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Old November 25th, 2011, 11:14 PM
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1901-1910: Edward VII (House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha)
Since you are including nicknames, I would like to point out that for his many affairs, Edward VII was by some dubbed "Edward the Caresser."

Oh, and...

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1016-1035: Cnut (House of Denmark)
As a Scanian, I have special attachment to King Cnut, seeing he ruled both our lands. I demand that you recognize his greatness by giving him his epithet.

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Old November 25th, 2011, 11:17 PM
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Since you are including nicknames, I would like to point out that for his many affairs, Edward VII was by some dubbed "Edward the Caresser."
I've also heard he was dubbed "Tum-tum" for being...well, fat, but I couldn't see it cited often enough to be sure of putting it there.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 11:22 PM
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I've also heard he was dubbed "Tum-tum" for being...well, fat, but I couldn't see it cited often enough to be sure of putting it there.
Well, at least be kind enough to make King Cnut the Great again, will you?

Please?
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Old November 26th, 2011, 12:12 AM
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In any case, kings of Sweden, I suppose ought to be my contribution. I am steering away from the semi-mythological ones because, well, they may be extremely colourful, but they're still semi-mythological.

Kings of Sweden:
970-995: Eric the Victorious (House of Munsö)
995-1022: Olof the Treasure King (House of Munsö)
1022-1050: Anund Jacob (House of Munsö)
1050-1060: Emund the Old (House of Munsö)
1060-1066: Stenkil (House of Stenkil)
1066-1067: Eric Stenkilsson (House of Stenkil) and Eric the Pagan (Unknown House)
1067-1070: Halsten (House of Stenkil)

[I'll fill this gap later on...]

1250-1275: Valdemar (House of Folkung)
1275-1290: Magnus III "Barnlock" (House of Folkung)
1290-1318: Birger Magnusson (House of Folkung)
1318-1319: Mats Kettilmundsson as Rikshövitsman.
1319-1364: Magnus IV Ericsson (House of Folkung)
1356-1359: Eric (XII) (House of Folkung), rival king to his father, later co-king.
1362-1364: Hacon (House of Folkung), co-king with his father.
1364-1389: Albert (House of Mecklenburg)
1389-1412: Margaret I (House of Estridsen)
1396-1439: Eric XIII of Pomerania (House of Griffins)

1441-1448: Christopher of Bavaria (House of Pfalz-Neumarkt)
1448-1457: Charles (VIII) Cnutsson (House of Bonde)
1457-1464: Christian I (House of Oldenburg)
1464-1465: Charles (VIII) Cnutsson (House of Bonde)
1465-1466: Jöns Bengtson Oxenstierna as Regent.
1466-1467: Erik Axelsson Tott as Regent.
1467-1470: Charles (VIII) Cnutsson (House of Bonde)
1470-1497: Sten Sture the Elder as Regent.
1497-1501: John II (House of Oldenburg)
1501-1503: Sten Sture the Elder as Regent.
1504-1511: Svante Nilsson as Regent.
1511-1512: Eric Trolle as Regent.
1512-1520: Sten Sture the Younger as Regent.
1520-1521: Christian II (House of Oldenburg)
1521-1523: Gustav Ericsson Vasa as Regent.
1523-1560: Gustav (I) Vasa (House of Vasa)
1560-1568: Eric XIV (House of Vasa)
1568-1592: John III (House of Vasa)
1592-1599: Sigismund (House of Vasa)
1599-1611: Charles IX (House of Vasa)
1611-1632: Gustav II Adolph "the Great" (House of Vasa)
1632-1654: Christina (House of Vasa)
1654-1660: Charles X Gustav (House of Pfalz)
1660-1697: Charles XI (House of Pfalz)
1697-1718: Charles XII (House of Pfalz)
1718-1720: Ulrica Eleanor the Younger (House of Pfalz)
1720-1751: Frederick I (House of Hesse)
1751-1771: Adolph Frederick (House of Holstein-Gottorp)
1771-1792: Gustav III (House of Holstein-Gottorp)
1792-1809: Gustav IV Adolph (House of Holstein-Gottorp)
1809-1818: Charles XIII (House of Holstein-Gottorp)
1818-1844: Charles XIV John (House of Bernadotte)
1844-1859: Oscar I (House of Bernadotte)
1859-1872: Charles XV (House of Bernadotte)
1872-1907: Oscar II (House of Bernadotte)
1907-1950: Gustaf V (House of Bernadotte)
1950-1973: Gustaf VI Adolph (House of Bernadotte)
1973-Present: Carl XVI Gustaf (House of Bernadotte)

I'll fix the gap, clean up the list and add some notes on the regents later on, when I'm not as tired as I am now...

