ME7 Drafts of Countries Thread

[Matt]

Include:

Offical Name
capital
Pre-ISOT boundries
Post-ISOT boundries
Population
History
Armed Forces
Head of State/Government
Flag

[Ward]

French 3rd Empire
Paris
Pop 32 million
History upto 1870 same as the French 3rd Empire in are Time Line.
1870 The French Were able to To win the Franco- Prussian War.
Arm Forces
Army
4 Reg.'s of Old Guards
5 Regs of Middle Guards
6 Regs of Young Guards
115 Regs of Inf,
80 Regs of Art.
80 Reg of Cav.


Head of Goverment Napoleen III/ Constunal Monarcy With Strong Head of State Making Laws.


Normal French Flag
Red white and Blue

[Aussey]

Offical Name- Austrian Empire
capital- Vienna
Pre-ISOT boundries- Habsburg lands of 1740, southern Germany, & Oman
Post-ISOT boundries- ""
Population- 3,000,000
History- later
Armed Forces- later
Head of State/Government- Maria Theresa II
Flag- later
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[Bulgaroktonos]

Offical Name: United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland

Capital: London

Pre-ISOT boundries: Britain, Ireland, British India, Malaya, Burma, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Cape Colony, Natal, Jamaica, Bahamas, various Caribbean Islands, Sierra Leone, Hong Kong, Falkland, Gibraltar
Post-ISOT boundries: Nix Canada, Hong Kong, Natal(?), Caribbean, Sierra Leone and New Zealand

Population:
History: OTL until Victoria. Victoria is born a boy, Alexander I (Victoria as Alexandra Victoria, IIRC, and Alexander is Alexander Victor). Alexander takes an active role in government, and is very good friends with Benjamin Disraeli with whom he shares a close relationship. The Indian Mutiny has had an interesting result. While at first Britain stripped away the EIC, and replaced it with the Raj, Disraeli and Alexander have been toying with the idea of giving India Dominion status in the near future. While distrustful of the Hindu population, they believe that the Mutiny was a result of more than just the rumor mongering of backward heathens, but also of disapproval of East India Company rule, and that India should be gradually given more independence until it can be granted full Dominion status.

In the armed forces, there is some discrepancy with ships in service in OTL versus ATL. Some ships sold for scrap, sunk, or met with other unfortunate accidents have not occured in TTL. Furthermore, the explosion aboard the Ironclad Vengence in 1867 led to the adoption of breech-loading cannons aboard all vessels built from that time on. Thus, the pre-dreadnoughts are all breechloaders, are the armored cruisers and the HMS Captain (in TTL built at spec, and therefore remains stable).

Most British Infantry divisions are equipped with the Martini-Henry rifle. Single-shot .45 caliber, 25" bayonet. Some are being equipped with Martini-Henry Mark II rifles equipped with a slightly smaller .402 caliber and 410 grain.

Head of State/Government: King Alexander I
Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli

Flag: OTL

Navy
Pre-dreadnoughts
Monarch
Cerberus (Victoria)
Magdala (India)
Captain
Audacious
Invincible
Iron Duke
Vanguard
Abyssinia
Hotspur
Sultan
Swiftsure
Triumph
Glatton
Devastation
Thunderer
Alexandria
Temeraire
Belleisle
Orion
Superb (just finished)
Sea Drake (sister ship
Dreadnought
Alexandra
Ajax
Redoubtable (IP in dry-dock)
Repulse (IP in dry-dock

Iron-Clad Steam Frigates/Battleships
Warrior Class
Royal Sovereign
Warrior
Black Prince
Defense Class
Defence
Resistance
Hector Class
Hector
Valiant
Royal Oak
Prince Consort Class
Prince Consort
Caledonia
Ocean
Achilles
Minotaur
Agincourt
Northumberland
Research
Scorpion
Wivern
Prince Albert
Royal Alfred
Enterprise
Favorite
Zealous
Lord Clyde
Lord Warden
Pallas
Bellerophon
Penelope
Repulse


Sail Battleship in service at ISOT w/gun compliment
Neptune 102
Thunderer (II) 84
Nile 92
Duke of Wellington 131
Agamemnon 91
Mars 80
Aboukir 90
Boscawen 70
Goliath 80
Royal Frederick 86
Waterloo 120
Calcutta 84
Malabar 74
Hawke 74
Ganges 84
Dreadnought 98
Minden 74
Edinburgh 74
Hogue 74
Nelson 90
Princess Royal 91
St Jean d'Acre 101
Algiers 90
Hannibal 91
Orion 91
Royal Albert 121
Marlborough 131
Royal Sovereign 121
Windsor Castle 100
Duncan 101
Victoria 121
Anson 91
Royal Frederick (II) 110
Howe 110
Prince of Wales 121
Gibraltar 101
Bulwark 91

Cruisers
Shannon 5670t, 2-10in, 7-9in
Iris 3730t, 13-5in
Mercury 3730t, 13-5in
Nelson 7473t, 4-10in, 6-9in
Northumberland 7630t 4-10in, 6-9in
Imperieuse 8500t, 4-9.2in, 10-6in

Corvettes
Jason Class
HMS Jason
HMS Barossa
HMS Orestes
HMS Orpheus
HMS Rattlesnake
HMS Wolverine
Juno Class
HMS Juno
HMS Thalia
Eclipse Class
HMS Eclipse
HMS Blanche
HMS Danae
HMS Dido
Volage Class
HMS Volage
HMS Active
HMS Rover
Amethyst Class
HMS Ameythyst
HMS Diamond
HMS Modeste
HMS Saphire
HMS Encounter
Bacchante Class
HMS Bacchante
HMS Boadicea
HMS Euryalus




Army, by Regiment

Household Cavalry

1st Life Guards
2nd Life Guards
Royal Horse Guards (The Blues)
[edit]
Line Cavalry

1st (King's) Dragoon Guards
2nd Dragoon Guards (Queen's Bays)
3rd (The Prince of Wales's) Dragoon Guards
4th (Royal Irish) Dragoon Guards
5th (Princess Charlotte of Wales's) Dragoon Guards
6th Dragoon Guards (Carabiniers)
7th (The Princess Royal's) Dragoon Guards
1st (Royal) Dragoons
2nd Dragoons (Royal Scots Greys)
3rd (The King's Own) Hussars
4th (The Queen's Own) Hussars
5th (Royal Irish) Lancers
6th (Iniskilling) Dragoons
7th (The Queen's Own) Hussars
8th (The King's Royal Irish) Hussars
9th (The Queen's Royal) Lancers
10th (The Prince of Wales's Own Royal) Hussars
11th (Prince Albert's Own) Hussars
12th (The Prince of Wales's Royal) Lancers
13th Hussars
14th (The King's) Hussars
15th (The King's) Hussars
16th (The Queen's) Lancers
17th (The Duke of Cambridge's Own) Lancers
18th Hussars
19th Hussars
20th Hussars
21st Hussars
[edit]
Support Arms

Royal Regiment of Artillery
Corps of Royal Engineers
Royal Horse Artillery
[edit]
Infantry
[edit]
Foot Guards

Grenadier Guards
Coldstream Guards
Scots Guards
[edit]
Line Infantry (In order of precedence)

