An Age of Miracles: The Revival of Rhomanion

[Evilprodigy]

Originally Posted by Dragos Cel Mare

No, Southern Bug.

Thank you, what about the HRE?

[Dragos Cel Mare]

I don't know how to find it either.

[Evilprodigy]

Completed map.

[Evilprodigy]

The fully completed map has been posted above after I edited out the old post. Please note that Bulgaria is staying one state since I am unsure about the border between the two Bulargian states.
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[Grouchio]

Since when did Scotland get conquered by Norway?!

[Evilprodigy]

Originally Posted by Grouchio

Since when did Scotland get conquered by Norway?!

It was mentioned in B444's update in Greenland.

[Elfwine]

Originally Posted by Grouchio

Since when did Scotland get conquered by Norway?!

Isn't it a personal union from Scotland's side of the sheets?

[Dragos Cel Mare]

It's the Jalayrids, not the Ilkhanate.

[Evilprodigy]

Originally Posted by Dragos Cel Mare

It's the Jalayrids, not the Ilkhanate.

Done.......

[Ain]

Is it me, or does Hungary really need to take OTL Bosnia to make sure it's southern approach to it's capital stays somewhat protected?

[Dragos Cel Mare]

Perhaps, but then again, it's secure in the knowledge that Serbia (which is friendly anyway) will get invaded from the south by the Romans if they try anything.

[Grouchio]

Just found a forensic reconstruction of Shah Rukh/the Hongwu Emperor.

[Dragos Cel Mare]

Can anyone give me a link to the Greenland story? I don't want to have to wave through pages of comments in order to find it.

[Evilprodigy]

Originally Posted by Dragos Cel Mare

Can anyone give me a link to the Greenland story? I don't want to have to wave through pages of comments in order to find it.

For a moment there I thought you were talking about my TL
Here is the Greenland update.

[Massa Chief]

Are the Ottos going to Persianize like previous Turkish dynasties did? They had a lot of Persian influence in OTL, and that was when they ruled someplace outside of actual Persia. With that much of Persia under Osmanli control, could we see a Osmanli Shahanshah soon enough? Or perhaps a loss of Persian land and a turn towards the Levant, which probably has less cultural resistance than the millenia-old Persian culture, which had assimilated everything that had conquered it.

[eliphas8]

Originally Posted by Massa Chief

Are the Ottos going to Persianize like previous Turkish dynasties did? They had a lot of Persian influence in OTL, and that was when they ruled someplace outside of actual Persia. With that much of Persia under Osmanli control, could we see a Osmanli Shahanshah soon enough? Or perhaps a loss of Persian land and a turn towards the Levant, which probably has less cultural resistance than the millenia-old Persian culture, which had assimilated everything that had conquered it.

Well but Mesopotamia is now heavily Turkified because of the refugees from Roman reconquest and the long term effects of Ottoman rule so if they continue to rule from Baghdad they are unlikely to Persianize.

By the way what is Baghdad like currently? Has it experience any major changes in the time period of the TL?

[Massa Chief]

Well yes- Mesopotamia is certainly Turkish. But I can't see a Turkified Persia- Levant, Sinai, upper Arabia- all can be Turkified. Persia? No.

[Evilprodigy]

Originally Posted by Massa Chief

Well yes- Mesopotamia is certainly Turkish. But I can't see a Turkified Persia- Levant, Sinai, upper Arabia- all can be Turkified. Persia? No.

He didn't say that Persia would be Turkified.

[Grouchio]

Originally Posted by Evilprodigy

He didn't say that Persia would be Turkified.

Persia always seems to assimilate it's captives into it's own culture thanks to it's culture being very rich...

[Basileus444]

Elfwine: The Romans didn't do as well as they could, but there will be a rematch.

Tyg: More sympathetic Marinids are a possibility. But their main focus is the western and central mediterranean, not the eastern. So any intervention in the Levant would probably be small. As for Barsbay, his position right now is extremely bad, but Adana shows he is a fighter.

Shnurre: Thanks. It is a bit of a betrayal, although not deliberately. The update below will explain how non Roman-Mameluke affairs forced a premature breakup of hostilities and the light peace treaty.

Dragos Cel Mare: Thanks.

Evilprodigy: The Mamelukes did get off lightly. But there is a good reason why.

The map you're talking about is attached at the bottoms, credit goes to Tapirus Augustus. The main changes are the Polish conquest of Danzig, Denmark's conquest of a good piece of northern Germany, including Hamburg and Lubeck, and Saxony's conquest of the rest of Pomerania.

Very good map. I like it.

And for the record, your TL was the inspiration for the Greenland update.

bolhabela: The wars will be long and bloody. A clash of titans can't really be any other way.

rldragon: Glad you liked it. The original draft had a Roman victory at Adana, but I felt that was too easy. Plus my plans require a strong Mameluke Sultanate to stick around for a while.

Tapirus Augustus: That's a good idea, and something the Romans will try to push in the future. But the war isn't happening in a vacuum, and events in the rest of the world made it seem that Constantinople needs its army free now. The update will make those clear.

thekingsguard: Yeah, it's been more little bites than giant gulps from Constantinople's point of view. The Romans keep getting distracted.

Sidheach: Thanks. Good idea.

elkarlo: The Mamelukes are drawing on preexisting supplies, plus Sudanese stocks and local levies. The latter are really bad, as shown how the Varangians beat them without breaking a sweat despite being outnumbered over four to one.

eliphas8: Zanzibar was a source, but there is now both Yemen and Ethiopia blocking the way, so it's difficult getting shipments through. The Marinids though, with access to the Jolof Empire, are becoming a major supplier of black slaves.

Baghdad is doing better than OTL, since it's the capital of a major power and a center for Muslim learning, population around 90,000.

M79: Well, the Romans want their pound of flesh, but there is a concern that while they're getting it, their neighbors will invade and take much more. The coming update will make what I'm talking about clear.

Mathalamus: Well, this is the current diplomatic status for the Romans, Ottomans (distracted by Persian affairs, decent relations), Georgia (good relations), Russia (good relations, strong trade ties), Vlachia (same as Russia), Serbia (wild card, but Thracian tagma is still in Europe), Venice (still not fully recovered from 1410s), and Naples (watched by the 16,000 soldiers stationed in Italy).

MerryPrankster: That'd be my explanation, plus problems of their own. In the ATL Romans' case, they either have good relations with neighbors, or smaller powers who aren't too big of a threat and who can be held in check by small detachments.

luis3007: Yeah, the next Roman-Mameluke war is definitely going to be a lot more complicated than the first, that's for sure.

The Sandman: That's the way to look at it.

Grouchio: Scotland is in personal union with Norway, with Norway as the senior partner. This is a very recent development, only a few years old.

Ain: Hungary does feel the need to readjust the border, and they will try in the near future.

Massa Chief: There will definitely be (and already is some) Persianification of the Osmanlis. They won't go completely native, since they have Turkish Mesopotamia and a strong cultural tradition going on already, but Osmanli Shahanshahs are definitely in the cards.