For the record, 1397-1523 is usually what is considered the time of the Kalmar Union, and from just looking at the list you'll notice something that is often forgotten when people think of the union of crowns. People tend to think of the Kalmar Union as being a time of Scandinavian fraternity, with a single monarch ruling comfortably over all three realms. In truth, it was an abysmal constitutional arrangement: Sweden, Denmark and Norway often had different kings, at several times the throne would be vacant, there would be uprisings, petty noblemen would assume control in different areas and most of the time, the general population had no clue who was their sovereign and where their loyalty was supposed to lie. Strangely enough, my thoughts are drawn towards the European Union as I write about it...

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Old December 1st, 2011, 03:43 AM
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Prime Ministers of Ireland
1918-1923: Éamon de Valera (Irish People's)
1923-1927: W.T. Cosgrave (Conservative)
1927-1932: W.T. Cosgrave (Conservative minority)
1932-1933: James Craig (Conservative minority)
1933-1937: James Craig (Conservative-National Centre coalition)
1937-1938: James Craig (Conservative minority)
1938-1943: Éamon de Valera (Liberal-Labour-National coalition)
1943-1944: Éamon de Valera (Liberal-Labour coalition with independent support)
1944-1948: Éamon de Valera (Liberal-Labour coalition)
1948-1951: Éamon de Valera (Liberal-Social Labour-Labour-National Liberal coalition)
1951-1954: Éamon de Valera (Liberal-Labour-Social Labourcoalition)
1954-1957: Richard Mulcahy (Conservative minority)
1957-1959: Éamon de Valera (Liberal-Labour coalition)
1959-1966: Seán Lemass (Liberal-Labour coalition)
1966-1973: Jack Lynch (Liberal-Labour coalition)
1973-1977: Jack Lynch (Liberal minority)
1977-1981: Jack Lynch (Liberal)
1981-1982: John Hume (Liberal-Labour coalition)
1982: John Hume (Liberal minority)
1982-1987: John Hume (Liberal-Labour-Irish People's coalition)
1987-1989: John Hume (Liberal-Progressive Liberal coalition)
1989-1992: John Hume (Liberal-Labour-Progressive Liberal coalition)
1992-1997: John Hume (Liberal-Labour coalition)
1997-2002: Bertie Ahern (Liberal-Labour-Irish People's coalition)
2002-2007: Bertie Ahern (Liberal-Labour coalition)
2007-2008: Bertie Ahern (Liberal-Irish People's-Labour coalition)
2008-2011: Brian Cowen (Liberal-Irish People's-Labour coalition)
2011-: Enda Kenny (Conservative-Democratic Conservative coalition)
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Old December 1st, 2011, 03:55 AM
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As a side note to Thande's Canadian list, Diefenbaker was propped up by the Socreds in 1962-3. How? Their coffers were replenished by PC funds- though this didn't come out until many years later when everyone involved was long dead. In addition to Dief's many other faults, he sanctioned bribery to keep his floundering government afloat.
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Old December 1st, 2011, 01:59 PM
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Using the base list for a modified one. POD is around 1937.

† = assassinated in office, ‡ = died of natural causes in office, * = resigned, ** = fictional

