A Japanese ISOT

[Syphon]

WI on the evening of December 8th 2008 every piece of Japanese military equipment, ships, boats, planes, submarines, rifles, ordinance, uniforms etc is ISOT'd to the evening of December 8 1941 the day after pearl Harbour?

So how long does all this equipment exyend the war in the Pacific?

Does it cause so much expenditure of men and material that the nazis remain in control of Germany until the end of 45 or 46?

Lets discuss.

[admkenshin]

IF the 1941 Japanese could figure out how to use it, then they could easily force a peace treaty with the US. With the USN and the AF at the bottom of the ocean, the lack of small arms that modern day japan suffers from wont be a problem, since no US troops can get to Asia anyway.

China is still a slow grinder, and while the japanese might figure out how to duplicate some of their modern equipment, I don't think it's enough to win an extended war in China. Air superiority doesn't help that much against guerilla warfare, although helicopters will be useful. Eventually though, they'll have to withdraw from China.

Japan will have a tech advantage in the post war world, enough to keep any Russian aggression at bay (so they really don't need to help the germans).

[Syphon]

IF the 1941 Japanese could figure out how to use it, then they could easily force a peace treaty with the US. With the USN and the AF at the bottom of the ocean, the lack of small arms that modern day japan suffers from wont be a problem, since no US troops can get to Asia anyway.

China is still a slow grinder, and while the japanese might figure out how to duplicate some of their modern equipment, I don't think it's enough to win an extended war in China. Air superiority doesn't help that much against guerilla warfare, although helicopters will be useful. Eventually though, they'll have to withdraw from China.

Japan will have a tech advantage in the post war world, enough to keep any Russian aggression at bay (so they really don't need to help the germans).

Do you really think that Roosevelt could politically afford to make peace with the Japanese.
The level of distrust and outright hatred in those times is still reflected even today in Australia's military clubs.
I'm only a social member and the way many of the WWII veterans speak of the Japanese hasn't diminished over the years especially those who were in their captivity.
Sure the japanese will a massive tech boost but apart from the equipment already on hand they can't replace any of it.
If the US has to exchange a 1000 fighters for every japanese F-15 then they probably will.
US production peaked in 1944 and started a wind down I believe they were producing over 150000 per year.
The cost will be high but i believe that the US would pay it.

[admkenshin]

There is no way the US put out 150,000 fighter a year. Are you sure it wasn't 15,000?

The Japanese can't replace their losses, and probably can't get people to fly the craft anyway, it's pretty different from a WW2 era fighter (you gotta work with the computer, and don't try to keep the plane aloft by brute force).

If they get a few pilots and technicians, then I don't see how the US could keep fighting. Remember, Japan can get the oil she needs from SEA, she doesn't need to conquer USA, just sinking the fleet will be enough.

Eventually, Japan will have a nuke and delivery systems, and then what can the US do? Go down in flames? It should also be noted that a lot of the hate came from propaganda, the US can just stop fueling the flames.

[Syphon]

There is no way the US put out 150,000 fighter a year. Are you sure it wasn't 15,000?


I believe that the figure was 150000 aircraft of all types.
It really puts into perspective the gulf between the USA and the rest of the world when it came to manufacturing doesn't it.

[admkenshin]

I believe that the figure was 150000 aircraft of all types.
It really puts into perspective the gulf between the USA and the rest of the world when it came to manufacturing doesn't it.

Yes, it does. But, how much losses will be acceptable? If Japan manages to launch their planes from aircraft carriers, what would the US public think of getting bombed?

At any rate, we might see the rest of the allies signing an armistice on teh condition that Japan doesn't help out germany too much, while the US and Japan settle into a pacific cold war.

Japan will still be ahead in tech for a long time, but the US will be able to catch up. It will take decades though, and I can't see them being at war for that long.