The Royal Scots (Lothian Regiment)
1st (The Royal) Regiment of Foot
The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
2nd (The Queen's Royal) Regiment of Foot
The Buffs (East Kent Regiment)
3rd (The East Kent) Regiment of Foot
The King's Own (Royal Lancaster Regiment)
4th (The King's Own Royal) Regiemnt of Foot
The Northumberland Fusiliers
5th Regiment of Foot (Northumberland Fusiliers)
The Royal Warwickshire Regiment
6th (Royal 1st Warwickshire) Regiment of Foot
The Royal Fusiliers (City of London Regiment)
7th (Derbyshire) Regiment of Foot
The King's (Liverpool Regiment)
8th (The King's) Regiment of Foot
The Norfolk Regiment
9th (The East Norfolk) Regiment of Foot
The Lincolnshire Regiment - gained Royal title in 1946 for WWII service
10th (The North Lincolnshire) Regiment of Foot
The Devonshire Regiment
11th (The North Devonshire) Regiment of Foot
The Suffolk Regiment
12th (The East Suffolk) Regiment of Foot
The Prince Albert's (Somersetshire Light Infantry)
13th (1st Somersetshire)(Prince Albert's Light Infantry) Regiment of Foot
The Prince of Wales's Own (West Yorkshire Regiment)
14th (Buckinghamshire, The Prince of Wales's Own) Regiment of Foot
The East Yorkshire Regiment
15th (The Yorkshire East Riding) Regiment of Foot
The Bedfordshire Regiment
16th (The Bedfordshire) Regiment of Foot
The Leicestershire Regiment - gained Royal title in 1946 for WWII service
17th (The Leicestershire) Regiment of Foot
The Royal Irish Regiment
18th (The Royal Irish) Regiment of Foot
The Princess of Wales's Own (Yorkshire Regiment)
19th (The 1st Yorkshire North Riding - Prince of Wales's Own) Regiment of Foot
The Lancashire Fusiliers
20th (The East Devonshire) Regiment of Foot
The Royal Scots Fusiliers
21st (Royal Scots Fusiliers) Regiment of Foot
The Cheshire Regiment
22nd (The Cheshire) Regiment of Foot
The Royal Welsh Fusiliers - restored archaic spelling of Welsh (Welch) in 1921
23rd Regiment of Foot (Royal Welsh Fusiliers)
The South Wales Borderers
24th (The 2nd Warwickshire) Regiment of Foot
The King's Own Borderers
25th (The York) Regiment of Foot (King's Own Borderers)
The Cameronians (Scotch Rifles)
26th (The Cameronians) Regiment of Foot
90th Regiment of Foot (Perthshire Volunteers) (Light Infantry)
The Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
27th (Inniskilling) Regiment of Foot
108th Regiment of Foot (Madras Infantry)
The Gloucestershire Regiment
28th (North Gloucestershire) Regiment of Foot
61st (South Gloucestershire) Regiment of Foot
The Worcestershire Regiment
29th (Worcestershire) Regiment of Foot
36th (Herefordshire) Regiment of Foot
The East Lancashire Regiment
30th (Cambridgeshire) Regiemnt of Foot
59th (2nd Nottinghamshire) Regiment of Foot)
The East Surrey Regiment
31st (Huntingdonshire) Regiment of Foot
70th (Surrey) Regiment of Foot
The Duke of Cornwall's Light Infantry
32nd (Cornwall Light Infantry) Regiment of Foot
46th (South Devonshire) Regiment of Foot
The Duke of Wellington's (West Riding Regiment)
33rd (The Duke of Wellington's) Regiment of Foot
76th Regiment of Foot
The Border Regiment
34th (Cumberland) Regiment of Foot
55th (Westmoreland) Regiment of Foot
The Royal Sussex Regiment
35th (Royal Sussex) Regiment of Foot
107th Regiment of Foot (Bengal Light Infantry)
The Hampshire Regiment - gained Royal title in 1946 for WWII service
37th (North Hampshire) Regiment of Foot
67th (South Hampshire) Regiment of Foot
The South Staffordshire Regiment
38th (1st Staffordshire) Regiment of Foot
80th (Staffordshire Volunteers) Regiment of Foot
The Dorsetshire Regiment
39th (Dorsetshire) Regiment of Foot
54th (West Norfolk) Regiment of Foot
The Prince of Wales's Volunteers (South Lancashire Regiment)
40th (2nd Somersetshire) Regiment of Foot
82nd (The Prince of Wales's Volunteers) Regiment of Foot
The Welsh Regiment
41st (The Welsh) Regiment of Foot
69th (South Lincolnshire) Regiment of Foot
The Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
42nd (Royal Highland) Regiment of Foot, The Black Watch
73rd (Perthshire) Regiment of Foot
The Oxfordshire Light Infantry
43rd (Monmouthshire Light Infantry) Regiment of Foot
52nd (Oxfordshire Light Infantry) Regiment of Foot
The Essex Regiment
44th (East Essex) Regiment of Foot
56th (West Essex) Regiment of Foot
The Sherwood Foresters (Derbyshire Regiment)
45th (Nottinghamshire) Regiment of Foot
95th (Derbyshire) Regiment of Foot
The Loyal North Lancashire Regiment
47th (The Lancashire) Regiment of Foot
81st (Loyal Lincoln Volunteers) Regiment of Foot
The Northamptonshire Regiment
48th (The Northamptonshire) Regiment of Foot
58th (The Rutlandshire) Regiment of Foot
Princess Charlotte of Wales's (Berkshire Regiment)
49th (Princess Charlotte of Wales's)(Hertfordshire) Regiment of Foot
66th (Berkshire) Regiment of Foot
The Queen's Own (Royal West Kent Regiment)
50th (The Queen's Own) Regiment of Foot
97th (The Earl of Ulster's) Regiment of Foot
The King's Own Light Infantry (South Yorkshire Regiment)
51st (2nd Yorkshire West Riding) Regiment of Foot
105th Regiment of Foot (Madras Light Infantry)
The King's Light Infantry (Shropshire Regiment)
53rd (The Shropshire) Regiment of Foot
85th (The King's Light Infantry) Regiment of Foot
The (Duke of Cambridge's Own) Middlesex Regiment
57th (The West Middlesex) Regiment of Foot
77th (The East Middlesex) Regiment of Foot
The King's Royal Rifle Corps
60th (The King's Royal Rifle Corps) Regiemnt of Foot
The (Duke of Edinburgh's) Wiltshire Regiment
67th (The Wiltshire) Regiment of Foot
99th Duke of Edinburgh's (Lanarckshire) Regiment of Foot
The Manchester Regiment
63rd (The West Suffolk) Regiment of Foot
96th Regiment of Foot
The (Prince of Wales's) North Staffordshire Regiment
64th (2nd Staffordshire) Regiment of Foot
98th (The Prince of Wales's) Regiment of Foot
The York and Lancaster Regiment
65th (2nd Yorkshire, North Riding) Regiment of Foot
84th (York and Lancaster) Regiment of Foot
The Durham Light Infantry
68th (Durham) Regiment of Foot (Light Infantry)
106th Regiment of Foot (Bombay Light Infantry)
The Highland Light Infantry
71st (Highland) Regiment of Foot (Light Infantry)
74th (Highland) Regiment of Foot
Seaforth Highlanders (Duke of Albany's/Ross-shire Buffs)
72nd (Duke of Albany's Own Highlanders) Regiment of Foot
78th (Highlanders) Regiment of Foot (The Ross-shire Buffs)
The Gordon Highlanders
75th (Stirlingshire) Regiment of Foot
92nd (Gordon Highlanders) Regiment of Foot
The Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders
79th (The Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders) Regiment of Foot
The Royal Irish Rifles
83rd (County of Dublin) Regiment of Foot
86th (Royal County Down) Regiment of Foot
Princess Victoria's (Royal Irish Fusiliers)
87th (Royal Irish Fusiliers) Regiment of Foot
89th (The Princess Victoria's) Regiment of Foot
The Connaught Rangers
88th Regiment of Foot (Connaught Rangers)
94th Regiment of Foot
Princess Louise's (Sutherland and Argyll Highlanders)
91st (Princess Louise's Argyllshire) Regiment of Foot
93rd (Sutherland Highlanders) Regiment of Foot
The Prince of Wales's Leinster Regiment (Royal Canadians)
104th (Prince of Wales's Royal Canadians) Regiment of Foot
109th Regiment of Foot (Bombay Infantry)
The Royal Munster Fusiliers
101st Regiment of Foot (Royal Bengal Fusiliers)
104th Regiment of Foot (Bengal Fusiliers)
The Royal Dublin Fusiliers
102nd Regiment of Foot (Royal Madras Fusiliers)
103rd Regiment of Foot (Royal Bombay Fusiliers)

The Prince Consort's Own (Rifle Brigade)
1st West India Regiment
2nd West India Regiment

[Imajin]

Crown Colony of New Gotland (North Island, New Zealand)
Population: 1,045,345
Capital: Andorra Nova (Andorra the New)
King: King Alexander I of Andorra (Not ISOTed)
Governor: Henri Forne
Pre-ISOT boundries: North Island, New Zealand
Post-ISOT boundries: North Island, New Zealand
Armed Forces: Several large ships of the Royal Andorran Navy are stationed on the island, and there is a garrison on the island to keep native revolts down.
History: Andorra, in this timeline, collapsed under the odd Co-Principality. As a compromise, a Prince named Henri was put on the Andorran throne. He slowly enlarged the state, and was proclaimed King of France by the Protestants in the French Wars of Religion. In this war, it came away with far more land, though not all of France. It also had a large population.
Nordic explorer Rudolf Scanborg discovered the two islands now called New Gotland while working for the Holy Roman Empire. The Andorran Kingdom purchased the North Island from the Empire, and established a colony there.
Flag: Andorra does not allow New Gotland to have it's own flag. The OTL flag is used, however, it has a crown on the sheild, which is less fancy and does not include the motto.

[Othniel]

Offical Name: Oldenburg Confederation of Germany and the Rhine

Capital: Oldenburg.
Pre-ISOT boundries: I'll figure it out exactly.
Post-ISOT boundries: ...
Population: ...
History: Post Napeleon Danemark foserted the western side of the confederacy of the Rhine.
Armed Forces: ....
Head of State/Government: ....(Most likely a king of Denmark (Christian X), August Diedrich Schütte
Flag: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/250px-Flag_de-niedersachsen_300px.png os something close.

[General_Paul]

Offical Name: Prussia/Greater Germany
capital:Berlin
Pre-ISOT boundries: Look it up, its otl!!
Post-ISOT boundries: Loss of the provinces west of Bavaria
Population: I really need to look this up
History: Once again, its OTL
Armed Forces:OTL
Head of State/Government: Kaiser Wilhelm I
Flag: Now I really need to look this up again!

[Imajin]

Imperial Colony of New Gotland
Capital: New East Vienna
Pre-ISOT boundries: South Island, New Zealand
Post-ISOT boundries: South Island, New Zealand
Population: 964,234
History: From the Same Timeline as the North Island. In this timeline, Rudolf von Habsburg never became Emperor. Instead, Ottokar got Austria under his control, and formed a large Czech state that eventually stretched to Dalmatia. It was under the Premysl Emperors that New Gotland was discovered. The South Island was the first to be discovered and settled.
Armed Forces: ...
Head of State/Government: Holy Roman Emperor Ottokar III
Flag: White Cross on Red, growing out of Imperial War Flag, has become a general Imperial Flag.