Presidents of the United States of America
1789-1797: George Washington (non-partisan)
1797-1801: John Adams (Federalist)
1801-1809: Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican)
1809-1817: James Madison (Democratic-Republican)
1817-1825: James Monroe (Democratic-Republican)
1825-1829: John Quincy Adams (Democratic-Republican)
1829-1837: Andrew Jackson (Democratic)
1837-1841: Martin Van Buren (Democratic)
1841-1841: William Henry Harrison‡ (Whig)
1841-1845: John Tyler (Whig/non-partisan from 1841)
1845-1849: James K. Polk (Democratic)
1849-1850: Zachary Taylor‡ (Whig)
1850-1853: Millard Fillmore (Whig)
1853-1857: Franklin Pierce (Democratic)
1857-1861: James Buchanan (Democratic)
1861-1865: Abraham Lincoln† (Republican/National Union)
1865-1869: Andrew Johnson (Democratic/National Union/non-partisan)
1869-1877: Ulysses S. Grant (Republican)
1877-1881: James A. Garfield† (Republican)
1881-1885: Chester A. Arthur (Republican)
1885-1889: Grover Cleveland (Democratic)
1889-1893: Benjamin Harrison (Republican)
1893-1897: Grover Cleveland (Democratic)
1897-1901: William McKinley† (Republican)
1901-1909: Theodore Roosevelt (Republican)
1909-1913: William Howard Taft (Republican)
1913-1921: Woodrow Wilson (Democratic)
1921-1923: Warren G. Harding‡ (Republican)
1923-1929: Calvin Coolidge (Republican)
1929-1933: Herbert Hoover (Republican)
1933-1945: Franklin D. Roosevelt‡ (Democratic)
1945-1957: Harry S Truman (Democratic)
1957-1965: Joseph P. Kennedy (Democratic)
1965-1973: Barry Goldwater (Republican)
1973-1981: Ronald Reagan (Democratic)
1981-1989: Corbin Raine (Republican)**
1989-1993: John Anderson (Republican)
1993-2001: Harold Abramson (Democratic)**
2001-2009: Hillary Rodham (Republican)

The 2008 Presidential Election has yet to go ahead, because ITTL the 'present day' is 2008. Candidates for the GOP nomination include Senator Ron Paul of Texas, Senator Charlie Crist of Florida, Tommy Thompson, George Pataki, and Dan Quayle, while Governor Jon Huntsman and President Hillary Rodham have announced that they will contest the nomination at the Republican National Convention should one candidate not receive a majority of the primary vote.

Likewise, on the Democratic side, the nomination is divided between Senator Rudy Giuliani of New York, Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana, Senator Jack Reed of Rhode Island, Senator Mike Huckabee of Arkansas, Governor Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota, and former Senator Al Gore of Tennessee, and the polls are literally neck-and-neck between the top three candidates.

You can vote for who you think should win the primaries here and here.
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For those of you who want the baseline for an independent Quebec TL.

Premiers of Quebec

Pierre-Joseph-Olivier Chauveau (Conservative): July 15, 1867- Feb. 25, 1873
Gedeon Ouimet (Conservative): Feb. 27, 1873- Sept. 22, 1874
Charles Boucher de Boucherville (Conservative): Sept. 22, 1874- Mar. 22, 1878*
Henri-Gustave Joly de Lotbiniere (Liberal minority): Mar. 22, 1878- Oct. 31, 1879**
Sir Joseph-Adolphe Chapleau (Conservative majority, then minority): Oct. 31, 1879- July 31, 1882
Joseph-Adolphe Rousseau (Conservative): July 31, 1882- Jan. 23, 1884
John Jones Ross (Conservative): Jan. 23, 1884- Jan. 25, 1887
Louis-Olivier Taillon (Conservative minority): Jan. 25- 29, 1887
Honore Mercier (Liberal, then Nationale): Jan. 29, 1887- Dec. 21, 1891*
Charles Boucher de Boucherville (Conservative minority, then majority): Dec. 21, 1891- Dec. 16, 1892
Louis-Olivier Tailon (Conservative) Dec. 16, 1892- May 11, 1896
Edmund James Flynn (Conservative): May 11, 1896- May 24, 1897
Felix-Gabriel Marchand (Liberal): May 24, 1897- Sept. 25, 1900***
Simon-Napoleon Parent (Liberal): Oct. 3, 1900- Mar. 25, 1905****
Lomer Gouin (Liberal): Mar. 25, 1905- July 9, 1920
Alexandre Taschereau (Liberal): July 9, 1920- June 11, 1936
Adelard Godbout (Liberal): June 11- Aug. 25, 1936
Maurice Duplessis (UN): Aug. 25, 1936- Nov. 9, 1939
Adelard Godbout (Liberal): Nov. 9, 1939- Aug. 30, 1944
Maurice Duplessis (UN): Aug. 30, 1944- Sept. 7, 1959***
Paul Sauve (UN): Sept. 7, 1959- Jan. 2, 1960***
Antonio Barrette (UN): Jan. 8- July 5, 1960
Jean Lesage (Liberal): July 5, 1960- June 16, 1966
Daniel Johnson (UN): June 16, 1966- Sept. 26, 1968***
Jean-Jacques Bertrand (UN): Sept. 26, 1968- May 12, 1970
Robert Bourassa (Liberal): May 12, 1970- Nov. 25, 1976
Rene Levesque (PQ): Nov. 25, 1976- Oct. 3, 1985****
Pierre-Marc Johnson (PQ): Oct. 3- Dec. 12, 1985
Robert Bourassa (Liberal): Dec. 12, 1985- Jan. 11, 1994
Daniel Johnson Jr. (Liberal): Jan. 11- Sept. 26, 1994
Jacques Parizeau (PQ): Sept. 26, 1994- Jan. 29, 1996
Lucien Bouchard (PQ): Jan. 29, 1996- Mar. 8, 2001
Bernard Landry (PQ): Mar. 8, 2001- Apr. 29, 2003
Jean Charest (Liberal majority, then minority, then majority): Apr. 29, 2003-

