Future Histories: 1930

[Gamingboy]

Imagine it is 1930, you and a bunch of friends (you know, us), are discussing what might happen over the next say, O, 20 years.

[David S Poepoe]

National Socialism is the way of the future if we are to win the coming war against Godless Bolshevism. It has proven that it can mobilize the might and wealth of a state, just look at how things are improving in Italy and Germany. I'm certain that Britain and even the United States with benefit from it.

[Gamingboy]

I bet the depression will end next tuesday, then nobody will need be a socialist. Therefore, Democracy is still the way.

[FederationX]

National Socialism, in my opinion will stay in Germany, however the United States and Great Britain will become the great fascist powers of the west.

[Grey Wolf]

National Socialism is the way of the future if we are to win the coming war against Godless Bolshevism. It has proven that it can mobilize the might and wealth of a state, just look at how things are improving in Italy and Germany. I'm certain that Britain and even the United States with benefit from it.

Its 1930.... Germany is being run by a mixture of conservative and military types and is a basket case among nations, the NSDAP are a street-fighting mob no better than the KPD and that Hitler fellow is simply a rabble-rouser who will never amount to much. I for one back the chances of Hugenburg and the monarchists. Old Hindenburg will see us right yet. The Kaiser will rule again from Berlin and there's nothing that Britain or France dare do about it !!!

Grey Wolf

[MerryPrankster]

Its 1930.... Germany is being run by a mixture of conservative and military types and is a basket case among nations, the NSDAP are a street-fighting mob no better than the KPD and that Hitler fellow is simply a rabble-rouser who will never amount to much. I for one back the chances of Hugenburg and the monarchists. Old Hindenburg will see us right yet. The Kaiser will rule again from Berlin and there's nothing that Britain or France dare do about it !!!

Grey Wolf

Darn right! Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Kaiser!

Now all we need to do is retrieve Germanic lands like the Corridor, Austria, South Tyrol, and the Sudetenland and then we'll be able to forge a wall of steel stretching from the Adriatic to the Baltic to stop the Bolshevik Menace.

[Grey Wolf]

Darn right! Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Kaiser!

Now all we need to do is retrieve Germanic lands like the Corridor, Austria, South Tyrol, and the Sudetenland and then we'll be able to forge a wall of steel stretching from the Adriatic to the Baltic to stop the Bolshevik Menace.

Actually, that's a prety good call. Austria doesn't want to be a republic ! There have always been pan-Germans there, even under Franz Josef who never appreciated visits by the Kaiser. Now, with Wilhelm II back on the throne in Berlin, the people of Austria will realise where their true destiny lies and will flock to the true Reich

Grey Wolf

[Gamingboy]

I heard this guy a few days ago yapping about how man will be able to destroy whole cities with one bomb.


What a crank.

[Grey Wolf]

I heard this guy a few days ago yapping about how man will be able to destroy whole cities with one bomb.


What a crank.

Tesla ?

It certainly wasn't Einstein who steadfastly refused to believe in such things until the late 1930s

Grey Wolf

[Romulus Augustulus]

Oh, you psychopathic racist lunatics. Race actually makes no difference biologically...it's just skin coloration, stature, and other superficial features. In the Arctic, the Aleuts, Inuit and Chuckchi have different arrangements of blood vessels, among other things, but it still make no differnce. Race is more of a social construct...any perceived lack of intelligence among non-white people is due to social conditions. For instance, the reason African-Americans are perceived as stupid is because they can't get an education, which is because they're poor, which is because they are being kept down by society and the government. Is that too hard to understand?

[Grimm Reaper]

Ah, mein kameraden, I haff thought long and hard on this matter and, after consulting with a canny old political prophet, I, Herr G. Reaper, can with confidence predict the future of the German nation in 1933, 1943, 1948, and 1968.

In three years I predict we shall be suffering a shattering economic crisis without historical parallel. That 5 million German men shall be without employment. That in the resulting political tensions a man with a certifiable mental illness shall rise to power in our fatherland, and he shall subsequently embark on all manner of madness including the deliberate murder of six million Jews from all over Europe.

In thirteen years I predict we shall be part of a vast new Third Reich, our armies stretching from the Bay of Biscay to the Volga River, from the Arctic Circle to the Sahara Desert.

In eighteen years we shall be part of an occupied remnant of three zones stretching barely from the Rhine to the Elbe, and whose factories have lost 90 percent of the production today.

In thirty-eight years we shall enjoy a glorious standard of living FOUR TIMES that which we now enjoy, and the next year, in 1969, virtually all adult Germans shall watch a box in their homes displaying live film of a man walking on the moon.