[General_Paul]

Offical Name: Empire of Japan
capital: Tokyo
Pre-ISOT boundries:Same as OTL
Post-ISOT boundries: Ditto, same as OTL
Population:OTL population
History: Its OTL
Armed Forces:Its OTL
Ruler: Mutsuhito Emperor Meiji
Flag: OTL Japanese Flag (The rising sun, with sunrays, also doubles for the battle flag)

[Lauranthalas]

Country: Empire of All Russias
Capital: Moscow
Pre-ISOT boundaries: Russia, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan (without Karabakh)
Post-ISOT boundaries: Russia, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan (without Karabakh)
Population: 90,000,000
Head of State: Peter the Block
History:
After Ivan the Terrible united all Russias and declared himself the first of the Czars his family ruled the Empire under an iron hand. Over the years the Russians fought against the Mongols and won more and more territory. By 1684 Russia defeated the Mongols and they and their allies China split the Mongole Empire. To that time Russia annexed Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan.
But soon another enemy in the south began to rise. The Saudi Arabs, to that time so powerful that it included area up to Georgia and Azerbaijan urged to war with the Empire. The current Czar, Peter the Great, allied with India and Greece and the alliance won after a 2 year war. Now Russia annexed Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan.
Due to ongoing revolts in Armenia and Karabakh (Azerbaijan) Vladimir the Good, the son of Peter the Great, let those areas becoem sovereign nations.
About 50 years later in 1759 the Ukraine was being attacked by the Austrians. Russia allied with the Ukraine and again they won still in the same year. The Ukraines ties to the Empire began to come closer and closer over the decades and in 1832 the Ukraine became part of the Empire of all Russias.
Czar Ilyich III began to create a 3 class society. The military which included 3% of the population, the aristocrats which included the family of the Czar and his ministers and the workers around 97% of the population. The working class could be split again between peasents, proletarians (town workers especialy industry), the middle class (business owners, doctors, other educated people) and clerics. But because of 40% taxation in the country the "middle class" people were still living at the bordre to poverty. These educated workers were about 5% of the 97% not in the military. Clerics were also around 5% from the 97%. proletarians were about 35% of the not enlisted and the rest of 55% of not enlisted people were farmers.
In January 1873 Czar Ilyich III was assassinated by a bomb in the train he used to come from St. Petersburg back to Moscow. His son Peter V became the new Czar. His first action in power was to kill the assassins by sending them to the guillotine without trying them. His advisors told him this creates a lot of fear in the people and so Peter V began to execute all of his enemies publicly by the guillotine. This is how he got his nickname Peter the Block. He only needed 2 years until all opposition forces were oppressed.

Armed Forces: 1,466,500
Army: 1,205,000
Infantry: 1,000,000
Everyone has:
Carbine (800mm long - 20 bullet Cartridge - 9x82mm calibers)
bayonet (possible to set on top of Carbine - triangle form - 350mm long)

Cavalry:155,000
Everyone has:
Saber (750mm)
Carbine (510mm long - 10 bullet Cartridge - 6.5x52mm calibers)

Artillary: 50,000
Howitzer (155mm various shells): 5,000

Army support: 100,000

Navy: 109,000
Battleships (armored steam ships pre-dreadnought): 65 (400 men each)
Cruisers: 300 (70 men each)
Transporters: 600 (50 men each)
Frigates: 400 (50 men each)
Corvettes: 400 (30 men each)

Navy support: 50,000

Special Forces/Intelligence: 2,500

Flag:

[Bulgaroktonos]

That army is way to huge Lauranthalas. I might give you 1 million men, in all services, support and frontline, tops. My Imperial Russia of ME6.0 had 9-13 million, and that is with current logisitical technology, and it was fighting WWIII.

Furthermore, the Laffer curve shows that there is an ideal tax rate. At 80% tax, you are actually bringing in less than you would at even 70%, or 60%, or 50%. Basically, you have a 20% tax on the country, IIRC my Laffer correctly.

[Matt]

Offical Name: The United States of America
Capital: Washington, DC
President JAmes Garfield
Pre-ISOT Boundries: the lower forty-eight
Post-ISOT Boundries: Former Confederacy states not ISOT, with the exception of Virginia, also Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Western Montana, and Western Wyoming fail to ISOT(but in Montana, and Wyoming who's really gonna notice?)
Pre-ISOT Population: 38 million
Post-ISOT Population: 29 million

In depth History to follow, but the POD is on July 3, 1863. At the Battle of Gettysburg, General Meade is touring the Union line with his Corps Commanders near Seminary Ridge. When the Army of Northern Virginia opens it's barrage prior to Pickett's charge, a lucky shot kills Meade and General Howard, leaving Hancock in command of the Army of Potomic.

The rest of the battle procedes as OTL, with the Confederates routed after the attack. In our timeline Meade was reluctant to pursue Lee, feeling his army was exhausted. Hancock does not relent. On July 30th, near the swollen banks of the Potomic River, Lee is cornered. In the resulting battle, his army is shattered, and surrounded. After the 6 Days Battle, Lee surrenders his Army on August 6th Lee surrenders the Army of Northren Virginia at Bolivar, Maryland.

The war would still last one more year....

[Lauranthalas]

That army is way to huge Lauranthalas. I might give you 1 million men, in all services, support and frontline, tops. My Imperial Russia of ME6.0 had 9-13 million, and that is with current logisitical technology, and it was fighting WWIII.

Furthermore, the Laffer curve shows that there is an ideal tax rate. At 80% tax, you are actually bringing in less than you would at even 70%, or 60%, or 50%. Basically, you have a 20% tax on the country, IIRC my Laffer correctly.
I cut it down to 1/3 of the size. of course you have always less taxincome than the percentage is. with the 80% i skinn close to everything off even fromthe rich (except the very top they arent taxed they receive it)

[Bulgaroktonos]

Your navy is still too huge, and the army is still ginormous. I'll have to talk to MBarry

As for the tax, people won't work. If it is an income tax, they will reduce their work after 50%. That's why Europe is failing. Their income is decreasing as their taxes go up beyond 50%, because people stop working when they keep less than half of what they make......

[perdedor99]

Official name: Free State of Draka
Capital: Archona[OTL Pretoria]
Leader: Archon William Trevine
Pre ISOT: All of Africa plus Ceylon and Aden
Post ISOT: Africa south of Katanga province on the west, Africa from the border of Kenya down on the east.
Population: unknown due to large feral population in the interiors.
History: later
Military: later

[perdedor99]

I guess moderators didn't notice but the Russians have a 20round rifle? the Henry rifle has that many bullets[circa 1862]. And the Mauser, the standard of the service rifles of the last decades of the century only have ten. need to change the service rifle to something more with the era. The Draka will be carrying the R-3, a design that will inspired the Mauser.

[Othniel]

Offical Name: Oldenburg Confederation of Germany and the Rhine

Capital: Oldenburg.
Pre-ISOT boundries: I'll figure it out exactly.
Post-ISOT boundries: ...
Population: ...
History: Post Napeleon Danemark foserted the western side of the confederacy of the Rhine.
Armed Forces: ....
Head of State/Government: ....(Most likely a king of Denmark (Christian X), August Diedrich Schütte
Flag: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/250px-Flag_de-niedersachsen_300px.png os something close.
Everything west of the blue line. Luxemburg, Denmark, and Beligium remain as possible protecterate states. (meaning if they aren't ISOTed I'll do it.)

[General_Paul]

Dude Otheniel, I've taken all of germany! Check the posts, Aussie and I figured out the divying up of germany, so you might want to rethink that division. If you've got any questions, PM me.

[Bulgaroktonos]

He actually had first dibs on Germany by calling the Oldenburg confederation.

[Othniel]

Dude Otheniel, I've taken all of germany! Check the posts, Aussie and I figured out the divying up of germany, so you might want to rethink that division. If you've got any questions, PM me.
First page of the ME7: The Age of Imperilism. Post 8 I think was the first claim on any German territory. :)

[Othniel]

That army is way to huge Lauranthalas. I might give you 1 million men, in all services, support and frontline, tops. My Imperial Russia of ME6.0 had 9-13 million, and that is with current logisitical technology, and it was fighting WWIII.


Acualtly he might be pretty close. The largest battle ever fought was between Russia and Japan in 1904 I think. Not only did Russia have enough men to start dealing with revolutions and the invasion of Mongolia, but 130,000 Russians died in that battle. A usual detatchment. Remeber that before a certain time period that the US didn't have a standing army and had to call up milltias. I think Russia had full out Conscirption, or maybe it was complusary millitary service for all non-serfs (which at this time made up the majority of the population.) Lars, I'd subtract the serfs from your population first. Besides the biggest armies standing at this time were the US and the CSA.

[General_Paul]

Dude Otheniel, Germany can't survive without the saarland and the Ruhr valley. Just let me have the parts that aussie and I decided on, and you can end up controling overseas colonies, and I won't protest! I need the territory.

[Bulgaroktonos]

I'm pretty sure the largest battle ever fought was Stalingrad or the Somme. Over a million died in each battle. However, Germany had the largest army at the time of World War I. The total number of men put in the army during the entire course of the war are as follows.

Russia : 12,000,000
France : 8,410,000
Great Britain : 8,905,000
Italy : 5,615,000
United States : 4,355,000
Japan : 800,000
Romania : 750,000
Serbia : 707,000
Belgium : 267,000
Greece : 230,000
Portugal : 100,000
Montenegro : 50,000
Germany : 11,000,000
Austria-Hungary : 7,800,000
Turkey : 2,850,000
Bulgaria : 1,200,000

Given that Russia at war, over 4 years was able to put out only 3 million more than his proposed STANDING army, I've got to say that its implausible.

[Lauranthalas]

I change my battleships down to 65 ships a 400 men

[Othniel]

Dude Otheniel, Germany can't survive without the saarland and the Ruhr valley. Just let me have the parts that aussie and I decided on, and you can end up controling overseas colonies, and I won't protest! I need the territory.
I don't need oversea teritory, I don't want oversea territory. I have a personal union with Hanover. Further more, Shchelig and Holstien were bought from the Dutch. Hesse, and Hesse-Nassua are under heavy influence and joined freely. Without Rhine Providence it just wouldn't be the confed of the Rhine. Furthermore Germany's oversea territories just suck. Not to mention how Westphallia is nessary to my South to protect my rear.