*Dismissed by the Lieutenant-Governor
** Non-confidence motion
*** Died in office
**** Party coup
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Presidents of the United States of America
1789-1797: George Washington (non-partisan)
1797-1801: John Adams (Federalist)
1801-1809: Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican)
1809-1817: James Madison (Democratic-Republican)
1817-1825: James Monroe (Democratic-Republican)
1825-1829: John Quincy Adams (Democratic-Republican)
1829-1837: Andrew Jackson (Democratic)
1837-1845: Martin Van Buren (Democratic) [1]
1845-1848: Henry Clay (Whig) [2]
1848-1849: Millard Fillmore (Whig)
1849-1853: Levi Woodbury (Democratic)
1853-1861: Winfield Scott (Whig)
1861-1869: Abraham Lincoln (Republican/National Union)
1869-1870: Benjamin Butler (Democratic/National Union/non-partisan) [3]
1870-1873: Ulysses S. Grant (Republican)
1873-1881: Schuyler Colfax (Republican)
1881-1889: Thomas Hendricks (Democratic)
1889-1893: Benjamin Harrison (Republican)
1893-1901: David Hill (Democratic)
1901-1903: William McKinley (Republican) [4]
1903-1909: Theodore Roosevelt (Republican)
1909-1913: William Jennings Bryan (Democratic) [5]
1913-1921: Champ Clark (Democratic)
1921-1925: Frank Orren Lowden (Republican)
1925-1929: Robert La Follette (Independent) [6]
1929-1937: Charles Curtis (Republican)
1937-1945: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic)
1945-1949: Henry Wallace (Democratic)
1949-1953: Thomas Dewey (Republican)
1953-1956: Estes Kefauver (Democratic) [7]
1956-1965: Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
1965-1973: Barry Goldwater (Republican)
1973-1977: Henry Jackson (Democratic)
1977-1985: Patricia Nixon (Republican) [8]
1985-1989: Alexander Haig (Republican)
1989-1997: Michael Dukakis (Democratic)
1997-2001: Newt Gingrich (Republican)
2001-2006: John Edwards (Democratic) [9]
2006-2009: Christopher Dodd (Democratic)
2009-present: Rudy Guiliani (Republican)

[1] - Re-election was delayed until December due to death of Whig candidate William Henry Harrison in October 1880, van Buren was re-elected narrowly over new candidate John Tyler.
[2] - President Clay died of a heart attack in May 1848, his Vice President Millard Fillmore took office until March 1849 as he lost the Whig nomination
[3] - Assassinated by a lone gunman in Denver, first President to be assassinated
[4] - President McKinley died of cancer in August 1903, his Vice President Theodore Roosevelt took office until January 1909, winning re-election in 1904
[5] - First President since Fillmore to lose re-nomination of his party after an economic crisis
[6] - First Independent President
[7] - Assassinated by a lone gunman in New York City
[8] - First female President
[9] - Resigned over a sex scandal, first President to resign the office
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Thande, you forgot to include president Hayes in your list.
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Thande, you forgot to include president Hayes in your list.
Weird, he's the one I always forget when trying to list them off the top of my head. I've edited the list.
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Weird, he's the one I always forget when trying to list them off the top of my head. I've edited the list.
I am in the exact same position. He's so fucking forgettable.
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Rutherford is a pretty solid no-bullshit 1970s porn star name though
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Rutherford is a pretty solid no-bullshit 1970s porn star name though
I haven't watched any 70s porn, so I'll take your word for it.
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Something I've always been interested in is the Anarchy period. This list shows what the English/British king list might have been like if the Blois line of succesion was recognized.

