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Archangel Michael
February 14th, 2004, 07:59 PM
I saw the last two books of this sereies at the local bookstore, and though about buying the first book in the series off Amazon. Before I decide to buy it, is it any good?

Prunesquallor
February 14th, 2004, 08:04 PM
I read one book in this series. Thought it was crap.

David Howery
February 14th, 2004, 09:32 PM
I loved the first book in the series... unfortunately, the series' quality dribbled downhill after that, little by little... the books have kinda the same formula... the US troops beat a small horde of the aliens, and up pops a bigger one.. they beat that one and up pops a bigger one.. and so on...

The Gunslinger
February 15th, 2004, 01:23 AM
Ya, its like what David says. It's just a lot of the same thing over and over again for several novels. It's a pretty good read though, Read the first one, once it sets the stage, not much changes.

robertp6165
February 15th, 2004, 11:56 PM
I loved the first book in the series... unfortunately, the series' quality dribbled downhill after that, little by little... the books have kinda the same formula... the US troops beat a small horde of the aliens, and up pops a bigger one.. they beat that one and up pops a bigger one.. and so on...

That's true to a certain extent. What is really interesting is the technological progression which develops as the series goes on as the Yankees have to keep developing to stay ahead of the aliens. Also very interesting is how the Yankees impact the culture on this world...the scenes where the medieval Russian troops go off to battle singing "Battle Cry of Freedom"...in Russian...are just hilarious to me, for example. The alien culture is also very interesting, although you don't get to see nearly as much of that. I thought the books were outstanding.

David Howery
February 16th, 2004, 02:29 AM
Mikey> basically, I would recommend just getting the first book and reading it... the sequels don't really add that much, and the first book is a pretty complete novel by itself. I love the whole idea behind the series... giant maneating ogres with a mongol-like culture... what's not to like? :)

David S Poepoe
February 16th, 2004, 02:38 AM
Having read the entire series, and learned that Forstchen is probably getting back to writing the second series, I have to say that they are pretty good books. They are in the same vein as "The General" series, and even they got pretty formulaic by the third book, but its interesting to watch the quick adoption of new technologies. I always eagerly awaited the next book, and continue to do so today.

Archangel Michael
February 16th, 2004, 03:08 AM
There are nine books in the series right now, correct?

Timmy811
May 13th, 2007, 11:20 PM
I loved the first book in the series... unfortunately, the series' quality dribbled downhill after that, little by little... the books have kinda the same formula... the US troops beat a small horde of the aliens, and up pops a bigger one.. they beat that one and up pops a bigger one.. and so on...

I agree, the first one really is awesome though.

robertp6165
May 14th, 2007, 04:49 AM
There are nine books in the series right now, correct?

Technically it is two series...the first, of eight books, which deals with the struggles of the original Lost Regiment. Then the second series, which as of now consists of one book, DOWN TO THE SEA, which begins to chronicle the adventures of the children of the members of the original Lost Regiment.

Jasen777
May 14th, 2007, 06:27 AM
Like others have said: started off good and then went downhill.

And I was vastly disappointed when half-way through the book "Never Sound Retreat," the good guys sounded retreat :(

Prinz Richard Eugen
May 14th, 2007, 04:53 PM
His last installment - Down to the Sea - was published in 2000. I think this series has died out. The earlier reviewers are right, it's the same story over and over again. I recall getting chills down my back when I read description of the human prisioners being killed by having the aliens eat their brains while they were still alive.

HARRY
May 15th, 2007, 11:59 AM
Finally something we don't need to blame Thande for Forstchens writting went down hill after he start hanging with Newt Gringrich.

Can you say "1945".:eek:

anzac 15
May 15th, 2007, 12:19 PM
If you want highbrow entertainment read some shakespeare,if your after a bit of escapism with a bit of blood and guts give it a go!

p.s watch out...I think the good guys win....

