Harry Potter: World War III

[August Sonereal]

I've haven't read the last book in a year, so I'm going on memory here.

What if Hogwarts fell, Harry is dead, everyone's dead, get the picture, its a big mess.

Voldemort, now confident that he can now do something else besides stalk and attempt to murder a teenager every year, decides to raise his army of...whatever he has and in 2020, he "invades" the world.

So, where would he invaded? How would it go?

[Snake Featherston]

I've haven't read the last book in a year, so I'm going on memory here.

What if Hogwarts fell, Harry is dead, everyone's dead, get the picture, its a big mess.

Voldemort, now confident that he can now do something else besides stalk and attempt to murder a teenager every year, decides to raise his army of...whatever he has and in 2020, he "invades" the world.

So, where would he invaded? How would it go?

The US drops a hydrogen bomb right smack on him.

The end. :p

[August Sonereal]

The problem is that I gave them until 2020. So, they're pretty spread out by now if the guy planned it thinking of the bomb.

OR

Millions of evil wizards, trolls, ghosts that suck your soul out from your mouth, and zombies, and they didn't think of the H-Bomb. :D

[snowzinger]

I've haven't read the last book in a year, so I'm going on memory here.

What if Hogwarts fell, Harry is dead, everyone's dead, get the picture, its a big mess.

Voldemort, now confident that he can now do something else besides stalk and attempt to murder a teenager every year, decides to raise his army of...whatever he has and in 2020, he "invades" the world.

So, where would he invaded? How would it go?

Well I have heard that certain heads of state know about Wizardry and Hogwarts, and im sure the U.N. has a contingency plan if the wizard world goes awry...

They would probably rally up a very powerful and precise airstrike on Hogwarts before Voldemort can walk away from the destroyed wreck of a castle.

And then a generous dollop of Delta Force, SAS, and Navy Seals to kill any stragglers.

[mmmeee0]

Auror-types from the Other Schools show up, with magical bullets in guns that the UN Peacekeepers aren't using...

[And I'm sure Voldemort would invade Britain, or is that insurrection?]

[gilbertk1993]

hed probably do it quiet at first, slowly switching out world leaders with his own, b/c isnt there a potion where ppl can look like other?

[August Sonereal]

Well I have heard that certain heads of state know about Wizardry and Hogwarts, and im sure the U.N. has a contingency plan if the wizard world goes awry...

They would probably rally up a very powerful and precise airstrike on Hogwarts before Voldemort can walk away from the destroyed wreck of a castle.

And then a generous dollop of Delta Force, SAS, and Navy Seals to kill any stragglers.

If they could find Hogwarts in the first place, this wouldn't even became a problem. Also, we're dealing with guys that can master stealth, change their appearance on whim, kill people (apparently) instantly (making body armor useless).

[jose1357]

personally, I always wondered why he never tried to imperio the russian/chinese etc. presidents to do a first strike/invasion to make us focus solely on our world while he takes over the magical one. After he took over the magical one and an all out nuclear war in ours, it should be a cake walk to take over the rest of the world

[Cockroach]

What if Hogwarts fell, Harry is dead, everyone's dead, get the picture, its a big mess.
Hmm... implications of Hogwarts falling? I'd expect at least a third or so of the wizarding population in the UK to be wiped out either in the battle or as retribution following it (of the named characters ~1/4 are half-blood or muggle-born... bound for extermination under Voldie's leadership, I'd also suspect many of those indirectly related to the Order of the Phoenix etc. to end up killed).

So, where would he invaded? How would it go?
It really depends on what kind of preperations are made (half the world's leaderes imperioed beforehand etc.). Given the general wizard disdain and ignorance of/for the muggle world it's quite likely that preperation will be grossly inadequate (of cause, Voldie having grown up in the muggle world may be an exception to that rule... but he hasn't had any real involvement with it since the 1940s and is thus probably still fairly behind the times).

In terms of combat?

1. Population
Wizard population of the UK min. 2000, max. <20,000, J.K.R.'s own statements suggest somewhere towards the lower end. Muggle population of the UK 60,000,000.
In short, no matter which extreme of the estimates of the wizarding population we take (and even if we assume no mass slaughter after the fall of Hogwarts) the Wizards will be outnumbered by 3-4 orders of magnitude.

