Dieselpunk?

[Rekjavik]

Krall's Sky Father maps brought the word 'Dieselpunk' to my attention. My question is: What the heck is it?

I have heard of Cyberpunk, Steampunk, Biopunk and even Clockpunk, but never have I encountered Dieselpunk. Can someone explain what that kind of world would be like?

[Krall]

It's steampunk but with petrol engines instead of steamengines. Things in a dieselpunk world are generally less crazy and more plausible than those in steampunk worlds.

It's essentially the early 1900s.

[Redem]

Crimson skies would be a good exemple of diesel punk

[Tyr]

Or Ring of Red.

Whats clockpunk? Clockwork I guess? I thought that was Baroquepunk.

The punk scale goes AFAIR:

Renaisance: Da Vinci Punk
Pre industrial: Baroquepunk
Industrial age, (19th century, very early 20th): Steam punk
WW1ish- Atomic age: Diesil punk
Mid 20th century: Atom punk
80s: Soviet punk (i.e. recognisable modern sci fi but with the soviets)


Towards the end things are too recent to look quaint
Cyberpunk is a 80s invention but it doesn't fit into the standard punk scale.

[Krall]

Mid 20th century: Atom punk

I thought that was 'Nukepunk'? Nukepunk certainly sounds cooler.

[Thande]

I thought that was 'Nukepunk'? Nukepunk certainly sounds cooler.
But "atom" or "atomic" was the more commonly used word at the time, especially in a positive context.

[euio]

I thought that was 'Nukepunk'? Nukepunk certainly sounds cooler.
I like 'atom' better.



Deiselpunk is a 1930s-ish world, with zeppelins and loads of Art Decco. The beat example I can think of is Crimson Skies.

[euio]

Or Ring of Red.

Whats clockpunk? Clockwork I guess? I thought that was Baroquepunk.


Clockpunk (I've also heard Cogpunk) is more Leonardo da Vinci type stuff. XV Century.

[Ivan Druzhkov]

Judging from what I've read online, "dieselpunk" as an identifiable style is still something in the process of formation. Apparrently the term was first used in 2002 as a description for the RPG Children of the Sun (http://www.scifi.com/sfw/games/sfw8770.html), which combined a fantasy setting with elements of early 20th century technology. According to various articles/forum arguments on this website (http://www.ottens.co.uk/gatehouse/), the term has been reinterpreted to include some elements of neo-pulp (with Indiana Jones being a quintessential example) and noire, as well as industrial-themed dystopias and apocalypses (1984, Mad Max, what have you...). It has also been suggested that atomicpunk may just be a subset of dieselpunk interpreted for a later age.

[Zyzzyva]

Clockpunk is the usually accepted name for Leej's "DaVincipunk".

And it is kinda funny that cyberpunk doesn't fit on the scale anymore. :rolleyes:

What's pre-renaissance? Feudalpunk? (I don't know whether that's even possible, but it would be cool, which is the whole point of -punk.)

[alt_historian]

I'd say Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow is a form of dieselpunk... '30s-'40s technology supposedly, but more advanced than modern day in some ways (i.e. the flying aircraft carrier springs to mind...)

[RCTFI]

Clockpunk is the usually accepted name for Leej's "DaVincipunk".

And it is kinda funny that cyberpunk doesn't fit on the scale anymore. :rolleyes:

What's pre-renaissance? Feudalpunk? (I don't know whether that's even possible, but it would be cool, which is the whole point of -punk.)

Hm... well, Feudalpunk could be interpreted as a low magic fantasy setting, if that's your thing.

[Count Dearborn]

The mini-series Tin Man.
Hellboy, the opening scene has a dieslpunk overtone.
Dark City has some dieselpunk overtones.
The Borrowers movie is heavy dieselpunk.
Terry Gilliam's Brazil.

[euio]

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[Zyzzyva]

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:rolleyes: You don't bloody well say. :rolleyes:

[euio]

:rolleyes: You don't bloody well say. :rolleyes:
Oh wait... WoW is World of Warcraft, ain't it? I get it now.

[Thande]

Oh wait... WoW is World of Warcraft, ain't it? I get it now.

I prefer to continue thinking it's an obscure form of gentle astonishment. "Average Wow!"

[drrockso20]

I'd say Feudalpunk would be worlds like the World At War series by Harry Turtledove or Wyrms by Orson Scott Card or The Sword Of Truth series or He-Man & The Masters Of The Universe or Storm Hawks or the Jak series where magic and/or fantastical creatures along with pre-renaissance(sometimes higher) tech are to a degree part of everyday life.

p.s. I have another Punk setting to put forward: Alienpunk which is basically a Punk setting in which aliens and other non-humans are either an important part of a world or are the main sentients in said world the Oddworld series and the Barsoom series the aforementioned Wyrms are examples of this setting(the Redwall series would also be a member of said genre but that series doesn't have much in the way of technology or magic and is a tad on the happy side even if it does have great villains).

