Modern day finland sent to 1939

[Mike O'Neal]

What if modern day Finland was sent back to November first 1939?

[ilalthal]

i would say finland wank, but i know nothing about finland. i will now go and fix this.

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yes, it would problay be a finwank. they got pretty good economy in manufacturing transportation and electronics. there energy is pretty good, they have 4-6 nuke power plants. a good military, if wikipedia can be trusted.

if they suffer a major military defeat there screwed though, i dont think they have the numbers to recover from any major losses.

dont know if the war would start at the same time though

[The Alternate Finn]

Will Finland have its modern-day borders or the 1939 borders?

If the Winter War plays out like OTL, Finland would be more than adequate to fend off the 1939 Soviet forces, military-tech-wise (F-18's, T-72's, Leopard 2's, Valmet 76/95 assault rifles, modern recon and communication systems and the like), but I don't know about fuel and ordnance supplies for the army or the civilian population in 1939 world (on the longer run at least).

After (most probably) stopping the Soviet attack, I think Finland will opt to develop nukes ASAP as future insurance. I don't know much about producing nukes either, but I believe weapons-grade plutonium could be produced in civilian nuclear reactors? Rudimentary aircraft-dropped nuke bombs would be produced ASAP.

Politically, Finland would seek alliance with Great Britain, France, United States, Sweden and Norway ASAP. And probably vice versa. Nazi Germany might be defeated earlier than OTL, giving the "future knowledge" Finns would bring with them. About Soviet relations I dare not guess.

[ac220v]

weapons-grade plutonium could be produced in civilian nuclear reactors?
Plutonium is produced in any reactor, but you really should have special reactor OR isotope separation, - if neither is available it won't be weapons-grade.

But even mere information about nukes you can scrounge from up-time sources would be worth... Well, +infinity or so in 1939. Any functional reactor, - even more.

Re assault rifles and such, - would there be enough ammunition?

[NHBL]

To use the phrasing of the US miliary, that's what would happen. It would take only a VERY short battle for the Soviets to decide that this is a BAD idea, yet I doubt Finland would try to advance after shattering what came after them
As for ammunition, I'd expect that any army will have enough on hand for the opening days, at least, of a war. And opening days is all there would be. Just the night air attack ability of the Finnish air force well shatter the Soviets, and they also won't have an important bridge anywhere near the front.

[Justin Green]

If 2008 Finland showed up there would be some thin slices of 1939 Finland left over. With probably a large chunk of the Finnish Army from 1939 stationed there.

So the Russians would have to fight the militaries of both Finlands.

[DuQuense]

The government of Estonia accepted the ultimatum, signing the corresponding agreement on September 28, 1939. Latvia followed on October 5, 1939 and Lithuania shortly thereafter, on October 10, 1939. The agreements permitted the Soviet Union to establish military bases on the Baltic states' territory for the duration of the European war[15] and station 25,000 Soviet soldiers in Estonia, 30,000 in Latvia and 20,000 in Lithuania from October, 1939.
Finland was offered the same opportunity to sign a pact; however, the Finns refused,[18] and on November 30, 1939 the Soviet Union attacked Finland, launching the Winter War. The attack was judged as illegal by the League of Nations, which expelled the Soviet Union on December 14.[19] The war was brought to an end on March 13, 1940, when Finland and the Soviet Union signed the Moscow Peace Treaty. While Finland had resisted being conquered, it was nevertheless coerced to cede nearly all of Finnish Karelia (with Finland's industrial center, including Vyborg/Viipuri, Finland's second largest city; in total, nearly 10% of the territory), even though large parts were still held by Finland's army. Military troops and remaining civilians were hastily evacuated to areas inside the new border. 422,000 Karelians, 12% of Finland's population, lost their homes. Finland also had to cede a part of the Salla area, the Finnish part of the Kalastajansaarento (Rybachi) peninsula in the Barents Sea, and in the Gulf of Finland the islands of Suursaari, Tytärsaari, Lavansaari and Seiskari. Finally, the Hanko Peninsula was leased to the Soviet Union as a naval base for 30 years. In June 1941, hostilities between Finland and USSR resumed in the Continuation War.


This is a full month before the Winter war started. I don't see Stalin Attacking Finland.
Nor do I see Finland attacking to restore Poland or the Baltics.
OTOH there will be no Invasion of Norway ITTL.

The esponage war that Hitler and Stalin will wage against Finland will be very vicious.

[NHBL]

Finland has the firepower to stop a short invasion, and amazing technological currency to bargain for assistance from the USA, Britian, and France.
Espionage may be TOUGH! 21st century ID and even currency is almost imnpossible to forge for 1930's technology. But, there will be some rats in any nation..that's the potential trouble.

[Xenos]

Finland has a highly advanced nuclear industry and could build a bomb very quickly. So, Finalnd could pretty much demand whatever she wanted. Russia would have to surrender all of Karelia and the Kola region including Murmasnk. Estonia would probably desire a union with their cousins, the Finns.

[Caledor]

it would take japan something like a year to start making nuclear weapons and they have the worlds third largest nuclear energy production, an uranium enrichment plant and tons of plutonium, so i think that it will take the Finns some time to start lobing nukes around.

but the 422 000 Karelians, living in the (at the time) most industrialised area of Finland in addition to the army units there will probably give modern Finland all the time they need to mobilise

[Promethean]

If 2008 Finland showed up there would be some thin slices of 1939 Finland left over. With probably a large chunk of the Finnish Army from 1939 stationed there.

So the Russians would have to fight the militaries of both Finlands.


Hey dad you do look younger here. :D

[santosza]

I want to imagine an idea where the Soviet Union will attack the Finnish Army. That's what I would like to see, seeing the Finnish army fighting against a foe that has in their eyes ancient technology.

Now I want to do is bring this thread into a general direction, what I want from all of you is to tell the community how the battle would play out.

Write a story or something that is relevant to this thread.

I will start off with an idea.....


Finland, Southern Defence Line.

If you have a look at all the broken glass and the toys of dead bodies, all that is there is twisted art. Metal in strange shapes, fires that smoulder and small voices in the wind.

The war here is hard for the Soviet star. You come to expect a hardened enemy and now all you see is wreckage. Life for the Soviet conscript isn't a walk to liberation. It's a nice skip and a hop to death.

You wonder sometimes whether the men that you shoot down are actually the men you think about and sometimes whether they are all...

Karliei get yourself up here and stop writing, this isn't the time to be writing a book.

Oh sorry sir I was just thinking about what.. err never mind. What are we supposed to be doing again ?

A slap was hard enough to break any man but sometimes a slap was all that needed to wake Karliei. He was shouted at by the officer " See my hands across your face, wake up you prick. We have a war to fight here, you can wri