2. Weapons
Yep, a wand can be deadly and bloody useful... but it's also bloody inaccurate (both based on performance in the books and on the rough analogy based on how a wand is wielded to pistols... giving an effective range without longterm, heavy intensity training to ~50m) and most combat magic seems to have a slow rate of propergation (as seen both in the movies and in the numerous occasions on which people dodge it). Plus, it takes seconds to cast (either verbally or non-verbally) anything vs miliseconds to press a trigger.

So, wand vs assult rifle? A wand is more of a swiss army knife (firearm and heavy artillary in one!) and more reliably deadly (given a hit)... but is outranged (effective range: 50m vs 300-500m); has a lower rate of fire and it's 'projectiles' are dodgable.

Once we bring in heavier weapons then we can see in any battle on an open field involving more than a squad or two of muggles is going to be deeply unpleasant for the wizards

3. Tactics
OotP indicates that even the elite of both sides in the Voldie/Dumbledore conflict are pretty much incapable of using more than the most primative of tactics. I mean the entire situation degenerates into a series of duels... and the Order quite happily gives up the highground to fight the Deatheaters toe to toe when they could have just pulverised 'em from the superior position.
In Deathly Hollows things are not much better.

Conclusion
If Voldie et al. decide to run a campaign based on hit and run raids they may be succesful... but if they end up entering into open battle they are doomed.

kill people (apparently) instantly (making body armor useless).
One of Rowling's great little ill-thoughout bits of writing... we simply don't have enough consistant info: despite AK being described as 'unblockable' we've seen it stopped by physical objects getting in the way (otherwise Harry would have karked it in OotP).

[Seldrin]

voldemort dies so fast it'll break all kinds of records, I mean, crappy little fireworks stick vs gun, any gun, it doesn't matter. Judging by the speed in the books and movies at which magic works, a gun is faster, one well placed shot from a sniper could very easily take him out.

[demonkangaroo]

Well, just because the British Wizard population get Evilfied,(is that a word? It should be!) the world is going to notice. Perhaps American and Canadian would invade Britain, as well as a lot of western European Wizards.

[Redem]

Well anyway wouldn't the wizard have an hard time occupying the world considering there number?

Maybe they'd turn England into somekind of Wizard Sparta

[the Apple Man]

I don't know guys. The average wizard might not be very effective against a gun, but Voldemort? If he could split his soul into seven I'm preety sure he could take on an entire army, if not buy himself then, he'd just manipulate politicians into doing what he want them to. He would have know need to go to war because he would work more effectivley as the secret world leader. That more or less what e did to the Ministry of magic in Book 7.

[Something]

I don't know guys. The average wizard might not be very effective against a gun, but Voldemort? If he could split his soul into seven I'm preety sure he could take on an entire army, if not buy himself then, he'd just manipulate politicians into doing what he want them to. He would have know need to go to war because he would work more effectivley as the secret world leader. That more or less what e did to the Ministry of magic in Book 7.

The main threat is the fact that he could coerce politicians into doing what he wants especially with all the mind control spells and such in HP. On the fact that he could take on an entire army, I highly doubt it. I forsee him getting killed by either a gun, artillery strike, mortar round, air strike, and etc.

[jmberry]

voldemort dies so fast it'll break all kinds of records, I mean, crappy little fireworks stick vs gun, any gun, it doesn't matter. Judging by the speed in the books and movies at which magic works, a gun is faster, one well placed shot from a sniper could very easily take him out.
Okay. But how well will that bullet work against a soul-sucking ghost that sniper can never see, or a giant built like a mountain, or a werewolf?