[Bulgaroktonos]

Is there someway to reconcile this dispute?

GP, you do have Silesia, another huge center of industrialization for Germany, so you aren't doomed. You just might have to fight for the Saar......

[Lauranthalas]

but he doesn't have coal

[Othniel]

but he doesn't have coal
He'll have to trade for it from ht e biggest coal producer in the world. *points to MBarry* The USA.

[Bulgaroktonos]

I think that Silesia does indeed have coal.....gimme a second......

Yep.

"Silesia comprises the rich Karvinna coal basin. The most important part of Silesia is, however, its southern tip—Upper Silesia, in Poland (GPs Silesia). One of the largest industrial concentrations of Europe, it has extensive coal and lignite deposits and zinc, lead, iron, and other ores."

[Bulgaroktonos]

I change my battleships down to 65 ships a 400 men

Could you just do a run down of your navy, I'll edit it so its all squared away, but the point is that you've got 26,000 men running your battleships. Not bad in and of itself, but you've got to try and do the same thing for the cruisers etc that you still have an astronomical number of.....not to mention half your navy is support....

[Lauranthalas]

what do you think about 150 cruisers, 200 frigates, 250 corvettes?
support 5,000

[Ward]

what do you think about 150 cruisers, 200 frigates, 250 corvettes?
support 5,000


Would you like a list of the Russan Navy From the time 1872 .
I can get it for you , and the types and Names ,

[Lauranthalas]

i have a list of all battleships due to the fact that i am currently writing a webside about battleships. but you can send it to me if you want to.

[perdedor99]

Draka TL: From Ian's Draka 2 TL

1700s - Dutch establish Cape Colony in South Africa. For reasons I'm too lazy to come up with right now, a full-scale colony of over ten thousand is soon established, rather than an isolated outpost. Could be that the Spanish beat on them more, and there is an exodus of refugees to the various Dutch colonies.

1776 - Outbreak of American revolution. Major Patrick Ferguson invents early breechloading rifle, an effective weapon which is nevertheless somewhat difficult to manufacture and maintain. It's deployment is only substantially more effective than existing technologies in the more elite regiments who are trained well in its use and maintenance.

1779 - France, Spain, Netherlands declare war on Great Britain.

1782 - British naval victories in Caribbean, occupation of Haiti and Trinidad.

1783 - Second Peace of Paris. Britain gains possession of Dutch Cape Colony.

1783 - Loyalty Acts passed by British parliament. Cape is renamed the Crown Colony of Drakia, all loyalists are offered land grants in various British colonies. As an incentive to shore up control of the Cape colony, free transport is offered to Drakia.

1782-84 - First Loyalist refugees begin to arrive, supplemented by an enlarged British Army garrison. Tens of thousands of loyalists and their families arrive, creating tension with the approximately forty thousand Dutch Afrikaaners. Within a few years, the population is roughly half dutch, half immigrant (mostly American loyalists), and early Drakian society absorbs a notable Dutch-Afrikaaner component.

1784 - Founding of Durban and Liverpool. Volcanic eruptions devastate Iceland, and twenty thousand Icelanders receive asymlum in the British Empire. Most head to British North America or the US, but seven thousand are given free passage to Drakia as part of an ongoing British effort to cement control of Cape Horn.

1786 - Founding of York (Pretoria, South Africa). Gold discovered in Whiteridge, substantial mineral exploration begins in Drakia.

1788 - Gold discovered in the Transvaal, diamonds discovered in the northern Interior. The new mineral boom renews immigration, and stimulates the Drakian economy substantially. Within several years, Drakia moves from an agrarian colony and outpost of a hundred thousand, to a bustling, rapidly growing mining center. First steam engines imported.

1790 - Drakian Legislative Assembly passes Indentured Labor and Master and Servant acts, regulating slavery in the colony as a method of exploiting the native populace conquered during the constant expansion of Drakian fronteirs.

1790-95 - Rapid growth of economy and population, export trades established. Growth of Drakian shipping, expansion of several British shipbuilding concerns to Drakia. Zanzibar and Aden seized. Free population exceeds 150,000, slave population nears 500,000. Significant expansion of the slave trade, beginnings of the formation of a slave-based plantation and mining society. There is a substantial surplus of slaves, and Drakia becomes a major exporter, to the discomfort of some Drakians and many British.

1793 - Conquest of Northmark (Rhodesia/Zimbabwe) by Drakian militias underway. A tradition of armed landholder militias and mercenary units arises, contributing more to the expansion of the colony than the more conservatively deployed British Army.

1793 - Outbreak of French Revolutionary Wars.

1794-97 - French population of Santo Domingo/Haiti flees before a slave revolt, ten thousand arrive in Drakia. A scattering of Royalists from France follow, attracted to the isolation and prosperity of the colony.

1797 - The massive and loosely regulated expansion of slavery contributes to several bloody slave revolts. Slave Cold grants all freemen power of life and death over slaves, Militia Act establishes substantial citizen militias and reserve service. First Janissary Legion is soon recruited, though it is over a decade before experience in managing and recruiting them allows the Janissaries to be effective, stable fighting forces.

1799 - British African Mining Company founded, soon given a monopoly on large-scale mining. Richard Trevithick soon arrives from Cornwall, appointed to the position of Inspector-General of Steam Engines.

1800 - Free population reaches 250,000. First local industries started as the wars render imports uncertain, cotton becomes a major crop. Conquest of Egypt, French West Africa by British Army forces supported by the Drakian Expeditionary Force, the brainchild of the Drakian governer who mounts an expedition at substantial expense, convincing the British to lend armed support. He is later granted governorship of the Crown Colony of Egypt, encompassing most of old French North Africa.

1805 - High-pressure steam engine perfected by Trevithick, construction of first railway line begins three years later.

1807 - Ottoman Empire declares war on Britain following British refusal to evacuate Egypt. Britain seizes Cyprus, Tunisia.

1812 - Ill-prepared American forces invade British North America, are held off in Upper Canada and Quebec, and eventually defeated.

1815-16 - Congress of Vienna confirms Southern Africa and Egypt as British. Many British veterans and Napoleonic refugees immigrate to Africa. Egypt established as a British possession (including Cyprus and areas of French West Africa).

1820-30 - Rapid growth of export agriculture and transport. Substantial anti-slavery sentiment arises in Britain, produces tension with Drakia and defiant anti-bourgeois sentiment in the colony. Increasing restrictions on slavery in many parts of the Empire, many slaveholders immigrate to Drakia. Drakia becomes elided to Draka in popular usage. The 1826 slavery acts are narrowly defeated under strong pressure from Drakia, causing a backlash against the colony in popular opinion.

1832 - Slave trade banned in the British Empire despite Drakian protests, major impact on Drakian slave economy. British attempts to enforce this meet with resistance. Rise of the concept of the indentured serf as a method of abiding by the letter, but not the spirit, of the law. Antislavery movements in Britain and elsewhere begin widely publicizing the Drakian treatment of slaves and "serfs", notable for its systematic brutality

1834 - Passage of the Reform Act by British Parliament, abolishing outright slavery and mandating humane treatment of bondservants. Drakian animosity sparked, also extends to issues of mineral wealth being drained from the colony to little direct local profit. Clashes between Drakian militias and British forces over enforcement of the act lead to slaveholder revolts.

1835-36 - The Draka Rebellion begins, eventually succeeds after substantial mobilization of the local populace overcomes slowly-reinforced British forces. The rebels rename York to Archona, after the head of the new government. The Republic of Draka is formed, a slavery-promoting, militaristic authoritarianism with many of what would today be called fascist tendencies. Despite this, sentiment in much of the US is decidedly pro-Draka. Within a short period, the first real Draka navy arises to protect shipping, though Britain is largely successful in restricting the slave trade.

1840-50 - Draka forces begin large-scale conquest of Central Africa, 20% of the population mobilized for years on end, women's auxiliaries gain in popularity. Difficulties with disease in the central jungles prove prohibitive to settlement, which proceeds slowly. Organized collection and repression of slaves under the new system leads to large-scale expansion of slavery, now legally referred to as serfdom. The Republic of Draka is geographically and politically isolated, but gains industrial self- sufficiency and begins organized encouragement of immigration and settlement of the fronteir areas under a system of land grants to plantations. Rise of the two-part Draka society (self-sustaining fronteir plantations and monopolistic industrial Combines), as well as the entrenchment of universal military service.

1852-53 - Mexican-American war, annexation of all Mexico forced by Young America faction. All of British North America joined as the Dominion of Canada, British presence in Canada and the Crown Colony of Egypt increased in response to American and Drakian activity (the continuing difficulties in settlement of Central Africa, despite great effort, and the social drive to ownership of plantations, combine to support various military expeditions and adventurism in West Africa).

1854 - Cuba, Phillipines, Hawaii annexed by United States, attempt by Southern adventurers to conquer Central America fails.

1859-63 - American Civil War. Republic of Draka provides large-scale "clandestine" (preferential sales of large amounts of arms) aid to Confederacy. Combined with simmering British popular oppostion against slavery from the days of the Draka Rebellion, Britain is soon swayed to heavily pro-Union sentiment. Following the Emancipation Acts in 1862, and clashes with Draka ships at sea, the British Empire joins the war against the Confederacy and the Royal Navy establishes an effective blockade against Draka supplies. American/British relations reach a new height, their best since the Revolution. Draka industry, in support of the Confederacy, gains its first experience with large-scale war industry. Sale of repeating rifles, gatling guns, steam warships to the Confederacy. Experimentation with steam-powered warcars (not particularly effective). Union casualties exceed 500,000, and sentiment in the Republic waffles on the edge of overt assistance to the Confederacy, but following British intervention and the abandonment of the pro-Confedaracy French position, the Domination is forced to back down to avoid being drawn into a losing battle.