Note: This is NOT a realistic list, as this uses the OTL succesion from Stephen on down. OTL, Mary of Blois was kidnapped and forcebly married by Matthew of Alsace, an event that is unlikely when her brother would be king. In addition, the Blois faction winning would require either Eustace outliving his father, or possibly Stephen's firstborn son Baldwin living to majority. The monarch's historical title is

Kings of England
927-939: Æthelstan the Glorious (House of Wessex)
939-946: Edmund the Magnificent (House of Wessex)
946-955: Eadred (House of Wessex)
955-959: Eadwig (House of Wessex)
959-975: Edgar the Peaceful (House of Wessex)
975-978: Edward the Martyr (House of Wessex)
978-1013: Æthelred the Unready (House of Wessex)
1013-1014: Sweyn Forkbeard (House of Denmark)
1014-1016: Æthelred the Unready (House of Wessex) (restored)
1016-1016: Edmund Ironside (House of Wessex)
1016-1035: Cnut (House of Denmark)
1035-1040: Harold Harefoot (House of Denmark)
1040-1042: Harthacnut (House of Denmark)
1042-1066: Edward the Confessor (House of Wessex)
1066-1066: Harold Godwinson (House of Wessex)
1066-1066: Edgar the Ætheling (House of Wessex) (disputed)
1066-1087: William I, the Bastard, the Conqueror (House of Normandy)
1087-1100: William II, Rufus (House of Normandy)
1100-1135: Henry I, Beauclerc (House of Normandy)
1134-1154: Stephen of Blois (House of Normandy) (disputed; the Anarchy)
1141-1141: Empress Maud (House of Normandy) (disputed; the Anarchy)
1152-1153: Eustace (House of Normandy) (as co-king to Stephen, disputed)
1154-1159 William III (House of Normandy) (Count of Boulogne)
1159-1182: Mary I (House of Normandy) (Countess of Boulogne)
1182-1216: Ida of Alsace (House of Alsace) (Countess of Boulogne)
1216-1260: Matilda (House of Dammartin) (Countess of Boulogne, Queen Consort of Portugal)
1260-1261: Adelaide of Brabant (House of Brabant) (Countess of Boulogne)
1261-1277: Robert I (House of Auvergne) (Count of Boulogne and Auvergne)
1277-1314: Robert II (House of Auvergne) (Count of Boulogne and Auvergne)
1314-1325: Robert III (House of Auvergne) (Count of Boulogne and Auvergne)
1325-1332: William IV (House of Auvergne) (Count of Boulogne and Auvergne)
1332-1360: Joan I (House of Auvergne) (Countess of Boulogne and Auvergne, Queen Consort of France)
1360-1361: Philip (House of Capet-Burgundy) (Duke of Burgundy)
1361-1386: John I (House of Auvergne) (Count of Boulogne and Auvergne)
1386-1404: John II (House of Auvergne) (Count of Boulogne and Auvergne)
1404-1424: Joan II (House of Auvergne) (Countess of Boulogne and Auvergne, Duchess Consort of Berry)
1424-1437: Mary II, Dame of Montgascon (House of Auvergne) (Countess of Boulogne and Auvergne)
1437-1461: Bertrand I (House of La Tour d'Auvergne) (Count of Boulogne and Auvergne)
1461-1497: Bertrand II (House of La Tour d'Auvergne) (Count of Boulogne and Auvergne)
1497-1501: John III (House of La Tour d'Auvergne) (Count of Boulogne and Auvergne)
1501-1524: Anne (House of La Tour d'Auvergne) (Countess of Auvergne, Duchess Consort of Albany)
1524-1589: Catherine (House of Medici) (Countess of Auvergne, Queen Consort of France)
1589: Henry II (House of Capet-Angouleme) (King of France. Also King of Poland ... somehow)

What would happen after Henri III's seven month reign as Henry II comes to an end is a mystery. Likely England, like France, would be consummed by the War of Three Henries, possibly ending with Henry of Navarre gaining one kingdom and Henri de Guise gaining the other. However, England's succesion laws allow for female and female-line inheritance, so continuing through Catherine de Medici's daughters...