Ja, mein freunds, you haff my predictions for the fatherland and I am confident in my estimates that...vhat...vhat are you doing? Release me at once! Do you not understand the significance of what I have determined? Let me go!
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Historian's note. My ancestor, immediately after these predictions, was committed for the remainder of his life(51 days) in a mental institution.

Honesty's note. The above first appeared in General Sir John Hackett's The Third War: The Untold Story.
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[Imajin]

I do believe that the Habsburgs are more likely to come back than the Hohenzollerns- The League of Nations would never allow a restoration of a warmongering dynasty! Meanwhile, the Habsburgs have already tried twice in Hungary, and almost suceeded- I see a Austrian political party based around Habsburg Restoration being an almost certainty- Perhaps it will then attempt to reform the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The Demise of the Empires will not last, in any case. Poland is doomed...

[KJM]

National Socialism is the way of the future if we are to win the coming war against Godless Bolshevism.
I see no difference between the two.

[NFR]

Ah, mein kameraden, I haff thought long and hard on this matter and, after consulting with a canny old political prophet, I, Herr G. Reaper, can with confidence predict the future of the German nation in 1933, 1943, 1948, and 1968.

In three years I predict we shall be suffering a shattering economic crisis without historical parallel. That 5 million German men shall be without employment. That in the resulting political tensions a man with a certifiable mental illness shall rise to power in our fatherland, and he shall subsequently embark on all manner of madness including the deliberate murder of six million Jews from all over Europe.

In thirteen years I predict we shall be part of a vast new Third Reich, our armies stretching from the Bay of Biscay to the Volga River, from the Arctic Circle to the Sahara Desert.

In eighteen years we shall be part of an occupied remnant of three zones stretching barely from the Rhine to the Elbe, and whose factories have lost 90 percent of the production today.

In thirty-eight years we shall enjoy a glorious standard of living FOUR TIMES that which we now enjoy, and the next year, in 1969, virtually all adult Germans shall watch a box in their homes displaying live film of a man walking on the moon.

Ja, mein freunds, you haff my predictions for the fatherland and I am confident in my estimates that...vhat...vhat are you doing? Release me at once! Do you not understand the significance of what I have determined? Let me go!
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Historian's note. My ancestor, immediately after these predictions, was committed for the remainder of his life(51 days) in a mental institution.

Honesty's note. The above first appeared in General Sir John Hackett's The Third War: The Untold Story.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you! I have been wrecking my brain about where that one came from!

[NFR]

I see no difference between the two.

National socialism does not advocate the persecution of the churches.

[NFR]

Oh, you psychopathic racist lunatics. Race actually makes no difference biologically...it's just skin coloration, stature, and other superficial features. In the Arctic, the Aleuts, Inuit and Chuckchi have different arrangements of blood vessels, among other things, but it still make no differnce. Race is more of a social construct...any perceived lack of intelligence among non-white people is due to social conditions. For instance, the reason African-Americans are perceived as stupid is because they can't get an education, which is because they're poor, which is because they are being kept down by society and the government. Is that too hard to understand?

Sure thing, and it's a complete coincidence that every major power in the world is built by the White Man, every single scientific advance by the White Man, and the only time a non-White power ever defeated a white power in battle was when the Japanese fought the racially degenerate Slavs.

[mattep74]

here is what i think for Sweden

We werent affected much by the crisis in 29 apperantly. I still have my job as a farmer. Have placed some money in Kruegerstocks(ooc: my ancestors on my mothers mothers side are mostly farmers and Krueger dont die until 32 and then the stock become worthless)

I like the new invention called a radio. Maybe in the future everyone will have the money to own two of these

I have a firm belife that thanks to the league of nations there will not be a great war again because all civilised nations will solve their differenses at the confrence tables. What Japan does i dont care since they arent civilised like us europeans(i am thinking like a man in 1930)

UK, France, Portugal and Spain will not loose their colonies for several decades since those people have to be run by white men or perish

I fear that the Sovietunion will try to spread communism by force, maybe invading eastern europe and then try to take Germany. Germany must be allowed to rearm

[Steffen]

it is now proven that the western european way of parliamentarism is not at all the superior way of government. It certainly appeals to the anglo-saxons and the french. But our german people get easily sick of the cheap bargaining and in parliament and the unstable governments.

In the next years, not only the financial aspect of the versailles treaty will be overcome, but also the other restrictions. We will no longer be a second class nation.

