Can it Carry Bombs?

[The Dean]

Great new entry Wosname! When are the second generation British jets like the Venom and Hawk going to appear?

[Hendryk]

Originally Posted by The Dean

When are the second generation British jets like the Venom and Hawk going to appear?

I'll be content enough just to see the Vampire in action. Great little fighter that one, it had quite a nice career in OTL, and as late as 1962 France was still using its license-made version in the skies of Algeria. And, well, it's a De Havilland.

[The BigI]

Nice story line whatsinaname, just curious you have the Ar-234 doing regular recon missions over Allied lines and the UK how would have they fared against the belts of proximity fused equipped anti aircraft belts in the UK?? Yes they were optimized for the low flying V-1s but that could be changed.

Also now that the British have Ar-234 examples will you have Frank Whittle change his mind about the centrifugal engine and start producing axial flow engines. OTL he decided on centrifugal engines because they were easier to build with 1930/1940s technology and much more reliable.

[The Dean]

Originally Posted by The BigI

Also now that the British have Ar-234 examples will you have Frank Whittle change his mind about the centrifugal engine and start producing axial flow engines. OTL he decided on centrifugal engines because they were easier to build with 1930/1940s technology and much more reliable.

It wasn't until the mid 50s in OTL that axial flow engines overtook the centrifugal Nene's performance, centrifugal Mig 15s were a match for the axial flow F 86 Sabres, but it would have been good to get the Avon developed sooner, Whittle was aware of the principle but knew the temperatures would be a problem until alloys were available for the turbine blades.

[whatisinaname]

Originally Posted by Hendryk

I'm curious to see how Operation Eisenhammer will play out. If successful, it would deal a severe blow to the USSR's production capabilities.

Also, while huge, the USSR's manpower reserves aren't inexhaustible, and at this kind of attrition rate, at some point the Red Army will begin to run out of spare men.

Hi Hendryk

Operation Eisenhammer will produce some "changes"

Thanks

Whatisinaname

[whatisinaname]

Originally Posted by MUC

I am anxious to see B-29s in Europe.

Hi MUC

The B-29 will come to Europe

Whatisinaname

[whatisinaname]

Originally Posted by The Dean

Great new entry Wosname! When are the second generation British jets like the Venom and Hawk going to appear?

Hi The Dean

Not in the TL

Whatisinaname

[whatisinaname]

Originally Posted by Hendryk

I'll be content enough just to see the Vampire in action. Great little fighter that one, it had quite a nice career in OTL, and as late as 1962 France was still using its license-made version in the skies of Algeria. And, well, it's a De Havilland.

Hi Hendryk

The Vampire will make an appearence

Whatisinaname

[whatisinaname]

Originally Posted by The BigI

Nice story line whatsinaname, just curious you have the Ar-234 doing regular recon missions over Allied lines and the UK how would have they fared against the belts of proximity fused equipped anti aircraft belts in the UK?? Yes they were optimized for the low flying V-1s but that could be changed.

Also now that the British have Ar-234 examples will you have Frank Whittle change his mind about the centrifugal engine and start producing axial flow engines. OTL he decided on centrifugal engines because they were easier to build with 1930/1940s technology and much more reliable.

Originally Posted by The Dean

It wasn't until the mid 50s in OTL that axial flow engines overtook the centrifugal Nene's performance, centrifugal Mig 15s were a match for the axial flow F 86 Sabres, but it would have been good to get the Avon developed sooner, Whittle was aware of the principle but knew the temperatures would be a problem until alloys were available for the turbine blades.

Hi The BigI

Thanks for the support

The Dean has answered the question, in that these technologies will be too late for this TL.

Whatisinaname

[tchizek]

Great Update!

And thanks for covering the allied recon efforts a bit more!

Keep up the great work!

[whatisinaname]

Originally Posted by tchizek

Great Update!

And thanks for covering the allied recon efforts a bit more!

Keep up the great work!