[Count Dearborn]

I'd say Feudalpunk would be worlds like the World At War series by Harry Turtledove or Wyrms by Orson Scott Card or The Sword Of Truth series or He-Man & The Masters Of The Universe or Storm Hawks or the Jak series where magic and/or fantastical creatures along with pre-renaissance(sometimes higher) tech are to a degree part of everyday life.

p.s. I have another Punk setting to put forward: Alienpunk which is basically a Punk setting in which aliens and other non-humans are either an important part of a world or are the main sentients in said world the Oddworld series and the Barsoom series the aforementioned Wyrms are examples of this setting(the Redwall series would also be a member of said genre but that series doesn't have much in the way of technology or magic and is a tad on the happy side even if it does have great villains).

Check out the Sliding Albion arc of the first Authority comic series.

[Atom]

Some people still like Steampunk.

Anyways on topic: Diesel punk is I think best classified as Pulp with modern sensibilities, just like Steampunk is often based off older works, but is fundamentally very modern. It also often has noir elements because the two categories get mixed up peoples minds due to their similar chronological place.

[Archangel Michael]

Punks have nothing to do with the era - they have to do with the technology. Clockpunk uses clockwork technology, steampunk uses steam, dieselpunk uses diesel, atompunk uses nuclear, and cyberpunk uses advanced cybernetic systems.

[SRT]

Cyberpunk has very little to do with technology in my mind. I always thought of it as way more psychosocial than about the actual settings. A lot of steampunk seems to have forgotten this in favor of awesome machinery... Which is part of cyberpunk, of course, but not the purpose. Cyberpunk is about disaffected people in a dystopic, usually hypercorporate world; whereas the sort of steampunk that really appeals to me is like the works of China Mieville; people being affected and screwed by things over their head (like in cyberpunk), just in an industrial revolution-esque setting.

Annoyance at the plethora of -punk subgenres that have completely lost touch with what cyberpunk was originally about is what led me to jokingly create flintpunk.

EDIT: Not that I don't love Crimson Skies, or the idea of dieselpunk in general.

[Max Sinister]

See also:
here (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PunkPunk) and here (http://diewachen.com/2007/08/all-sorts-of-punk.html).

So yes, there's medieval punk, and it's called "candlepunk" or "plaguepunk".

[Tyr]

Clockpunk is the usually accepted name for Leej's "DaVincipunk".

And it is kinda funny that cyberpunk doesn't fit on the scale anymore. :rolleyes:

What's pre-renaissance? Feudalpunk? (I don't know whether that's even possible, but it would be cool, which is the whole point of -punk.)

I was thinking of that but I can't see punk really working there, punk requires advanced technology using the limitations of the time hence it needs a progressive era. The renaisance was the start of the progressive age.

Cyberpunk has very little to do with technology in my mind. I always thought of it as way more psychosocial than about the actual settings. A lot of steampunk seems to have forgotten this in favor of awesome machinery... Which is part of cyberpunk, of course, but not the purpose. Cyberpunk is about disaffected people in a dystopic, usually hypercorporate world; whereas the sort of steampunk that really appeals to me is like the works of China Mieville; people being affected and screwed by things over their head (like in cyberpunk), just in an industrial revolution-esque setting.

Annoyance at the plethora of -punk subgenres that have completely lost touch with what cyberpunk was originally about is what led me to jokingly create flintpunk.

EDIT: Not that I don't love Crimson Skies, or the idea of dieselpunk in general.
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Truth.
It was originally just a 'British' (and 19th century if you're not aware of the fact that Britain still looks like that :p) rather than Japanese cyberpunk. The technology of it though was just too cool and took on a life of its own...


I'd say Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow is a form of dieselpunk... '30s-'40s technology supposedly, but more advanced than modern day in some ways (i.e. the flying aircraft carrier springs to mind...)
Its a weird one. It certainly is diesil punk but....it has so many clear elements of atom punk...but not the atoms.

[drrockso20]

see my prior post about feudalpunk See also:
here (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PunkPunk) and here (http://diewachen.com/2007/08/all-sorts-of-punk.html).
:D

[Fenwick]

Steampunk- High technology mixed with low technology. Not everyone has the steam powered walking tank but they know of it. You always find either the commoner fighting the system of monarchs well, or the lone hero fighting those in favor of government, and royal control of technology. Tends to be European more then anything else.