And our brothers, hold down by the arrogant governments of the artificially created countries, will be reincorporated back into the fatherland.
And there´s the greatest danger we face: The gap between the beginning of our rearmament and the detterent of a reestablished, heavy armored Reichswehr, backed up by several cohorts of reservists.
Because the french, polish and Czech know only one goal: finis germaniae.


Also, we approach a new time, replacing un-reglemented and devastating manchester liberalism with an approach that suits our people better: corporatism

[Max Sinister]

Folks, you're talking all that time about that fellow from Germany, but noone seems to think about our world's two greatest powers: Britain and France, and their colonial empires in Asia and Africa.

Other than Spain, these two countries know how to treat their colonies that they'll stand to their sides. This development will continue in the most logical way: Britains's colonies may develop into dominions, given enough time, and France with its centralized administration is binding its colonies and reshaping them in its image, making Africans and Arabs new French.

Today these empires have developed but a fracture of their potential strength. If they'll stay together as they did in WW I, they'll be able to reign the world - with the exception of the US maybe, who won't do any foreign adventures anymore. Remember how they almost made Russia their colony in the Russian Civil War.

The only sad thing: Without a danger, they might remember their old grudges against each other - and one day the world might end in fire as these two giants duke it out. If you think about that, you'd almost wish for some crazy dictator like old Willy the Stupid they have to ally against...

[Ivan Druzhkov]

You fools. Can you not see what is going to happen? The old bourgeoisie order is dying. The inherent contradictions of the free-market system are beginning to play themselves out. It was the lust for capital that drove the nations of Europe into war, and it's capital that's keeping Germany poor. The other nations have too much to lose if they invest in German industry, so they let their fellow human beings suffer while they rebuild their little castles in the sky! There's only one hope for the humanity, and that, my friends, is the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. With the new collectivization programs in the Ukrainian breadbasket and the five-year industrialization plans, the Soviet Union is growing at a rate unsurpassed by any European nation. Who knows, maybe in 20 years, you'll all be singing the Internationale with us in Moscow.

[NHBL]

The United States is isolationist these days--and the rest of the world needs to be thankful for that. American industrial capacity is matchless, as the Great War and the years afterwards proved. In one year, (1920) the USA laid down ten battleships and battlecruisers, all but one in the 45,000 ton range. Then look at the way the nation mass produced destroyers and Hog Island freighters--300! big, fast destroyers in the year and a lalf the nation was at war.
The position of the US was acknowleged by Britian when she accepted equality in the number of capital ships at Washington.
When this depression is over, the American production capacity is there, waiting. As long as Europe keeps its wars Over There, it will be no threat to anyone. If the wars end up in America's backyard again, I have every confidence that, this time, the people that bring it there will not be able to bring it there again.

[cow defender]

There's only one hope for the humanity, and that, my friends, is the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. With the new collectivization programs in the Ukrainian breadbasket and the five-year industrialization plans, the Soviet Union is growing at a rate unsurpassed by any European nation. Who knows, maybe in 20 years, you'll all be singing the Internationale with us in Moscow.


youre right that the capitalist order is falling but the ussr may not be the answer. emma goldman was sent back by the bastards in Washington and she saw first hand the 'only hope for humanity' that included widespread censorship (political, ideological, personal every kind imaginable) and harsh oppression. Besides it is false logic to believe that a paradise of men will be brought about by a harsh dictatorship. soon, however, the people will rise up and a liberal socialist method of governance shall be established. America is the place for it to happen. there are thousands of us not getting our fair shair every day, we don't need the robber barons and capital owners to drag us down, .... ran out of steam

oh and....anarchy!

[NFR]

it is now proven that the western european way of parliamentarism is not at all the superior way of government. It certainly appeals to the anglo-saxons and the french. But our german people get easily sick of the cheap bargaining and in parliament and the unstable governments.

In the next years, not only the financial aspect of the versailles treaty will be overcome, but also the other restrictions. We will no longer be a second class nation.

Hear, hear!

And our brothers, hold down by the arrogant governments of the artificially created countries, will be reincorporated back into the fatherland.
And there´s the greatest danger we face: The gap between the beginning of our rearmament and the detterent of a reestablished, heavy armored Reichswehr, backed up by several cohorts of reservists.
Because the french, polish and Czech know only one goal: finis germaniae.

These racial degenerates can only overcome the Fatherland if we let them, as the traitors of the KDP would! All Germans will one day be reunited under one reich!


Also, we approach a new time, replacing un-reglemented and devastating manchester liberalism with an approach that suits our people better: corporatism

I think National Socialism must remain the superior alternative.