Hi tchizek

NP

Thanks for your support

Whatisinaname

[Jonathan Kan]

Originally Posted by whatisinaname

Hi MUC

The B-29 will come to Europe

Whatisinaname

I guess 58th Bombardment Wing headed to Europe instead of Tinian, right?

[whatisinaname]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Kan

I guess 58th Bombardment Wing headed to Europe instead of Tinian, right?

My best reply is to that question is "no comment"

[trajen777]

Hmmm Mistril hits damns, USSR has no ammo, Ussr drops out, Atomic bomb planes get shot down - nazi recover bomb - Germany transfers 100 divs west redo the invasion of the west 1940 redux -

Am i somewhat close

As always great Job - look forward to the next !!!!!!!

[Riain]

I'm guessing liberated France in the west and pre Barbarossa borders in the east.

Coincidently I'm readig a book called 'Tipping Points' where the premise is that in the right circumstances small changes can have major knock-on effects. This premise fits in well with the possible effects of jets in WW2.

[whatisinaname]

Originally Posted by trajen777

Hmmm Mistril hits damns, USSR has no ammo, Ussr drops out, Atomic bomb planes get shot down - nazi recover bomb - Germany transfers 100 divs west redo the invasion of the west 1940 redux -

Am i somewhat close

As always great Job - look forward to the next !!!!!!!

Hi trajen777

You are close in some ways but way out on others

You will just have to wait and see

Whatisinaname

[whatisinaname]

Originally Posted by Riain

I'm guessing liberated France in the west and pre Barbarossa borders in the east.

Coincidently I'm readig a book called 'Tipping Points' where the premise is that in the right circumstances small changes can have major knock-on effects. This premise fits in well with the possible effects of jets in WW2.

Hi Riain

Will have to check out that books sound interesting?

Thanks

Whatisinaname

[Timmy811]

Interesting, the Allies are in for a rude awakening when they go back on the offensive in the spring, all those Stg44s and Panzerfausts are going to be a nasty surprise, let alone all of those resupplied and equipped panzer divisions.

Still Germany is in a bad position, and vastly outnumbered despite the fact they probably have another half million troops on the front line. It needs Eisenhammer to succeed to have a chance. The Russians may be running out of bodies, but even with the losses of OTL avoided, so are the Germans.

EDIT: Also, here's a map you might use to illustrate the frontlines in the east, Riga, Poltosk, and Orsha are on it as is the river Dvina.

http://greyfalcon.us/pictures/Easter...to_1941-12.png

[whatisinaname]

Originally Posted by Timmy811

Interesting, the Allies are in for a rude awakening when they go back on the offensive in the spring, all those Stg44s and Panzerfausts are going to be a nasty surprise, let alone all of those resupplied and equipped panzer divisions.

Still Germany is in a bad position, and vastly outnumbered despite the fact they probably have another half million troops on the front line. It needs Eisenhammer to succeed to have a chance. The Russians may be running out of bodies, but even with the losses of OTL avoided, so are the Germans.

EDIT: Also, here's a map you might use to illustrate the frontlines in the east, Riga, Poltosk, and Orsha are on it as is the river Dvina.

http://greyfalcon.us/pictures/Easter...to_1941-12.png

Hi Timmy811

The German army will switch to the StG 45(M) (Sturmgewehr 45).

See link for more info - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmgewehr_45

Thanks for the map, I really need a "clean" map showing the boarders before 1st September 1939.

Thanks the comments and support

Whatisinaname

[Timmy811]

Adding up the jets produced versus jets shot down or destroyed in accidents I get 1363 vs. 479. So there should be 884 Me-262 of all types (excepting trainging versions) available, though of course the number that is actually flyable will be lower. Now 1363 produced might be a little off because for the original model you weren't to clear on how many of those were made, but it can't be that far off.

I would think with a head start compared to OTL the Germans should have produced more by this point, especially with the more intact industrially base. They made about 1400 in OTL after all when things were going much worse.