Dieselpunk- The issues are not who is bad, but that there is adventure to be had! In the same tale of walking robotic monsters, and fighter aces you learn of long lost civilizations high in the mountains of Tibet. Technology of course is around a diesel engine, but it more mechanical monsters and superweapons then anything else. The hero tends to be an American for the most part, but their adventures are all over the world.

Jetpunk- Life is good wonderful ,and just a matte rof time before we all enjoy the wonders of science. These are the adventurers who fight giant atomic monsters, long lost Aztec warriors, and of course frogmen. The main focus is not that society is bad, or people have trouble but merely that the amazing technology is coveted by evil doers.

Cyberpunk-You hate the system, you have something called a skullgun directly wired into your frontal lobe and you wear a lot of leather. The issues tend not to "hey we saved the day" but more" We saved the day... but look the guy we work for was just as bad as the people we got rid of." Darn...

[Zyzzyva]

Steampunk- High technology mixed with low technology. Not everyone has the steam powered walking tank but they know of it. You always find either the commoner fighting the system of monarchs well, or the lone hero fighting those in favor of government, and royal control of technology. Tends to be European more then anything else.

Dieselpunk- The issues are not who is bad, but that there is adventure to be had! In the same tale of walking robotic monsters, and fighter aces you learn of long lost civilizations high in the mountains of Tibet. Technology of course is around a diesel engine, but it more mechanical monsters and superweapons then anything else. The hero tends to be an American for the most part, but their adventures are all over the world.

Jetpunk- Life is good wonderful ,and just a matte rof time before we all enjoy the wonders of science. These are the adventurers who fight giant atomic monsters, long lost Aztec warriors, and of course frogmen. The main focus is not that society is bad, or people have trouble but merely that the amazing technology is coveted by evil doers.

Cyberpunk-You hate the system, you have something called a skullgun directly wired into your frontal lobe and you wear a lot of elather. The issues tend not to "hey we saved the day" but more" We saved the day... but look the guy we work for was just as bad as the people we got rid of." Darn...

That's not a bad summary, but all I could think was:

"...and you wear a lot of e-lather."

In the future, even your shaving cream will be wired!

[Fenwick]

That's not a bad summary, but all I could think was:

"...and you wear a lot of e-lather."

In the future, even your shaving cream will be wired!

Well they had the laser shaver in 6th Day. I think that is Cyberpunk as it has the elements needed, but it may be a subset called genepunk cause its genetic not computer tech.

[Max Sinister]

Genetics and biotechnology are Biopunk, logically.

[Fenwick]

Genetics and biotechnology are Biopunk, logically.

Perhaps, but to me that would be something only focused on biotechnology. Gatacca is a biopunk film as it is the all encompassing goal of the society. 6th day seems more like cyberpunk with genes thrown in given how its the evil corporation agaisnt one guy, and that technology is all around the characters.

[Zyzzyva]

Genetics and biotechnology are Biopunk, logically.

Which makes Bioshock... biodiesel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel)-punk? ;)

[alt_historian]

Some people still like Steampunk.

Anyways on topic: Diesel punk is I think best classified as Pulp with modern sensibilities, just like Steampunk is often based off older works, but is fundamentally very modern. It also often has noir elements because the two categories get mixed up peoples minds due to their similar chronological place.
That describes Skycaptain perfectly... :)

[euio]

That describes Skycaptain perfectly... :)
Yes indeed.

Sky Captain is awesome. You cannot beat underwater planes and Britannia ruling the skies with giant flying aircraft carriers. And German mechs. And German flying wing thingamjig ornithopters.

[Count Dearborn]

Yes indeed.

Sky Captain is awesome. You cannot beat underwater planes and Britannia ruling the skies with giant flying aircraft carriers. And German mechs. And German flying wing thingamjig ornithopters.

You should check out the rpg, GearKrieg.

[euio]

You should check out the rpg, GearKrieg.
What? Where? How?

[Count Dearborn]

What? Where? How?

Its a roleplaying/tabletop game produced by Dream Pod 9.

[euio]

Its a roleplaying/tabletop game produced by Dream Pod 9.
Link please?:cool:

[Count Dearborn]

Link please?:cool:

http://www.dp9.com/ (Ya lazy git.:D) GearKrieg is one of their gaming lines.

[euio]

Thankee! . . .

[Atom]

Yes indeed.

Sky Captain is awesome. You cannot beat underwater planes and Britannia ruling the skies with giant flying aircraft carriers. And German mechs. And German flying wing thingamjig ornithopters.
sky Captain created my longing for huge giant air-aircraft-carriers. Although with more zeppelins.

[euio]

sky Captain created my longing for huge giant air-aircraft-carriers. Although with more zeppelins.
The omission of Zeppelins after the first scene was the film's one major flaw.