[Cockroach]

I don't know guys. The average wizard might not be very effective against a gun, but Voldemort?
If the soldiers in the army stand in single file, each patiently awaiting his fate, probably. Otherwise? Let's see:
"Avada Kadavre" pointing wand at one soldier
Bang... rifle round comes flying from another soldier.
Voldie kaput.
That more or less what e did to the Ministry of magic in Book 7.
You've got to wonder why he didn't do it the first time round. The answer is simple: Deus ex machina... JKR wanted to make things tough on Harry et al. and so the sudden and illogical success by Voldie.
On the fact that he could take on an entire army, I highly doubt it. I forsee him getting killed by either a gun, artillery strike, mortar round, air strike, and etc.
Dependent on destruction of all Horocruxes, I agree.
Okay. But how well will that bullet work against a soul-sucking ghost that sniper can never see, or a giant built like a mountain, or a werewolf?
Yep, Dementors could be a problem. Giants are less of an issue... they're suffiently small that hybridsation with humans can occur, and so one assumes sufficiently small that a 105mm HE shell will do very nasty things to 'em (probably sufficiently small that a 50 calibre round could bring one down).
Werewolves? May need silver to fully kill 'em... but blowing their limbs off and leaving the shattered ruin to turn back human (and die) later is always an option.

[Argosh]

Okay. But how well will that bullet work against a soul-sucking ghost that sniper can never see, or a giant built like a mountain, or a werewolf?Carpet bombing FTW! :cool:
The wizards are outnumbered and outgunned. Splat.

[Admiral Canaris]

Can Voldemort's army be quantified enough to make such a discussion meaningful? What does he have? Let's see.

*Unknown numbers of evil wizards/witches, probably a couple of hundreds tops (being generous, IIRC the Deatheaters have never been shown to be more than a score or two at most). These forces know a few tricks that humanity might have problems with (one-way invisibility cloaks and gimmicks like Marauder Maps can certainly be useful for specforces), but by and large their weapons are inferior to those of humanity. Brooms may prove an interesting challenge to Muggle forces, being relatively fast and manoeuvreable for ultra-light airplanes and making small targets with little radar or heat signature.

*Unknown number of other wizards/witches pressganged into his army (could be low thousands at most, being VERY generous; Hogwarts appears to be the only wizard school in England, and it has only a couple of hundred pupils in any given year at the very most, including unknown percentage of Mubbleborns, that thus being the upper limit for Wizard nativity). Same as above, except that the quality of the troops will be lower and their loyalty dubious at best.

*Unknown number of giants (no data for estimating), who can apparently destroy small cities (no more precise figures on damage or casualties); scaling from Hagrid suggests that they're immune to magic, but not mortal weapons; scaling from Grawp suggests that they are rather stupid and easy targets for field artillery.

*Unkown number of Dementors (low hundreds at most, probably, given that they exist only in one place in the world, Azkaban). Vulnerable only to magical weaponry and invisible to Mugglers, may pose a problem for an entirely secular force. Still, not a strategic threat due to low numbers and slow-working weapons (from film), but rather very potent specforces.

*Unknown number of dragons, probably low hundreds at most (supposed to be rare). Breath fire, capable of flight and possibly hovering (was a while since I saw HPatGoF). Probably to be used for transport or gunships, but still easy targets.

*Unknown numbers of vampires, werewolfes and generic fantasy beasties, no quantification possible given lack of observed abilities.

In open combat, this force should prove little problem for even Britain's peacetime forces to deal with. As previously noted, wizard tactics are primitive, and their standard sidearm (wand) is rather ineffective compared to modern weaponry. However, they do have a number of advantages that make them particularly suitable for guerrilla warfare:

*Logistics. Wizard technology works on fiat and doesn't need fuel or ammunition. All their forces need is food and drink, and they can magic in that.

*Mobility. Wizards can transport instantly by Ghostly Teleportation or whatever it's called, apparently with little risk for misdirection, and presumably to anywhere (except magically shielded locations). Any grown-up can apparently do this, which makes them exceedingly hard to catch; they can strike at their leisure.

*Medicine. Wizards can replace lost limbs easily, staunch bloodflows, mend broken bones with a wave of their wand, etc.

*Specforces. As noted, most of their forces are eminently suited for raids, with various gizmos that secular humans can't counter or disrupt. A teleporting squad of invisible wizards would be very difficult to defeat unless trapped with something like nerve gas.