1860-70 - Germany united, mosquito vector of malaria established. Large scale efforts to combat the tsetse fly in central Africa finally begin to achieve real success, expansion of Draka settlement northward begins to catch up with military conquests. Concerted efforts to bypass the disease-breeding jungles of Central Africa underway due to strategic desires for expansion into Northern Africa. 300,000 Confederate refugees welcomed to Draka under a deliberate emigration program, more refugees arrive during the period of Reconstruction in the southern US. Dominion of Australia unites Australia, New Zealand.

[Condottiero]

Offical Name: Republic of La Plata
capital: Buenos Aires
Pre-ISOT boundries: Included OTL Argentine, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay, plus some colonial territories in Angola, Hawaii, Carolinas, Philippines and Nueva Caledonia
Post-ISOT boundries: Argentine, Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay
Population: 25,000,000 ISOTed
History:
POD 1771-1775 the Creole population revolted against Charles III of Spain. With the help of France and England the rebels managed to obtain independence for the Viceroyalty of La Plata. The Republic of La Plata is created.
1777 The Constitution of Córdoba is approved.
1780 An English invading army is defeated. Platense troops annex the Sacramento Colony that had been ceded by Spain to England.
1781 The Malvinas islands are occupied and settlements created there.
1786 The territories of the Vicekingdom of Chile are annexed.
1802-1810 Participation in the Napoleonic wars as allies of the French. Annexation of OTL Paraguay. After the defeat of Napoleon thousands of pro-french spaniards arrive.
1821 President Gilsanz announces the start of the colonisation of the south: the Patagonia and the Araucania are to be incorporated to the Republic. The local indian tribes will suffer the new Platense expansionism.
1830 Thousands of Europeans start to flood to the new territories. they come mainly from catholic nations (Ireland, Spain, Italy, Poland), but many russians and germans are also received.
1855 La Plata gets Angola as a colonial possesion in Africa after paying three million pesos to Portugal.
1857 The first transcontinental railway joins Buenos Aires with Santiago. The railway fever attracts workers from all the world and makes the platense meat and grain exports to raise hugely.
1863 An expansionist program starts with the build up of a modern fleet. The Philippines are bought to Spain
1865 Full electrification of the main Platense towns.
1870 The Event

Armed Forces
Army
* 5 cavalry divisions (each with 14 regiments of 1,000 riders equipped with mauser rifles, pistol and sabre, each regiment carries 10 light 70mm guns and 20 gatling machine-guns)
* 4 Mountain Infantry divisions (each with 7 regiments of 2,000 soldiers equipped with mauser rifles and pistol, each regiment is supported by 20 light 70mm guns and 25 gatling MGs)
* 5 Line Infantry divisions (each with 7 regiments of 2,000 soldiers equipped with mauser rifles and pistol, each regiment is supported by 40 light 70mm guns, 20 heavier 97mm guns and 5 heavy 240mm howitzers and two artillery-balloons).
* 2 Auxiliary Indian Infantry regiments (Mapuche and Patagon): each consists on 3,000 men equipped with rifles and bows.

All the guns are steel-barrelled rifled breech-loaders.

Navy (P: Pacific; A: Atlantic)

4 Predreadnoughts "Hambre" (A), "Peste" (A), "Muerte" (P), "Guerra" (P) (Duilio class 1873; 11,000 tons, 15 knots, 109x20x9 m; 4 x 450 mm, 3 x 120 mm; armour: belt 550 mm, deck 50 + 30 mm; 420 crewmen)

3 Heavy cruisers "Libertad" (P), "Democracia" (P), "Progreso" (A) ("General Admiral" class 1873; 4,600 tons, 13 knots, 87x14.6x6.4 m; armament: 6-203 mm. 2-152 mm. 8-47 mm. 1 tlt.; Armor: Belt 152 mm., Deck 13 mm.; 529 crewmen)

4 Battle cruisers "Almirante Vargas" (A), "Almirante Mendoza" (A), "Almirante Martinez" (P), "Almirante O'Donnel" (P) (Lepanto class 1876; 14,000 tons, 10 knots, range 8,700 nm, 125x22.5x9 m; armament: 4x431 mm guns in roofless turrets, 8 x 152 mm, 4 x 120 mm; 650 crewmen + 1 marine infantry regiment of 1,000 men)

5 Frigates "Buenos Aires" (A), "Viedma" (A), "Montevideo" (A), "Santiago" (P), "Valparaiso" (P) (Numancia class 1863; 7,300 tons, 13 knots, range 3,000 nm, 96x17x8 m; armament 40x200 mm; armour: 140 mm; 590 crewmen)

3 Ram-monitors "Toro" (A), "Búfalo" (A), "Bisonte (P) (Polyphemus class 1864; 2,640 tons, 18 knots, 80x13x6 m; armament ram, 5xsubm. TLT, 8xgatling MG; armour 50 mm, low profile, 120 crewmen)

7 Frigates "Senado" (A), "República" (A), "Presidencia" (P), "Unicornio" (P), "Grifo" (P), "Mantícora" (P), "Pacífico" (P) (Novara class 1850; 2,040 tons, 13knots, 50x14x6m; armament: 4x60pounds, 44x10pounds, 3x24pounds; 352 crewmen)

4 Submarines "Sombra" (A), "Sigilo" (A), "Susurro" (P), "Soplo" (P) (Ictineo class 1864; 65 tons, 1.5knots, range subm. 7.5 hours, 17x3x3.5 m, 20 crewmen, 1 457mm TLT (one shot))

Head of State/Government
President Juan Sebastian Mastropiero
Vicepresident Manuel Dario
F.O. Minister Rodrigo Diaz de Carreras
War Minister Gunther Frager

Parliamentary democracy with two chambers and three main parties: Conservatives (now in the govmt.), Democrats and Liberals.

Highly developped economy (cattle, grain, steel, shipyards, railways, chemical industry...)
Religion: mainly catholic but protestant, jew and muslim minorities are present.

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[perdedor99]

Infantry Weapons of the Free Republic of Draka circa 1870.
From excellent website Small Arms from the Domination