Agrippa
May 15th, 2007, 02:16 PM
The first four books were very good. I found the first book simply exceptional and read it so many times in my younger days that it began to fall apart. The second book stands in contrast to the other three, with the naval combat and the human enemies. The third book was interesting with the "we have guns, of course we'll defeat the savage hordes...oh look, we've just been outflanked." And who couldn't like the last stand aspect of the fourth book. After that, though, it wasn't that the books then started going progressively downhill, but rather they went from good to utter and total crap, not worth the paper they're printed on in one step. Well, the ninth book somehow was even worse. When the names of characters on the summary on the back of the book don't match the names of the characters in the book, you know you're in for a ride. And by that point, the whole "and another horde emerges to challenge the humans" had gotten real old.

G.Bone
May 15th, 2007, 05:51 PM
Huh. I actually stopped reading at book 4 because I couldn't find the fifth one...

Although the details about how rifle X works and the logistics were kind of appealing...

Jack_Straw
May 20th, 2007, 08:44 PM
Well, I just purchased all eight on EBay for 10.00 with shipping...hopefully they're as good as most of you are saying. If not, hell, it's only a ten-spot.:D

Major Major
May 20th, 2007, 10:57 PM
That "Well, we defeated them last book, but here comes an even bigger, badder bunch who just didn't feel like getting involved until now" theme quickly got old. I wrote a satire about what would happen if the copyright on The Lord of the Rings had been broken (there was a lawsuit to do this a few years ago) and Forstchen among others had signed on to do the "revised" version. If anyone is interested I can post it.

G.Bone
May 20th, 2007, 11:10 PM
I'd be interested.....

Thande
May 20th, 2007, 11:25 PM
That "Well, we defeated them last book, but here comes an even bigger, badder bunch who just didn't feel like getting involved until now" theme quickly got old. I wrote a satire about what would happen if the copyright on The Lord of the Rings had been broken (there was a lawsuit to do this a few years ago) and Forstchen among others had signed on to do the "revised" version. If anyone is interested I can post it.

That sounds interesting. I can imagine what it would involve :rolleyes:

Major Major
May 21st, 2007, 12:38 AM
A few years ago, a publisher sued to have The Lord of the Rings declared a public-domain work, because of the Houghton Mifflin/Ace matter. They failed; of course, they were a small group, without resources to hire big-name lawyers, pick a suitable site (Alabama, say), or get the influence of prominent politicians whose books they publish.

Let us suppose (von Däniken mode ON!) that a bigger publisher did this. A bigger publisher, which in addition has acquired the habit of taking the concept of “editing” far beyond its heretofore established limits. Now we enter . . . . . .


THE REVISED LORD OF THE RINGS by J. R. R. Tolkien (with Jerry Pournelle, Eric Flint, S. M. Stirling, John Ringo, David Weber, William R. Forstchen, David Drake, John F. Carr, Roland Green . . .

Our story begins with Captain Belisarius “Rick” Hammer of the 227th Imperial Mercenary Unit. Captain Hammer is a stunningly able and valiant commander, whose values have never been recognized due to the fact that in every situation, he is placed under an incompetent commander who, after Rick has won the battle, takes all the credit and has Rick reassigned to another no-win situation. Oh yes, he is also a student of ancient military history.

Rick is the only surviving officer in the Unit, which is several hundred strong. He is, therefore, working with the senior noncom of the Unit, Sergeant Teri Testosterina. Double-T is 199 cm tall, ample-figured, has her red hair in a long braid, and can whip any man in the Unit. She thinks herself homely, and has had many lovers die in her arms on a stricken battlefield.

In the ranks of the Unit are such highly skilled sorts as “Prof”, a cutting-edge physicist who got tired of university politics (damned liberals) and went merc; “Hog Jowl”, a 220 cm, 220 kg mass of muscle; Wang Lo, martial arts master of Kombo, the ancient martial art that enables a man to flick aside an artillery shell, slide between the spaces in a wall’s atoms, live underwater for up to a month, and swordfight on wires between trees; Nick ha-Bibulah, the armorer who alone among the Imperials speaks with a funny accent but can make an air car with two pieces of wire and a broken pliers; and many other people of technical resource, which makes the Imperial tactics of 90%-casualty frontal assaults seem just a bit wasteful.

The 227th is on passage from one such disaster to another when IT happens. The ship falls through a warp in trans-sidereal space and begins to break down. Captain Rick gives the order and with the survival equipment and arms, the Unit bails out to land on this convenient nearby planet.