*Intelligence. Wizard intelligence is obscenely powerful. In the later books (I tend to forget whether it's OotF or the next one), the PM remarks that bridges and cities have been supernaturally destroyed. To conceal even one giant attack on a city, painting it as a storm, the Wizards are required to have disrupted a positively staggering amount of intelligence gathering and communications functions among the seculars, from spy and weather satellites down to the local telephone grid and every single radio transmitter (else, the local constabulary would've called for help when fifty-feet trolls showed up). Worse, they could casually mindwipe the entire city's population, as well as anyone they might have contacted. In the same book, it's revealed that they have people inside Britain's government at all times. Add to this the potential of the Imperius Curse, effectively single-word-guided mind control (can be resisted by uberduper willpowers like Gary Stu Potter,though, so it's not quite no-limits). Also, Polyjuice Potions and various shapeshifter stuff.

The outcome of the battle depends on how Voldemort plays it. If he's smart and uses all his sneaky assets to destroy the secular chain of command and saboage their communications, he can possibly interdict a fragmented Britain and conquer it piecemeal (or even better, just enslave the government and rule the country from the shadows). But if he prefers being his usual stupid self and faces off humanity in the field... well, look up Stuart Slade's "Armageddon" to see what happens.

[Admiral Canaris]

On Voldemort: I never read the last book in protest of Rowling making Dubledore homosexual. What's the deal with the Horrorcruxes? Is it that he'll be "reborn" every time he dies, or that he's physically immortal?

[Cockroach]

On Voldemort: I never read the last book in protest of Rowling making Dubledore homosexual. What's the deal with the Horrorcruxes? Is it that he'll be "reborn" every time he dies, or that he's physically immortal?
Ties his soul to Earth, but his physical form can still be destroyed (and remade).

[Admiral Canaris]

Ah, just blow up then, and kill again when he returns.

Further: What would Earth do once it had defeated the Wizarding World? I suspect we won't be coming as liberators, after the liberal amounts of damage that Voldemort's moderately smart underlings will have wrought on us. Would we even keep the Wizards alive? They're weapons in and of themselves, every one of them (Harry from first book, Voldemort's childhood in HPatHBP). The least we can expect would be internment and humanity taking over, pulling down the exclusive Wizarding areas. Probably pogroms and war crimes trials too.

[William Blake]

Ties his soul to Earth, but his physical form can still be destroyed (and remade). Besides, everytime he had
his physical form restored, he had to have qualified help, either from
a dominated wizard or from a willing death eater. That means, if wizardkind
disappears, so does effectively Voldermort, even if he may
technically survive a few centuries, inhabiting animal bodies, or objects...:p

[William Blake]

Ah, just blow up then, and kill again when he returns.

Further: What would Earth do once it had defeated the Wizarding World? I suspect we won't be coming as liberators, after the liberal amounts of damage that Voldemort's moderately smart underlings will have wrought on us. Would we even keep the Wizards alive? They're weapons in and of themselves, every one of them (Harry from first book, Voldemort's childhood in HPatHBP). The least we can expect would be internment and humanity taking over, pulling down the exclusive Wizarding areas. Probably pogroms and war crimes trials too.
Paradoxically enough, I think wizardkind's best hope lies in the collaborationist wizards to find some forgotten potion, or spell either to forbid magic from being performed on Earth forevermore... Or a tamper-proof method to strip one's magical powers forever, even down to his (her) descendants.

[Admiral Canaris]

Perhaps. But then that raises the question of how they are to be integrated into society without all their magical gimmicks. From what we know from the books, their knowledge of technology and modern society is slim to nonexistent (Mediaeval inquisition courts, government official and head of the Muggle Technology Department knowing virtually zilch). And, of course, they'll be hated by everyone. Even if the war's relatively limited, conservative Christians will think they are demons or somesuch, and if the war is reasonably destructive, they'll have the entire population against them (except perhaps some New Age fangirls).

[Iamwinterborn]

Sigh... I can't believe I am posting in here... :o:rolleyes::D


Okay, wizards actually do have some basic innate protection from muggle weaponry. (Now, if a wizard actually enchanted a sniper rifle and bullets with some basic spells... THEN there would be some interesting possible outcomes.)

Think about when they are just kids and haven't learned how to control their power... they randomly apparate, can make glass dissapear, etc., whenever they are threatened by just normal things.


