Kirghiz said, 'Ah well, we don't really need to go look there...' That's not only not practical, but its totally contrary to human nature. If you woke up and found half your country replaced by... something else, wouldn't you want to go in there and see what the hell happened?!?

[GBW]

I like the idea of a region 'flashing' in over a few days. Perhaps it will be with an effect similar to the original event so that everyone will know what's going on. In addition, perhaps the people, cities, infrastructure of the new nation will flash on and off for those few days in a 'ghost-like' way, gradually flashing more rapidly as it nears the deadline until it finally solidifies into SME. This would allow time for people to evacuate and possibly pull out a majority of whatever equipment has been moved in.

Now, here's another possibility. Maybe we can have an option where enough people and infrastructure have been established in a wilderness region so that a new nation can't show up there. That could be decided by the moderators, whoever they end up being.

Who are the moderators anyway? I've heard G.Bone, Diamond, Landshark and I. Are we going to form some sort of... er... Quadrumvirate?

[DuQuense]

I don't agree that all the empty zones should have the same POD of that volcano, we should fill them up with more worlds. Some can be humanless though add more variety (a few dead civilizations, a few primitive civilizations, a dinosaur piece or two etc...)

The Idea was to have a simple idea of what would be ISOTed into the TL your area came from. The other point is what World are us ASB's ISOTing all these pieces into, A empty TL without people seemed the Easist.

?Do People expect that many more members will want to join later? I really like the Idea of Writting snippetts exploing a Empty area

[American_Samurai]

So if one wanted to, one could claim a land and have it be from a world where the dinosaurs never died out?


I do have to say that I am more than interested at the possibility!

[Diamond]

I really like the Idea of Writting snippetts exploing a Empty area

Me too.

GBW: That 'ghost-like' effect was what I was trying to say. Thank you.

As far as mods - I've already said I don't want to be one in any major capacity. I'm already defacto head of the Cartography department and will try to assist G.Bone with story modding, which is more than I wanted to do in the first place.

What I would like is for the people that have claimed a zone and not yet described it, to get off their asses and do so, so that we can get this thing officially going on Sunday. :D If they don't, I say we put their zones back in the unclaimed stack.

[GBW]

What I would like is for the people that have claimed a zone and not yet described it, to get off their asses and do so, so that we can get this thing officially going on Sunday. :D If they don't, I say we put their zones back in the unclaimed stack.

Who should these nations count as? People who haven't put them in the original Listings thread? People who haven