The R-3 brass cartridge bolt-action rifle:
After the adoption of the Telliard–Pauly rifle, the Drakans made only minor improvements in the next 25 years. The R-2 was certainly superior to the British Army's weapons during the Draka Rebellion of 1834–36, but it wasn't the only advantage the Drakans had. However, there are many tales of Army units killed nearly to a man by the longer-ranged R-2 in the hands of the Militia or Janissaries during this time.
Once the British Empire recognized the Free Republic of Draka (FRD), and internal consolidation was completed, the Drakans again found themselves in need of local sources of improved weapons. The British officially accepted the accomplishment of the Draka Rebellion, but they spent much of the next decade building the Suez Canal and arranging boycotts to punish the FRD. These external conditions, and a need for more firepower to suppress internal unrest, led to further innovation in small arms.
The next technical breakthrough proceeded from the development in the 1840s of techniques for cheap mass-production of seamless brass tubing. This was the result of improvements in automotive steam engines, but had a military application. East and Central Africa were being conquered, and the hot wet climate was having unfortunate effects on the permeable cartridge of the R-2. Also, attempts to design a workable repeating rifle had broken down on the fragility of the R-2's ammunition, and the burgeoning internal security needs were becoming acute. A drawn-brass cartridge was perfected in 1847, and the opportunity was taken to further reduce the caliber of the weapon. The feed mechanism was a steel box beneath the bolt, holding eight rounds and with a Z-shaped spring attached to a riser plate beneath the ammunition. Moving forward, the bolt "stripped" a round out of the lips of the magazine and chambered it. After firing, the bolt was turned, grasping the cartridge with a wedge-shaped extractor on the bolt face and withdrawn. As the bolt withdrew, so did the empty cartridge case, striking a milled "shoulder" and being flung out of the rifle. With the bolt left back, the magazine was exposed and could be reloaded, initially with individual rounds and later with clips of four, and finally eight, rounds in a beveled zinc strip holder. The new R-3's performance was as follows:
R-3 Rifle
Caliber: 10.16 mm (.40 inch)
Weight: 4.3 kg
Range: 900 m effective, 1350 maximum
Rate of Fire: 10–12 rounds per minute
Feed System: Fixed box, 8 rounds
Operation: Turn-bolt
The R-3 proved its worth both in the conquest of the remainder of "unclaimed" Africa, primarily Sudan and Ethiopia, and the numerous incidents of unrest that it quelled in the hands of the Security Directorate. With the R-3, the black-powder rifle had reached the ultimate refinement. The disposable cartridge helped to reduce the heating problems endemic to earlier types, removed much of the fouling from the chamber of the rifle, and was also virtually unaffected by water. The only remaining serious problems were those inherent in the black-powder propellant: fouling of the barrel, the required frequent cleaning (difficult in the heat of battle), and the large output of smoke which disclosed the firer's position and could blanket an entire battlefield. Further improvements in firepower would require advances from two separate portions of the Industrial Revolution: advanced chemistry and the repeatable (and interchangeable) action of precision machinery.
Machine Guns: The Gatling Gun
Frederick James Gatling (b. 1818, Maney's Neck, North Carolina; d. 1905, Archona, Archona Province) was a Southern-born inventor who began producing at an early age. His first career was in the field of agricultural machinery; his seed drills were ingenious and widely used. His second began in the late 1840s, when he developed the first version of the ten-barreled crank-operated machine-gun that later made his name famous. Gatling failed to interest the American government in his invention; the head of the Bureau of Ordnance was interested in more accurate weapons rather than ones that sprayed large numbers of bullets. So Gatling went to London in the spring of 1850 to test the European waters. He found little interest there too, but happened to meet (in a City chop-house) a junior member of the Drakan embassy, Marius de Witt, who had worked in the Naysmith Machine Tool Combine's design section in Diskarapur.
De Witt interested his superiors in Gatling's designs, and Frederick was encouraged to move to Diskarapur. There, in cooperation with the engineers from the Naysmith and Ferrous Metals Combines, he quickly perfected his designs. The new metallic cartridge proved ideal for this use, and a reliable weapon with a rate of fire in excess of 600 rounds per minute was quickly produced. General issue to the Drakan armed forces began in 1855, and Gatling guns were used with devastating effect in quelling several serf revolts. However, the Gatling was definitely a "crew-served" weapon comparable to small field artillery, and improvements in more portable (i.e. small arms) sources of firepower were still needed.
Pistols and the Le Matt Model 1870
At this point, a digression from the "long" rifle to the shorter pistol form is in order. While the Ferguson, R-2 and R-3 were important and useful long-range weapons for the individual, there were also shorter-range needs. The bayonet and saber mentioned earlier fulfilled the hand-to-hand roles, but there was a middle ground as well. Taking a cue from pirates of the high seas and officers of European armies, many freemen in the Drakian Militia, and later all the Drakan Citizens, carried sidearms in the field. These initially were single-shot black powder pistols, then double-barreled. When the revolver was developed by Francois Telliard and refined by others, the Drakans were among the first to seize upon it for military and internal security issue.
One noteworthy sidearm indigenous to Draka dates from just after the Slaver Exodus, inspired by the chaos that occurred in the port of New Orleans. The primary inventor, Dr. Jean-Claude Le Matt, fled New Orleans in the last Draka ship after news circulated that he had treated some wounded "slavers", and his house was burned by a mob of frustrated poor whites. He lost several family members in the escape, which included the use of a concealed shotgun. He ended up in the sugar country near Virconium, and devoted himself to developing a combination pistol and single-shot shotgun weapon as a sort of revenge. In its final form (the Model 1870), it had a swing-out cylinder, and was the last black powder sidearm authorized for regular use by Drakans. Note that the word "issue" wasn't used; these weapons were contracted for directly with Le Matt or one of his agents, and available with a variety of levels of decoration. Some that went into battle with less-affluent Citizens were "no frills", but most were works of deadly functional art in engraved steel, turquoise and ivory. Most of those that exist today are highly prized Drakan family heirlooms that are lovingly maintained; there were at least two duels fought using Model 1870s in the past decade.
The revolver portion of the Le Matt Revolver initially fulfilled a Drakan standing requirement for a multi-shot cavalry sidearm. However, as Le Matt wasn't an experienced gunsmith, just a gifted amateur, the caliber of the first model was .36 (9.14 mm), not one of the standard ones (.35 or .40) already used by the Draka. Le Matt was prevailed upon to alter the weapon's bore to .40, an existing rifle caliber, even though accuracy suffered from using ammunition designed for a much longer barrel. It was at this juncture that he thought to use the "waste" space in the center of the revolver's cylinder, and installed the single-shot buckshot barrel that made the weapon unique. In the heat of battle, men able to take advantage of this area effect often found it caused more casualties than the revolver's six to nine (depending on model) shots. While making the weapon even more mechanically complex, this unexpected (to the ignorant) capability gave the bearers of the Le Matt a very short range "equalizer" that could come in extremely handy in the confused melee of a cavalry action.
During the evolution of Le Matt's design, the caliber of both the revolver and shotgun changed several times, as did the number of shots. Important innovations such as a thumb lever to switch from revolver to shotgun, and a better retention mechanism for the loading rod, also had a checkered history. However, it is with the Model 1870 that Le Matt finally achieved the effectiveness he had been searching for:
Le Matt Revolver, model 1870
Caliber: 12.12 mm (.477) centerfire, 16.26 mm (.64) shotgun
Weight: 1.6 kg
Range: 25m effective, 40 maximum
Rate of Fire: 15–25 rounds per minute (revolver)
Feed System: 6 round revolver, single buckshot cartridge
Operation: Swing-out cylinder

[Condottiero]

Official Name: Papal States
Capital: Rome
Pre-ISOT boundries: Central Italy
Post-ISOT boundries: Central Italy
History:
1846 Cardinal Mastai-Ferreti becomes Pope Pius IX
1848 POD Pius IX decides to support the italian revolutionaries with the Encyclical "Hope in Justice".
1850 Catholic hierarchy is restored in Great Britain and in most of the Protestant nations.
1853 Declaration of the Patrimoni Petri as the means to grant independence of Catholic Church. Thus the Italian Nationalists try to annexate the Papal States.
1854 Victory of a Papal army, with franco-spanish help, over italian natinalists in Gaeta.
1856 The nationalists accept that Papal States should not be included in Italy.
1857 Encyclical "Of just war", that justifies the usage of military power in defense of faith.
1869-1870 Council Vatican I where some reformations in Catholic church are proposed (like cult in other languages than latin, more responsabilities to lay associations, deeper involvement in social issues, condemnation of totalitarian ideologies, missionary expansion,...)

Armed Forces
Army 13,000 men.
Gendarmes 2100 men;
Artillery 900 artillerymen with 40 70mm guns and 10 100mm guns;
Chasseurs 1000 men;
Line Infantry regt 1600 men
Dragoons 450 men
Squadriglieri or armed mountaineers 650 men.

Dutch Zouaves 1000 men
Belgian Zouaves 1000 men
Canadian Zouaves 1000 men
Swiss Carabiniers 1200 men
Légion d’Antibes 1100 men (french)
Legion of St. Patrick 1100 men (ireland)

Navy

2 Frigates "San Pietro", "San Paulo" (Novara class 1850; 2,040 tons, 13knots, 50x14x6m; armament: 4x60pounds, 44x10pounds, 3x24pounds; 352 crewmen)

Head of State/Government
Pope Pius IX
Population 1,000,000
Chanciller (F.O. Minister) Cardinal Silvestro Massanzoni
War Minister General Christofano de Lamoriciere
Elective Monarchy

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[Imajin]

Kingdom of Karelia
Lands ISOTed: Karelia, Finland, Kola Peninsula, Aland Islands
Lands not ISOTed: All other islands in the Baltic, Estonia, Java, Sumatra, Koopenhamina (Copenhagen), Ingria
King: Vaino II, King of Karelia and of Estonia, Royal Duke of Finland and of Aland, Conquerer of Swedes and of Danes
Capital: Viipuri
Armed Forces: Later
History:
The Karelian Tribes managed to unite under a common leader to fight off both the Swedes and the Novgorodian Rus. When Sweden was forced into the Kalmar Union with Denmark-Norway, Karelia took advantage of the political chaos within the Union to attack it. The armies of Karelia managed to crush those of the Union. Karelia came away with all of Finland, Estonia, and all of the islands in the Baltic (other than those integral to Denmark, and even Bornholm was taken from there), and the Kalmar Union broke apart before it even really began, with even Norway escaping Danish dominance.
Karelia then had to face off with the power of Novgorod. After the Ingrian War, however, Novgorod's power was completely broken, and the Prince of Novogord was forced to become a vassal of the King of Karelia. This, oddly enough, secured it's independence from Muscovy.
In the 1500s, Denmark, which had expanded its lands to include Schleswig, Holstein, and Pomerania, as well as it's traditional lands (including Scania), decided to regain some of its lost islands. The Dano-Karelian War of 1546-1564 was a long, harsh battle between powerful forces. Finally, Norwegian entrance in the war resulted in the Treaty of Helsinki. This treaty gave Copenhagen, and the land on the other side of the Oresund. The capital of Denmark was moved to Roskilde.
Karelia was now a major power, and recognized as such. It dominated the Baltics, and would do so for almost four hundred years afterward. These 400 years were not peaceful. There was a War with Sweden (1623-1645) which resulted in a loss of northern Finland, though the Second Karelo-Swedish War/War of Finland (1662-1672) resulted in Sweden losing it again. Denmark tried to seize Copenhagen in the Copenhagen War (1698-1675) which resulted in the deportation of the Danish population of the Oresund area, and the replacement of them with Karelians, and the renaming of the city to the Karelian name "Koopenhamina". The 1700s were a bit more peaceful, however, in 1768 two claimants came up for the throne. The Karelian Civil War only ended in 1800, with Novgorod having broken free.
In the 1800s, the Karelian East India Company was formed to take advantage of trade with India. The compant was forced out of India by the English, however, and moved on to the islands, eventually carving out an 'exclusive trade zone' consisting of Java and Sumatra. These became a formal colony in 1858.
Flag: Green-Black-Green, with a Karelian Bear in the center. The naval flag is a green cross, a green saltire, all on black.