Oh and just remembered:



(Imperturbable Charm)
Description: Makes objects such as doors impenetrable (by everything, including sounds and objects). Seen/Mentioned: The spell is used by Mrs Weasley in Order of the Phoenix on the door of the room in which an Order meeting was being held, in order to prevent her sons, Fred and George, from eavesdropping (using their extendable ears). Suggested Etymology: Latin imperturbatus meaning "calm" or "undisturbed".[ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spells_in_Harry_Potter#cite_note-und-12)

I'd presume the Imperturable Charm would also work on bullets. I'd assume it has a lessened, if any, affect on spells, which is why it is not used more often in the wizarding world.

Now, also, muggles have NO protection against magic whatsoever. That means spells which normally you would have to concentrate on a single wizard or small group to have any kind of success, can just be sort of randomly blasted over an area, and about 95% of the people will be affected.


Think about the protections put around the World Cup game. They just put a spell up in the area that makes people feel like they have something else to do, and I believe there was even a small bit of forgetfulness on top. There goes most large armies ability to fight right there.


Now, a modern day army might have some individuals or units that would be able to fight through those kinfs of spells through willpower. But that puts the fight on a more numerically even field.


So, now we've ruled out an all out brawl between to armies, as the wizards would still have the advantage. Not to mention the point, how is the muggle army going to find the wizards AT ALL? Unless the wizards are COMPLETELY brain dead: Fidelius Charm on the wizard army location, they can make places unplottable (how are they going to launch a missile at a place that can't be found on a map?), AND they can imperius people.


Also, Veela.


Oops. There goes the rest of the army... :D:D:D


Okay, in all seriousness. Yes, wizard vs. trained muggle soldier in a fight the wizard wasn't expecting, the soldier might win. IF his/her first few shots hit.

And, I'll admit, Wizards do have a blind spot when it comes to muggle technology. But I think after a major war, and after voldemort has been in hiding for such a long time, they might have learned a FEW things about conserving their forces, charms to hide themselves, and also general protection charms.

Not to mention one small fact: If the war ISN'T over within a week or month....
Wizards CAN use guns/cars/tanks. They just don't consider them except to blend in once in awhile.
Muggles CAN'T use wands.

While yes, voldemort's army has the small disadvantage of not having muggleborns in their midst, I would not be surprised that if the war lasted any considerable length of time, they would eventually enchant a tank with the impertuable charm, make the tank unplottable, add some sort of blasting spell to the tank's shells, and just sort of cruise through the opposition.


Face it, the only advantage muggles have is that they aren't going to be underestimating the opposition, and they probably aren't going to be arrogantly assuming victory.

But that's tempered by the fact that muggles really have NO idea what wizards are capable of against them.

This leads to one conclusion:

Voldemort is probably NOT going to make a move on the general muggle populace until he has at least secured his borders in England. Also, I can see most of the muggles in England getting wiped out mysteroiously, and there still being a cover story reasonably intact. After all, people might just assume a dangerous disease was let loose and that it's ______ government's fault, and now we'll have to wait 28 days so that the creatures the populace has become will starve. (Hey, he's got inferi... :D:D:D)

This means the only way the muggle populace is going to get involved is if the rest of the wizarding world tells them.

Also, English wizards seem to be very arrogant, self centered, and..well essentially everything that world thinks of americans right now. Redneck Americans at that, when it comes to most of the wizards' approach to tecnology and new spells: (Hey, Frank, watch this!)

The other wizards might have some entirely different magic (Native American shamans, Buddhist monks with elemental powers... :rolleyes::D:p).



World war 3? pfft. While Hitler=Voldemort comparison is pretty good, I don't think Voldemort will have the manpower to take on the rest of the world. Err.. well... WIZARDING manpower.

While an army of inferi made out of the entire former population of the british isles is disconcerting... they probably WON'T have the same kind of protection that a wizard could, making them more susceptible to conventional weapons. Napalm anyone?


And.. oh good god. I've been typing for 20 minutes. Time to stop. :eek::eek::eek:

[Admiral Canaris]

Assuming that spell can withstand military-grade firepower is a no-limits fallacy. Otherwise, why have locks on doors at all? Moreover, why have doors when you could just have enspelled curtains?

And the things that make stuff magically unplottable are all implied to be stationary, aren't they? Can they move around freely?

[Something]

In my opinion most wizards are not as strong as some of the students in HW. I mean in the 6th book it was mentioned that most wizards who work in the ministry of magic can't even do a simple shield charm.

