View Full Version : Challenge : US state(s) in Maghreb
February 22nd, 2009, 03:16 AM
With PoD no earlier than July 6th 1776 and no later than January 1st 1930, a country or two located in Northwest Africa must've already become US state by 1950.
February 22nd, 2009, 04:43 AM
ASB, i cann't see this happening.
February 22nd, 2009, 05:35 AM
Bit of a long stretch but perhaps longer and more Barbary Wars would force the US to build military outposts to protect its interests, over time many African Americans move there (like OTL Liberia) and apply for statehood.
February 22nd, 2009, 10:30 AM
ASB, i cann't see this happening.
The earliest limit for PoD is a day after the day of Declaration of Independence of the 13 colonies. So no, it shouldn't be ASB. Screw anything you want in order to pave the way for making it happen, though please do obey the law of nature in doing that.
February 22nd, 2009, 08:59 PM
1. Full out invasion of the Barbary States during the Barbary Wars; these are fully conquered and many Americans begin settling there. They also become the main destination for freed slaves, and Liberia is eventually granted statehood alongside Tripoli around 1875.
2. The US demands the Spanish grant them Ceuta and Melilla after the Spanish-American War so that the US might have a trading outpost in the Mediterranean. Eventually the former territory of Spanish Morocco is given statehood, probably around the 1920s.
February 22nd, 2009, 11:35 PM
POD 1800: President Alexander Hamilton continues program of naval expansion after winning election.
Tripolitan War 1801-1805
President Hamilton dispatches a powerful naval squadron to subdue the Ottoman Valayat of Tripoli. The President hopes publicly to gain the release of American prisoners and end the practice of paying ransom or protection money for the safe passage of American merchents plying Mediterrenean waters, but privately realizes the importance of a permanent American presence in the Mediterrenean. The squadron sails under the command of Admiral John Rodgers, Rodgers hopes the mere presence of the American forces arrayed against Pasha Yussif Karamanli would compel him to make a amiable peace with the United States, however the clear reply to his ultimatium quickly dashes his hopes.
The Pasha Yussif Karamanli was an arrogant man to say the least, but thats not too say that rejecting the ultimatium out of hand was any proof his avarice, after all the Pasha still held many American prisoners lives in his own hands, so the threat that Admiral Rodgers would destroy Tripoli by bombardment if he didn't agree-to what he thought amounted to suicide, i.e. release all Christian prisoners of war, renounce the practice of piracy and above all step down and allow the return of Hamet Karamanli-seemed abit absurd, he however was soon dissuaded from such thoughts as the American squadron opened fire on the city. Seeing his beloved city pummeled the Pasha quickly ordered the execution of all American prisoners in his custody, then fled into the interior.
The next day American Marines landed to take control of what was left of the city and free their imprisoned countrymen only to find their remains. Admiral Rodgers replaced Hamet Karamanli as Pasha and left a garrison under the command of the Pasha's political advisor William Eaton as well as a squadron of warships to ensure peace and tranquility.
The War of 1812
During the War of 1812 the USN's Mediterrenean squadron could do little more than survive against the might of the Royal Navy none the less protect American interests from abuse, which with their nation in its current predicament, the Barabry States of Algiers and Tunis had seen to take advantage of the situation and break their Peace Treaties with America. However by 1815, America was at peace with Britain and an enlarged battle fleet consisting of no less than as dozen SoTL, and under the command of Admiral Stephen Decatur, sailed into the Mediterrenean to subdue Algiers and Tunis. Within short order both sued for peace. However, the War of 1812 had proven the usefullness of a permanent American presence in the Mediterrenean and this time the Americans had no intention of leaving when the previous rulers had been thrown out of power. So eight years after peace was again established in 1815, under the recommendation of American consul William Shaler, in 1823 the United States annexed the Ottoman Valayat of Tripoli and the Regencies of Algiers and Tunis.
February 23rd, 2009, 07:03 PM
The Long Peace
Over the next 70 years after 1823, the American Maghreb witnessed sporadic clashes between indigenous tribesman and their would be American masters. At times traveling into the interior was nearly impossible for Americans but the coastal regions and urban areas remained firmly in American hands. Gradually however, the interior was pacified through bribery and firm action. The period after the American conquest also saw the return of technologies not seen since antiquity. The US Army Corp of Engineers was responsible for the construction of aquaducts, roads, schools and hospitals throughout the Maghreb.
The Spanish-American War
Upon the outbreak of war with Spain the USN launched from its bases in the Maghreb to sieze Minorca, Spanish Morocco, and the Canary Islands. The American Navy's Mediterrenean Squadron also engaged in one of the two naval battles of the war(the other being Manila Bay)at the battle of Cadiz as a Spanish Naval Squadron attempted to break out into the atlantic on a mission to raid the American eastern seaboard. The Treaty of Paris ending the conflict saw the US gain possession of the Philippines, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Minorca, Spanish Morocco, the Canary Islands and the numerous Spanish held islands in the Pacific.
February 24th, 2009, 05:58 AM
Hmm... looks nice, danwild6 :cool: Though part of the purpose of this thread is to have a US that's more familiar to Islam than OTL, so please don't make the Maghreb a WASP/WC zone :) Just in case ;)
February 24th, 2009, 06:20 PM
Thanks Ridwan but rest assured I'm in total agreement that Arabic and Islamic culture should remain dominant in the Maghreb and should even influence the culture of the United States throughout the 20th century.
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