1589-1633: Elizabeth (House of Habsburg-Spanish Branch) (Infanta Isabella Clara Eugenia, Archduchess of the Spanish Netherlands)

... we wind up with her granddaughter via Elizabeth of Valois and Felipe II of Spain, the very woman Felipe planned to make Queen of England after the sucess of the Armada (although it's doubtful her descent from King Stephen factored into this). She had no children, so the line continues through her full-blooded sister, Catherine Michelle...

1633-1637: Victor I Amadeus, the Lion of Susa (House of Savoyard) (Duke of Savoy)
1637-1638: Francis I Hyacinth (House of Savoyard) (Duke of Savoy)
1638-1675: Charles I Emmanuel (House of Savoyard) (Duke of Savoy)
1675-1732: Victor II Amadeus (House of Savoyard) (Duke of Savoy, King of Sicily, King of Sardinia)
1732-1773: Charles II Emmanuel (House of Savoyard) (King of Sardinia)
1773-1796: Victor III Amadeus (House of Savoyard) (King of Sardinia)
1796-1819: Charles III/IV Emmanuel (House of Savoyard) (King of Sardinian to 1802)

Carlo Emanuele IV of Sardinia was the great-great-great grandson of Charles I Stuart of England and Scotland, and on the death of Cardinal York became the Jacobite claimant to the thrones of England and Scotland. Thus, in one of history's many ironies, the line of Britain's most famous pretenders is the same as one of its least famous. This is why I've given Charles two numbers, the second being his number as king of Scotland TTL.

1819-1824: Victor IV/I Emmanuel (House of Savoyard) (King of Sardinia to 1820)
1824-1840: Mary III/II Beatrice (House of Savoyard) (Duchess Consort of Modena)
1840-1875: Francis II/I (House of Habsburg-Lorraine) (Duke Francis V of Modena)
1875-1919: Mary IV/III (House of Habsburg-Lorraine) (Queen Consort of Bavaria)
1919-1955: Robert IV (House of Wittlesbach) (Rupprecht, Crown Prince of Bavaria)
1955-1996: Albert (House of Wittlesbach)
1996-Present: Francis III/II (House of Wittlesbach)

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1992: Neil Kinnock (Labour) [1]
1996: Malcolm Rifkind (Conservative) [2]
2001: Malcolm Rifkind (Conservative) [3]
2006: Gordon Brown (Labour) [4]
2010: William Hague (Conservative) [5]

[1] Gains a small majority of 19 seats, despite a powerful campaign by John Major and the Conservatives actually winning in terms of the popular vote, a criticism that would be current throughout Kinnock's time as Prime Minister. John Major resigns for a leadership election between Michael Heseltine and Malcolm Rifkind, the latter winning due to the right's loathing for the former and the Scottish Tory decides to make some reforms in the face of public opinion.

[2] After Black Wednesday destroys what little economic credibility Labour had, along with the Rifkind reforms making the Conservatives more popular in Scotland and other areas that would have turned to the LibDems, the Conservatives are able to gain a majority of 60 seats. Neil Kinnock resigns, doomed to be known as the failed Prime Minister, with the death of his Chancellor signifying Labour's hopes for a decade even if the economy had already been recovering and many issues were being worked out.

[3] Slightly reduced majority of 30 seats, in spite of good poll ratings and extremely strong boom, as the right of the party are not content with the EU referendum block and British Bill of Rights, want Section 28 to be returned and many other less-then-popular policies to be reinstated, but Rifkind is still popular with the public and the Tories still were able to defeat Gordon Brown's Labour party, strengthening Home Secretary Tony Blair's position, Brown is unable to move his rival due to his strong position.