[Yellmic Wigwawa]

It's hard to see much hope in the world, in view of the great economic crisis now affecting us, but one thing seems fairly certain; we should have no major war for at least 30 years. The horrors of the great war are too fresh in all our nations' minds for anyone to be mad enough to consider beginning another war.

[Ivan Druzhkov]

youre right that the capitalist order is falling but the ussr may not be the answer. emma goldman was sent back by the bastards in Washington and she saw first hand the 'only hope for humanity' that included widespread censorship (political, ideological, personal every kind imaginable) and harsh oppression. Besides it is false logic to believe that a paradise of men will be brought about by a harsh dictatorship. soon, however, the people will rise up and a liberal socialist method of governance shall be established. America is the place for it to happen. there are thousands of us not getting our fair shair every day, we don't need the robber barons and capital owners to drag us down, .... ran out of steam

oh and....anarchy!
What are you talking about, "harsh dictatorship"? The only "harshness" I see is that directed towards the enemies of the people. The kulaks, the priests, the barons and old generals all work together to destroy the revolution. If they are willing to use their power to destroy us, then we, in turn, must use all our revolutionary vigor against them. I'm just thankful we got a tough soldier like Stalin in Moscow, rather than that coward Bukharin or that arrogant snot Trotsky. Mark my words. A new day is coming for socialism, and Stalin will lead the way.

[cow defender]

What are you talking about, "harsh dictatorship"? The only "harshness" I see is that directed towards the enemies of the people. The kulaks, the priests, the barons and old generals all work together to destroy the revolution. If they are willing to use their power to destroy us, then we, in turn, must use all our revolutionary vigor against them. I'm just thankful we got a tough soldier like Stalin in Moscow, rather than that coward Bukharin or that arrogant snot Trotsky. Mark my words. A new day is coming for socialism, and Stalin will lead the way.



and what of mahkno? the illustrious revolutionary of the ukraine. He fought against all oppressors, the czar and the heavy handed 'reds'. soldier stalin? stalin is nothing more than a corrupt clerk with too much power. mahkno lived and fought with his men. he ate and bled with his community every day and died protecting them from stalin and his grand workman's paradise....


from emma goldman's My Disollusionment in Russia
chap 3 "The feature which affected me most was the inequality I witnessed in my immediate environment."
chap 4 "They knew nothing of theories, but they believed that there was to be no more of the hated barin (master) and now the barin was again upon them. "The barin has everything," they would say, "white bread, clothing, even chocolate, while we have nothing." "Communism, equality, freedom," they jeered, "lies and deception."'



russia, pff.

[Stalin]

It's hard to see much hope in the world, in view of the great economic crisis now affecting us, but one thing seems fairly certain; we should have no major war for at least 30 years. The horrors of the great war are too fresh in all our nations' minds for anyone to be mad enough to consider beginning another war.

The sad truth is, war is good business. Many nations and elites stand to profit greatly both financially and politically from it. The Italians and Russians certainly would benefit from conquest, as would a resurgent Fascist/Communist Germany. Horrific or not, I expect that some kind of major war is inevitable.

[Straha]

Germany could go red? One thinks a military junta or italian style fascist state.

[BCO]

It's hard to see much hope in the world, in view of the great economic crisis now affecting us, but one thing seems fairly certain; we should have no major war for at least 30 years. The horrors of the great war are too fresh in all our nations' minds for anyone to be mad enough to consider beginning another war.

What economic crisis? In the US there was a stock market crash. Investors lost money. Some, who invested borrowed money, went bankrupt. However, the economy itself is fundamentally sound. Unemployment is low, and the economy is growing. Maybe you could speculate that the loss of capital markets as a source of investment could yet be a drag on the economy, but it would be far less severe than the panic of 1923.

[MarkWhittington]

The minor economic downturn caused by the recent stock market crash will be over by the end of the year. Hoover will be reelected by a landslide in the next Presidential election. The dominance of the Republican Party in politics will continue for the forseeable future.

Look for a general European War by 1940 due to the Soviet Union's drive to dominate the world. The United States will stay out of this one.

The United States probably will fight a Pacific War against Japan. Our advantage in large battleships will be the decisive factor.

China will become a peacful, prosperous nation with western investment.

There's a mad genius named Robert Goddard doing some interesting experiments with liquid fuel rockets. Look for rocket powered aircraft to replace piston engines in the next thirty years. Loose talk about using rockets for space travel is just that, though.

I'll go out on a limb and suggest that sound motion pictures will continue to be a novelty for some time to come and may eventually replace silent pictures.