[August Sonereal]

IF, the war lasts long enough, the Lord Voldie and his Band of Merry men should at least learn how to use a tank evantually, or at least a gun. After all, pulling a trigger at what you want to die isn't that hard, reloading and taking care of it is.

It could even be a stalemate, considering the Voldemort's Forces easily don't have the manpower to have lock down more than a small country.

In a few generations, this could change.

[Something]

IF, the war lasts long enough, the Lord Voldie and his Band of Merry men should at least learn how to use a tank evantually, or at least a gun. After all, pulling a trigger at what you want to die isn't that hard, reloading and taking care of it is.

It could even be a stalemate, considering the Voldemort's Forces easily don't have the manpower to have lock down more than a small country.

In a few generations, this could change.


I highly doubt that, the had centuries to at least adopt muggle weapons, yet they don't.

[August Sonereal]

I guess the reason they didn't adopt the weapons is because they didn't feel the need too. The weren't out for world domination and past muggle technology wasn't really as powerful as a wand.

[Admiral Canaris]

Another thing to consider is the possibility of Wizard defectors. Even in low numbers, they'll do much to dismantle whatever advantage Voldemort has. His chances for victory depends on his gimmicks being uncounterable; if they can be shielded against, or even accurately predicted, he doesn't stand a chance.

[August Sonereal]

The problem is that Voldemort's Forces would be constantly purging Britain of any "mudblood". If they catch one, they could just read that guy's mind, and find more.

[William Blake]

I guess the reason they didn't adopt the weapons is because they didn't feel the need too. The weren't out for world domination and past muggle technology wasn't really as powerful as a wand. I rather think that is a matter of snobishness.
In other words, they are so persuaded of the superiority of their "arts"
that they refuse to even consider anything a muggle might devise as
POSSIBLY advantageous to an wizard. Take for instance how revolutionary was
considered to stitch Weasley's wound! And surgical stitching is a very,
very old practice...:p

[William Blake]

The problem is that Voldemort's Forces would be constantly purging Britain of any "mudblood". If they catch one, they could just read that guy's mind, and find more.
Actually, that is an advantage to to the muggle side. If a "mudblood"
can be reasonably sure that he, or at least a good fraction of his family
will be killed if Voldermort wins, then he will do anything to counter
old voldy's side, even running a considerable personal risk.
And the most obvious thing to do is to provide the muggles with
information against Voldy's side.

[William Blake]

Okay, in all seriousness. Yes, wizard vs. trained muggle soldier in a fight the wizard wasn't expecting, the soldier might win. IF his/her first few shots hit. Well, it wouldn't be a matter of "wizard vs. trained
muggle soldier", for all that the wizard might EXPECT that. It would be a matter of "wizard vs. trained muggle soldiers" and, for all that muggle soldiers might get offed in the process, in the end wizards will be dead, victims of their duel-obssessed mindset.


Not to mention one small fact: If the war ISN'T over within a week or month....
Wizards CAN use guns/cars/tanks. They just don't consider them except to blend in once in awhile.
: Not really, they can't. Oh, we saw Weasley using a car,
but he is very unusual among wizards, and Voldy's party is even more set
in the old ways than even the ministry wizards. Voldy himself for all that
he is mudblood himself, is even more set in the "if it is muggle-related,
it is worthless" atitude than the others - to him, it is a matter of denial.
That is why he killed his father - he was the palpable proof of his origins.
Voldy would probably murder personally any DE who proposed to use
a muggle artifact. He is obssessed through and trough with the idea of
having nothing to do with muggles. :p
Have you ever seen somebody who is persuaded he (or she) can't
use a computer? They'd rather touch a snake than push a computer's key.
And they are not the product of a machine-rejecting culture.
The wizards would be a much harder case...:D

[August Sonereal]

If Voldemort goes the Hitler-esque route, they will be wiped out....quickly.

If, on the otherhand, Voldemort realizes that the only chance he has for winning is to at least try to get others on his side, then he might last longer.

Who knows, what's stopping a few muggles from helping Voldie?