[4] The Iraq War proved to be the final straw in the Rifkind government, the right-wingers trying to force out Rifkind due to his opposition to the Iraq War and him only surviving due to Gordon Brown, who only managed to gain a 10 seat majority due to Tony Blair's blatant support for the Iraq War. Labour has been able to gain economic credibility once more due to a Labour promise to follow the Portillo budget and maintain a balanced budget for two years.

[5] The infamous phrase 'The Tories always win, especially when they lose' kicks in as the Great Recession and the aftermath destroys years of hard work again as Labour MP's lament their eternal fate. William Hague's leadership was rocky, but saved by the breakdown of the economy and leads to a Tory majority of 34 seats, Hague promising that the Conservative Party would be able to balance the budget. The irony of this defeat was that the economy was going through a fragile growth, but at the cost of breaking the pledge Brown made and ruining trust in Labour again, a leadership election is held and a Tony Blair was able to easily defeat Ed Balls.
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Consuls of the French Republic
1796-1801 - Lazare Hoche - Napoléon Bonaparte - Emmanuel-Joseph Sieyès
1801-1805 - Napoléon Bonaparte - Benjamin Constant - Étienne Macdonald [1]

Dictators of the French Republic [2]
1806-1808 - Napoléon Bonaparte (Grand Maréchal de France : Auguste de Marmont)

Consuls of the French Republic
1808-1813 - Auguste de Marmont - Benjamin Constant - Lucien Bonaparte [3]
1813-1814 : Benjamin Constant - Lucien Bonaparte - Jean-Pierre Chazal
1814-1816 : Jean-Pierre Chazal - Michel Nay - Bertrand Barère [4]

Head of the Provisional Government of the French Republic
1816 : Michel Nay (Protractor : Bertrand Barère) [5]

Consul of the French Republic
1817 : Michel Nay (Protractor : François-René de Chataubridand) [6]
1818 - 1820 : Michel Nay (Protractor : Joseph-Henri-Joachim Lainé)
1821-1825 : Joseph-Henri-Joachim Lainé (Rapporteur : Jacques Defermon) [7]
1825-1829 : Jacques Defermon (Rapporteur : Marie-Joseph Chénier)
1829-1831 : Gilbert du Motier de la Fayette (Rapporteur : Jacques Charles Dupont de l'Eure)
1831-1835 : Victor Cousin (Rapporteur : François-Charles Dulong)
1836-1840 : Jean-Baptiste Sylvère Gaye (Rapporteur : Victor Cousin) [8]
1840-1844 : Henri Lacordaire (Rapporteur : Pierre Marie de Saint-Georges)
1844-1846 : Pierre Marie de Saint-Georges (Rapporteur : Alphonse de Lamartine)
1846 : Louis Blanc [9]

President of the Assemblée Nationale
1846-1847 : Louis Blanc
1847-1848 : Ferdinand Flocon [10]
1848-1849 : Louis Blanc

Directoire of the French Republic [11]
1846-1851 : Louis-Napoléon Bonaparte - Odilon Barrot - Alphonse Henri d'Hautpoul

Consul of the French Republic
1851-1866 : Louis-Napoléon Bonaparte
1866-1871 : Adolphe Thiers
1871-1876 : Charles Cousin-Montauban [12]
1876-1878 : Jules Dufaure
1878-1883 : Louis Buffet
1883-1886 : Charles de Freycinet
1886-1888 : Jean Casimir-Perier
1888-1889 : Gabriel Hanotaux
1889-1904 : Henri Fournier
1904-1909 : Gabriel Hanotaux
1909-1919 : Francis de Pressensé
1919-1923 : Benjamin Sesquières
1923 : Jean-Baptiste de Taillez
1923-1927 : Henri-Louis Dufaure
1927-1932 : Martin Lennui
1932-1937 : Vincent Denoël
1937-1941 : Paul Galino

Minister of War acting as Head of State [13]
1941-1943 : Jacques Ponin
1943-1944 : Charles-Louis Brolevic
1944-1947 : Sébastien Ouvran

Head of the Transitional Government [14]
1947-1948 : Odilon Lavème

President of the Assemblée Nationale
1948-1952 : Odilon Lavème
1952-1956 : Bertrand du Vic de Dernes
1956-1964 : Charles Sarinsky
1964-1968 : Albert François
1968-1971 : Pierre Claudin
1971-1975 : Nathanaël Jure
1975-1979 : Yves Lorrain
1979-1983 : Henri Levèbure
1983-1987 : Emile Macher
1987-1991 : André Blunkel
1991-1995 : Edouard Lison
1995-2003 : Denis Fersens
2003-2007 : Camille Usais [15]
2007-2011 : Victor Lepan
2011-(2015) : Guillaume Marchon


[1] With the death of Hoche, Napoléon began to place his men in the administration, up to McDonald in the Consulate.