[Condottiero]

Official Name: Skandistan
Capital: Al-Qobenaqa
Pre-ISOT boundries: OTL Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland and Carelia
Post-ISOT boundries: Denmark, Sweden and Norway
History:
645 The Ummayads go for Constantinople instead for North Africa.
The Bizantine Capital falls, and Tunis, Mauritania and Hispania are spared from Arabic conquest.
653 The arabs in Central Europe, OTL Viena falls
711 Battle of Trier, an allied army of Saxons and Franks is utterly destroyed.
720 Creation of the Emirates of Ungariya, Germaniya and Frankiya.
745 Victory of a Visigothic army over the Arabic forces in Roncesvalles. The Arabs must stop on the north side of the Pyrennees.
813 The Arabs take Jutland. The islamization of nordic tribes start.
825 The Roman Empire, that has again as capital Rome, signs a peace treaty with the arabs achieving a certain independence.
925 Skandistan is fully conquered by the Dane Emir Abdula Magnusson.
1010 The Emir of Germaniya rebels against Bagdad and declares himself Caliph.
1035 As the new Caliph of Germaniya is facing Arabic armies that come from the Balkans, the Emirs of Frankiya and Skandistan rebel and declare themselves Caliphs. Hassan al-Azraqi ibn-Sven is the first Skandistani Caliph.
1052 The Coalition of European Caliphs defeat the forces of Bagdad with Roman help.
1102 Some dane emirs land in England and start the conquest of the Eastern part, the Danelaw, that will be islamized.
1204 Nordic explorers discover Greenland and North America, they create small settlements, but the war against the Mongols in the East prevents any further effort.
1330 Small islamic settlements all along north American coast (the sourthener point is Florida).
1342 Victory of an allied Romano-Visigothic army in Arles. The Islamic tide is turned back in Europe.
1350 Scotland rebels against Skandistan with help of the christian irish Warlords.
1353 American nordic settlements are abandoned.
1410 Skandistan missionaries spread between the indian tribes.
1425 Roman explorer Anselmus Amerius discovers a new route to America.
1439 Pact of Toletum between the Visigoths and the Romans by which they divide the new lands.
1499 Battle of Taqawonts (near OTL Atlanta) in which an Skandistany army is defeated by Roman settlers.
1501 The Ottomans invade Anatolia and the Balkans but they are defeated by the armies of Ungariya and Germaniya.
1502 War spreads to Europe, although the Skandistanies only get support from the Caliphate of Frankiya.
1523 Treaty of Lutetiya by which Skandistan recovers lost territories in the Americas but renounces to further colonisation. The Aztec Empire is annexed by the Roman Empire while the Visigoths get lands in OTL Venezuela and Brazil.
1550 The Romans annex the Incan Empire.
1573 The European Caliphates form an alliance against the Romans and their allies (Visigoths and Irish), but they had to sue for peace when the Ottomans invade Ungariya.
1630 Skandistan's colonies in North America prosper, although they are badly pressed by the Romans from the South and the Irish from the sea.
1750 Annexation of OTL Finland, Carelia and parts of Russia.
1800 Skandistan's territories in North America reach the Pacific coast.
1810 The Noth American territories rebel with Roman support.
1869 Romans enter Germaniya with a huge army defeating and capturing the Caliph. Simultaneously the Visigoths invade Frankiya and the Irish Angliya.
1870 The Skandistany Caliph prepares an army to recover Germaniya and Frankiya for the True Faith. The Jihad is declared and the Caliph hopes this time they will defeat the Romans for ever.
1870 The Event

Armed Forces
Army (something like Napoleonic armies with some more modern elements)

30 Infantry Divisions (each with 10,000 men equipped with mauser-like rifles and guns of different calibers)
5 Cavalry Divisions (each with 10,000 riders equipped with pistols and sabers)
5 Cavalry Divisions (each with 10,000 riders equipped with lances and pistols)
Navy


40 Ships of the Line of 70-80 guns (like 1800s warships)
10 Ships of the Line of 100-120 guns (like the spanish Santísima Trinidad)
50 Galeasses

Head of State/Government
Caliph Ragnar al-Ashraf ibn-Magnus

F.O. Minister Emir Muley al-Jamil ibn-Bey
War Minister Sheik Abdul ibn-Sven
Theocratic Monarchy
Population 15,000,000

Flag

[Othniel]

Imjin, the bear dances in the East eh?

[Aussey]

Offical Name: Kaisertum Österreich

Capital: Vienna

Pre-ISOT boundaries: the Hereditary Lands, the Lands of the Bohemian Crown, the Kingdom of Hungary, the Kingdom of Bavaria, the Austrian Netherlands, Kingdom of Naples, Kingdom of Sicily, Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria, Bukovina, Western Galicia-Cracow, Venetia, Dalmatia, Austrian South Arabia, Austro-Sicilian Libya, and the Austro-Chinese Sphere of the Orient.

Post-ISOT boundaries: the Hereditary Lands, the Lands of the Bohemian Crown, the Kingdom of Hungary, the Kingdom of Bavaria, the Austrian Netherlands, Kingdom of Naples, Kingdom of Sicily, Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria, Bukovina, Western Galicia-Cracow, Venetia, Dalmatia, Austrian South Arabia, Austro-Sicilian Libya, and the Austro-Chinese Sphere of the Orient.

Population: 3,500,000

History: With the aid of Fredrick the Great, Maria Theresa I was able to successfully fight her way to the throne, and be crowned Empress. Without ever loosing Silesia, her dream was for Austria to colonize the Middle East. During her reign, many succesful acts made the central government much more larger. Provincial legislatures were placed in Naples, the Netherlands, Bohemia, and Hungary. Maria Theresa I's reign went on much as it did in ours.

Joseph II's reign also close to same, except he has a son by his second wife, Archduke Joseph. Joseph II dies three years later, and his mother rules as Regent until she dies when Joseph IV is 17. He marries an Italian princess at 18, and they have a son, Archduke Rudolph, when he is 20. In 1817, Austria established the Crown Colony of Austrian South Arabia, conquering Muskat & Oman, and setteling the Yemen Coast. The Empress went on to give birth to 10 other children.

Rudolph succeded to the throne as Rudolph II in 1830. He also marries an Italian princess, who gives him one son. Emperor Rudolph II reign only 2 years before mysteriously dieing from unknown causes. His 2 yea old son becomes Joseph IV with Empress Anna Guisepenia as Regent. Joseph takes the throne in 1857, and his 10 year old daughter, Maria Theresa, is made heiress-presumptive. His wife gives birth to four more daughters: Maria Caroline, Maria Antonia, Maria Anna, and Maria Adelaide. While fighting a war with the Poles, Jospeh IV is killed in Battle in 1860. His wife, Empress Leopoldina, rules as regent for her daughter for 4 years, and Maria Theresa II takes the throne in her own right in 1864. Maria Theresa II went on to further centralize the government into Vienna, and a two more large cities were established in Austrian South Arabia. She married Prince Carlos of Spain in 1865, and gave birth to a daughter, Maria Theresa. She went on to give birth to a set of fraternal twins, Joseph and Caroline, who died in infancy. Three sons, Leopold, Francis, and Ferdinand, all who died under the age of 3, and 2 daughters, Maria Johanna and Maria Fransica, the elder of which also died. When her husband died in 1882, she went mad, and Archduchess Maria Theresa was made Regent.

Maria Theresa II died in 1883, and her daughter succeded her as Maria Theresa III. According to Hasburg Succession, Maria Theresa III cannot marry a cousin who is her 1st to 4th. But she must marry a Habsburg. She is currently unmarried.

By now, Austria is a major military and naval power. The Naval Alliance of 1863, was an agreement between the four-most naval powers at the time: Britain, Prussia, France, and Austria.

Armed Forces:
Imperial Armed Forces of the Austrian Empire
Leader: Supreme-Commander of the Imperial Armed Forces Maria Theresa III Habsburg-Lothringen

Divisons: The Imperial Austrian Army consists of the Archducal & Serene Army of Austria, the Royal Army of all Hungary, the Royal Bohemian Army, Royal Armed Forces of Bavaria, Royal Venetian Army, the Royal Army of Naples, and Royal Sicilian Army. There is also the Imperial Armed Forces of the Austrian Empire, which is drafted from all the kingdoms, duchies, etc.

Archducal & Serene Army of Austria:
Army- Approx. 50,000 men (including all other branches: calvary, army, etc.), with 10,000 reserves (not included in 50,000). Men drafted from the provinces of Upper Austria, Lower Austria, and Silesia.

Calvary- Approx. 13,000 men, armed with modern (for 1880) guns, and, well, they ride horses.

Artillery- Compromised of the newest machinery invented, this branch is still in the expiremental stage, however, Austria is constantly updating their military.

Royal Army of all Hungary:
Army- Approx. 34,000 men (inlcuding all other branches: calvary, navy, etc.) with 7,000 reserves (not included in 34,000). Men drafted from all princedoms within the Apostolic Kingdom of Hungary.

Calvary- Approx. 10,000 men, armed with older-fashion (1860s) guns, and are also on horses.

*Artillery is the same in all provincial branches*

Navy- Having a coastline, the Royal Army of all Hungary was allowed three battle-ships, having the title Royal Hungarian Ship (RHS) and are registered along with the other Imperial ships. Currently, one more ships is being built.
RHS St. Stephen
RHS Budapest
RHS King of Hungary

Royal Bohemian Army:
Army: Approx. 10,000 men (including all other branches: army, artilley, etc.), with 7,000 reserves (not included in 10,000). Men drafted from Bohemia, Czechia, and Slavonia.

Calvary: 7,800 men, armed with 'ancient' guns provided by the Imperial Government, these 'guns' date back to the 1810s. The Bohemians are not liked in the Armed Forces, and are the 'lowest of the food chain' not one ranking above Sargent.

*Artillery is the same in all provincial branches*

Royal Armed Forces of Bavaria:
Army- Approx. 20,000 men (including all other branches: army, artillery, etc.), with 8,000 reserves (not included in 20,000). Men drafted from Bavaria, and Austrian held territories of Hesse.

Calvary: 10,000 men strong, armed with the most modern guns, stolen by the Austrians before the incorporation of Bavaria, and the crowings of Maria Theresa II, then Maria Theresa III, as Queen of Bavaria.

*Artillery is the same in all provincial branches*

Royal Venetian Army:
Army- Approx. 9,800 men (including all other branches: army, navy, etc.), with 3,000 reserves. Men drafted from the Kingdom of Venetia, and Duchy of Lombardy-Milan.

Calvary- 2,400 men strong, armed with semi-new guns (1870s) purchased from Napoleon by Emperor Joseph went Venetia was acquired by Austria.