[Cockroach]

Who knows, what's stopping a few muggles from helping Voldie?
1. The chances of ending up dead due to Death Easters' showing their dislike of muggles.
2. A few muggles helping Voldie is next to nothing. A few wizards helping the muggles is between a sizable fraction of a percent and multiple-percent of the wizarding population (dependent on level of slaughter inflicted by Voldie after Harry's end).

[August Sonereal]

Hmm....alright.

So all in all, how much doom, gloom, and destruction will Voldie cause before he's blown to bit beyonds recongonition?

[jmberry]

Hold on.

How is the Prime Minister going to convince Parliament, the military, and the British public that there's a wizardring underworld right under their noses and that it's planning to kill them all.

[August Sonereal]

Ding Ding Ding!

I just realize that only heads of states know about this. How could they convince the public? I'm pretty sure the guys at Above Top Secret wouldn't beleive that a string of killings of top level government employees was done with magic.

[Admiral Canaris]

I suppose they'd have to throw in an Infernii (or whatever they call the zombies) into Parliament first to convince everyone. Or, they'll just have to wait till one city's attacked (Deatheaters on random sprees apparently isn't uncommon) and use the evidence gathered there (if they have defectors, they can stop the usual information purge).

[MerryPrankster]

Okay. But how well will that bullet work against a soul-sucking ghost that sniper can never see, or a giant built like a mountain, or a werewolf?

A Dementor could be a problem, particulalry since according to JKR, they cannot be killed (at least by magical means), only controlled (I assume corralled via the use of the Patronus Charm).

Would fire affect a Dementor? Or perhaps some kind of electromagnetic attack?

Giants and werewolves could be taken out conventionally.

[MerryPrankster]

Hold on.

How is the Prime Minister going to convince Parliament, the military, and the British public that there's a wizardring underworld right under their noses and that it's planning to kill them all.

There's a HP fanfic entitled "Mud, Blood, and the Sound of Guns" where it hits the British press.

"Muggleborns Tell All!"

[August Sonereal]

Dementors would wreak havoc for some time, that can't be helped that much.

[John Masaki]

Yeah, but they do have two weaknesses:

Patronus Charm and possibly chocolate. And even if Muggles can't see 'em, they can still feel its effects.

Oh, yes, I remember a fanfic where Fred and George used chocolate to defeat Dementors. Can't remember the name of it to save my life though.

[John Masaki]

There's a HP fanfic entitled "Mud, Blood, and the Sound of Guns" where it hits the British press.

"Muggleborns Tell All!"
Got a link for it?

EDIT: Nevermind, found it.

[August Sonereal]

How smart are people though? If someone told you that chocolate can keep this soulsuckers from hell away, would you listen or laugh?

[Milarqui]

hed probably do it quiet at first, slowly switching out world leaders with his own, b/c isnt there a potion where ppl can look like other?

The Polyjuice Potion only lasts an hour, it's has a horrible texture and taste and it requires constant supplies of something from the person to be supplanted (normally hairs, although anything that can be considered part of the body can be used), so I doubt someone could successfully supplant a person without giving other people clues over their being impostors, because the Polyjuice Potion only gives you the physical appearance of the person, not every detail in the person's life - although this may be extracted from the original person through Legillimency (a charm that allows, more or less, to read minds), Veritaserum (a potion that makes someone say the truth) or the Imperius Curse (the ones affected by this can be forced to do whatever the caster asks of them, but it can be broken as Harry does in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire).

[Milarqui]

Yeah, but they do have two weaknesses:

Patronus Charm and possibly chocolate. And even if Muggles can't see 'em, they can still feel its effects.

Oh, yes, I remember a fanfic where Fred and George used chocolate to defeat Dementors. Can't remember the name of it to save my life though.

I know of one, which is called Make a Wish, by Rorschach's Blot (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2318355/1/Make_A_Wish). More or less at the end of it, Fred and George create a Chocolate Frog card which expels large quantities of hot chocolate upon being tapped by a wand.

I'm not sure if this is the one you were talking about.

[Mike Stearns]

There's a HP fanfic entitled "Mud, Blood, and the Sound of Guns" where it hits the British press.

"Muggleborns Tell All!"


Found it.

Mud, Blood and the Sound of Guns (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3446331/1/Mud_Blood_&_the_Sound_of_Guns)


Holy crap! That's DARK.