[2] Technically a temporary function that only ended with the death of Napoléon Bonaparte

[3] Benjamin Constant manage to get back in power, and try to stabilize the Consulate with some modifications, in vain.

[4] Barère convinced Nay to reform the Consulate in a more effective and indentificable way

[5] Protractor is the equivalent of a Prime Minister

[6] It's the last time a royalist politician would have acess to the executive power until the election of Camille Usais

[7] The Protractor post is renamed "Rapporteur" in the same time the suffrage is extanded to the half of males citizens

[8] Victor Cousin, acting as the real head of state, allows the suffrage to be extanded to all male citizen

[9] The Revolution of 1846 places Louis Blanc as a head of states, without rapporteur, for 48 hours before he reinstate the Assemblée Nationale.

[10] The Constitution of 1846 forbade the consecutive re-elections

[11] Exiled to Bordeaux between 1846 and 1848. Reinstaure the censial suffrage

[12] Universal male suffrage readopted

[13] Following the Constitution of 1851, the Minister of War is the head of state if the Parliment can not regularly have seances.
This disposition, taken to avoid vaacum of power if Paris was subject to an uprising, was used when the Austrian army invaded the north-east of the country during the I World War.
The precedent Consul was still in exercise tough and choose the minister.

[14] The French People's Party, which became majoritary after the war, called for a constitutional assembly, in order to make a IV Republic that would take the Constitution of 1846 as a model.

[15] Elected after the crisis of 1989, using xenophobic rethoric, it was the first monarchist politician to occup the head of state of a republican regime in France.
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As part of my habit of occasionally posting lists of leaders from established timelines, here's a list of US presidents from Cathcon1's "Rise of Progressivism" timeline.

1897-1901: William McKinley† (Republican)
1901-1909: Theodore Roosevelt (Republican)
1909-1913: William Howard Taft (Republican)
1913-1921: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive)
1921-1923: Joseph T. Robinson† (Democratic)
1923-1929: Albert E. Smith (Democratic)
1929-1933: John Calvin Coolidge† (Conservative)
1933-1933: Charles W. Bryan (Progressive)
1933-????: John W. Davies (Conservative)
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Canadian POD: In February 1968, Stanfield doesn't back down and forces a dissolution on the lost money vote. Pearson leads the Grits, leadership convention is postponed till September.

Lester Pearson (Liberal minority): Apr. 22, 1963- June 10, 1968
Robert Stanfield (PC): June 10, 1968- December 12, 1977
Joe Clark (PC): Dec. 12, 1977- May 7, 1981
Jean Chretien (Liberal): May 7, 1981- Apr. 20, 1993
Michael Wilson (PC) Apr. 20, 1993- Sept. 29, 2003
Jean Charest (PC): Sept. 29, 2003- Mar. 31, 2006
Stephen Harper (Liberal): Mar. 31, 2006-
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Redoing a few I'd been thinking of --

John F Kennedy (D) 1961-68
Nelson Rockefeller (R) 1969-75†
Edward Brooke (R) 1975-80

Daniel P Moynihan (D) 1981-86*
Thomas P O'Neill (D) 1986-88

Leon Panetta (R) 1989-96

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Robert F Kennedy (D) 1969-72
Ronald Reagan (R) 1973-80
Robert F Kennedy (D) 1981-83†
John Glenn (D) 1983-88

Paula Hawkins (R) 1989-92

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Richard Nixon (R) 1969-72
Hubert Humphrey (D) 1973-80
George HW Bush (R) 1981-88
Charlton Heston (D) 1989-96

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Gerald Ford (R) 1974-80
Jerry Brown (D) 1981-88
Dale Bumpers (D) 1989-92

Bill Richardson (R) 1993-2000

†died in office (RFK was assassinated)
*resigned from office
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