While rallying after landing, they are approached by a man astride an animal. After some confrontation, they manage to establish communications and are escorted to the home of the King, one Theoden, who is in desperate straits.

Rick immediately mobilizes his forces. He begins training the Rohannese in the advanced ancient tactics combining the best of the ancient Romans, English, Chinese, Incas, Cherokee, and Suevi, promoting all his men and women to officers of the new model army. He also falls in love with the king’s beautiful niece, a warrior woman equal in grace and competence to the legendary Xena, Rylla, Ash, etc.

The king’s lead advisor informs Rick of a conveniently available industrial plant, and after some negotiations (involving the arrest of several wandering strangers who intruded into the Security Zone) the owner of this facility, one Saurman, accepts the leadership of the Grand Commander Rick.

The reorganized and rearmed army of the Domain has to deal with a threat from one Sauron, a hostile and malevolent ruler to the east. Marching eastward to join with the old allies of the kingdom, the new model army begins rallying and reorganizing, including sending patrols into the No Man’s Land with Sauron’s domain to recover a powerful artifact, using the newly-developed airships.

In the climatic final battle, Sauron and his top nine aides confront Rick and the new model army amidst the ruins of the allied capital Minas Tirith. “Prof” and Nick work together to hot-wire the recovered artifact into a powerful weapon, using an obscure variant of Asimov’s Principle, and the burst of energy generated slays Sauron and all his aides. Teri’s latest lover, the king’s nephew Eomer, dies in her arms, Rick marries Princess Eowyn and proclaims himself Emperor, and all is well.

In the second trilogy, Morgoth, the superior of Sauron, emerges from his stronghold in the north. The Empire has developed a technological and industrial base sufficient to arm the new model army with flintlock muskets, but Morgoth has a bigger and badder army. They swarm south and engulf the Empire, bringing ruin and devastation. Finally, in the ruins of Minas Tirith, the survivors confront Morgoth and his top aides in one final climatic battle, where the newly-produced Whitworth rifles enable the Empire to pull off a victory. The prince Faramir, Teri’s latest lover, dies in her arms. Rick annexes the mountains and forests of the north to the Empire.

In the third trilogy, Melko, the boss of Morgoth, emerges from his stronghold in the south. The Empire has developed a technological and industrial base sufficient to arm the new model army with rifled muskets, but Melko has an even bigger and badder army. They swarm north and engulf the Empire, bringing ruin and devastation. Finally in the ruins of Minas Tirith, the survivors confront Melko and his top aides in one final climatic battle, where the newly-formed Shaolin Kung Fu Fight Corps of martial artists enables the Empire to pull off a victory. The former Ranger Strider, Teri’s latest lover, dies in her arms. Rick annexes the harbors and fields of the south to the Empire.

In the fourth trilogy, Tauron, the son of Sauron, emerges from his stronghold in the far east. The Empire has developed a technological and industrial base sufficient to arm the new model army with machine guns, but Tauron has an even more bigger and badder army. They swarm west and engulf the Empire, bringing ruin and devastation. Finally in the ruins of Minas Tirith, the survivors confront Tauron and his top aides in one final climatic battle, where the newly developed nuclear weapon (based on a description in a novel found in one soldier’s reading unit memory bank) enables the Empire to pull off a victory. Chief Industrialist Saruman, Teri’s latest lover, dies in her arms. Rick annexes the plains of the far east to the Empire.

In the fifth trilogy . . . but I think you have the idea by now.

Thande
May 21st, 2007, 12:23 PM
That's quite realistically awful :eek:

Great job :D

Peter Cowan
May 22nd, 2007, 10:15 PM
So-so I guess..where were the star-faring interstellar lizards?

Bill Cameron
May 23rd, 2007, 12:27 AM
THE REVISED LORD OF THE RINGS by J. R. R. Tolkien (with Jerry Pournelle, Eric Flint, S. M. Stirling, John Ringo, David Weber, William R. Forstchen, David Drake, John F. Carr, Roland Green . . . but I think you have the idea by now.


Major Major,

That is absolutely and exquisitely perfect.

You should immediately email to each of the hacks... I mean "authors"... listed on the title page.


Bill