Navy- Having the most important coastline, the Kingdom of Venetia was allowed to keep its navy, but their ships were re-named by the Imperial Government. Venice's former navy consists of some 15 ships, not named. Named are ones given to, or built for Venetia after their annexation into Austria, which are 5 in number:
HMS Venice
HMS St. Mark
HMS Doge
HMS Serenity
HMS Serene Kingdom

Royal Army of Naples:
Army- Approx. 25,000 men (including all other branches: army, navy, etc.), with 2,000 reserves. Men drafted from the Kingdom of Sardinia, and captives taken from the claimed island of Sardinia.

Calvary- 19,000 men strong, armed with the most modern (1880s) guns availiable, ISOTed from Spanish held ports and bases, ISOTed into Austria, and sitributed by the *ASBs*

Navy- The Naval Act of the Italian Kingdoms, passed in 1878, by then Princess-Regent, re-institued the Royal Navy of Naples, and Vienna returned 4 ships of the 20 ships taken upon incorporation. 3 more were built later, and *ASBs* granted them the two Spanish destoryers parked in former Spanish ports. Naples' ships are styled "RIS" (Royal Italo-Austrian Ship), and are registered in the Imperial Navy:
RIS St. Mark
RIS Sardinia
RIS Habsburg
RIS Italianna
RIS Kingdom of Naples
RIS Maria Antonia
RIS Austro-Italian

*Artillery is the same in all provincial branches*

Royal Sicilian Army:
Army- 7,000 men (including all branches: army, navy, etc.), with 650 reserves. Men are drafted from the Kingdom of Sicily, captives taken from claimed Sardinia, and Austro-Sicilian Colony of Libya.

Calvary- 2,300 men strong, armed with guns provided by Naples, Austria(proper) and the Imperial government. Most are semi-modern to modern (1870s-1880s).

Navy- The Naval Act of the Italian Kingdoms, passed in 1878, by then Princess-Regent, re-institued the Royal Navy of Sicily, and Vienna returned 5 ships of the 11 ships taken upon incorporation. 1 more was built later, and *ASBs* granted them the one Spanish destoryer parked in former Spanish ports. Sicilian' ships are styled "ISS" (Imperial Sicilian Ship), and are registered in the Imperial Navy:
ISS Emperor Ferdinand
ISS Kingdom of Sicily
ISS Sicilian
ISS Empress
ISS Maria Theresa
ISS Libya
ISS Austro-Sicilian



Imperial Navy of the Austrian Empire
This navy, a centralized and national one, is under the direct control of the Imperial government, the Ministry of the Navy, and ultamatley, the Lord-High Admiral of the Imperial Navy, Maria Theresa III Habsburg-Lothringen.

These ships are not part of the provinces *proper*, so their orders do not have to be passed through a provincial legislature. The pride of the Imperial Navy, of course, is the HIMS Kaiser Max, a top-of-the-line destroyer, constantly updated. Currently, the Imperial Navy is 60% done with another ships identical to the HIMS Kaiser Max, to be named the Regina, and 40% done with another identical destoryer, to be named the King of Jerusalem.
Imperial Austrian Fleet as of March 31, 1886:
Older Battle Ships (aquired from Naples, Sicily, Spain, Turkey, etc.)
Drache
Golden Eagle
Habsburg
Maria Antonia
Maximillian I
Kaiser Max Class: (Capital Highest End Ships)
Margaret of Austria
Franz Ferdinand
Marie Antoinette
Lissa
Tours
Kaiser Max
*Under Construction* Regina
*Under Construction* King of Jerusalem
Empress Class: (Cruisers)
Maria Theresa I
Princess Anna
Vienna
Silesia
Slavonia

Small Minor Battle Ships~
Venetia Regina
Salzburg
Budapest
Tyrol
Palatinate
Moravia
Holy Roman Emperor
Babenburg
Sicilian Rex
Kingdom of Naples II
Trieste
Austro-Bavarian
Austro-Sicilian
Count of Habsburg
Sultan
Francis of Lorraine
Venetia
Victoriana
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Imperial Army of the Austrian Empire:
This army, a centralized and national one, is under the direct control of the Imperial government, the Ministry of the Army, and ultamatley, the Commander-In-Chief of the Imperial Armed Forces, Maria Theresa III Habsburg-Lothringen.

These regiments are not part of the provinces *proper*, so their orders do not have to be passed through a provincial legislature. The pride of the Imperial Armed Forces, are the *Special-Defense* regiments of Eastern Czechia, Western Galicia, Lower Austria, and Army of the Danube River.

Each regiment is consists of 1,000 men, and are divided into 10 divisions of 100 men each. These numbers to not constituate with the provincial branches. <Normally, each kingdom has 1 or 2 regiments>:

Königreich Böhmen:
1st Bohemian Regiment~ 1,500 men
Division of Bohemia- 700 men
Division of Moravia- 500 men
Division of Silesia- 300 men

Königreich Ungarn:
1st Hungarian Regiment~ 1,500 men
Division of Transylvania- 500 men
Divsion of Burgenland- 400 men
Division of Croatia- 700 men
2nd Hungarian Regiment~ 1,000 men
Division of Slovakia- 200 men
Division of Western Croatio- 800 men

Königreich Dalmatien:
1st Dalmatian Regiment~ 1,000 men
Division of Pagania- 200 men
Division of Zahumlje- 400 men
Division of Travunia- 200 men
Division of Duklja- 200 men

Königreich Galizien und Lodomerien:
1st Galician and Londomerian Regiment~ 1,000 men
Division of Galicia- 500 men
Division of Londomeria- 500 men
2nd Galician and Londomerian Regiment~ 500 men
Division of Western Galicia- 550 men
3rd Londomerian Division- 150 men

Königreich Kroatien und Slawonien
1st Croatian and Slavonian Regiment~ 1,000 men
Division of Slavic Croatia- 600 men
Division of Slavonia- 400 men

Lombardo-Venezianisches Königreich:
1st Regiment of Lombardy~ 2,000 men
Division of Milan- 500 men
Division of Lombardy- 500 men
Division of Venetia- 1,000 men
2nd Regiment of Venetia~ 1,000 men
Divsision of Royal Venetia- 700 men
Division of Venice- 400 men

Erzherzogtum Österreich:
1st Regiment of Upper Austria~ 2,000 men
Division of Vienna- 1,500 men
Division of Salzburg- 500 men
2nd Regiment of Lower Austria~ 1,500 men
Divsion of the Empire- 900 men
Divsion of Lower Austria- 600 men

Herzogtum Kärnten
1st Carinthian Regiment~ 1,000 men
Division of Tarvisio- 650 men
Carinthian Mens Divison- 350 men

Herzogtum Krain
1st Carniolan Regiment~ 700 men
Pannonian Divsion- 400 men
Illyrian Division- 300 men

Herzogtum Schlesien
1st Silesian Regiment~ 900 men
Division of Voidvodship- 750 men
Division of Silesia- 150 men

Königreich Bayern:
1st Bavarian Regiment~ 1,000 men
Division of Hesse- 500 men
Division of Munich- 300 men
Division of Augsburg- 200 men
2nd Bavarian Regiment~ 1,000 men
Division of Franconia- 600 men
Division of Swabia- 200 men
Division of Lower Bavaria- 200 men
3rd Bavarian Regiment~ 1,000 men
Division of Miltenburg- 950 men
Passau Town Free Division- 50 men

Reggnos delle Due Sicilie
Naples Regiment~ 2,000 men
Division of Upper Naples- 500 men
Division of Middle Naples- 500 men
Division of Lower Naples- 500 men
Italian Division- 500 men
1st Sicilian Regiment~ 1,000 min
1st Sicilian Divison- 500 men
2nd Sicilian Divison- 500 men

((More soldier are inlisted into the Imperial Armed Forces itself, and those numbers are not shown))

Head of State/Government: Her Imperial Majesty, Empress Maria Theresa III, By the Grace of God, Empress of Austria, Apostolic Queen of Hungary, Queen of Bohemia, Queen of Dalmatia, Queen of Croatia, Queen of Slavonia, Queen of Lodomeria, Queen of Illyria, Queen of Jerusalem and so fourth, Archduchess of Austria, Duchess of Salzburg, Duchess of Styria, Duchess of Carinthia, Duchess of Carniola, Duchess of the Bukovina, Grand Duchess of Traansylvania, Countess of Moravia, Duchess of Upper Silesia, Duchess of Lower Silesia, Duchess of Auschwitz and Zator, Princely-Countess of Habsburg & Tyrol, Princely-Countess of Kyburg, Princely-Countess of Goritz, Princely-Countess of Grandisca, Princess of Trient & Brixen, Countess of Upper & Lower Lusatia and in Istria, Countess of Hohenems, Feldkirch ,Bregenz, Sonnenberg, Sonnenberg and so forth, Lord of Triest, Lord of Catarro, Lord of the Wendish Mark, and Sovreign of the Order of the Golden Fleece.

Flag:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ea/250px-Habsburg_Flag.png

[Aussey]

Imperial Austrian Navy:

By the beginning of the 19th century, the old rivalry between Britain and France had been replaced by a new threat from the newly united states of Imperial Prussia, and the ever growing Austrian Empire. Under the Kaiser, and the Austrian Emperor, Prussia and Austria and had grown in their status' and wealth and was looking to challenge the British empire and its colonies.

The rapid industrialization of Prussian and Austrian economies had lead to a trading rivalry between Prussia, Austria, and Great Britain. With the Prussian and Austrian economies outstripping that of Great Britain, Imperial Prussian Austria had the potential to eventually equal or be greater than, the maritime power of Great Britain.

This challenge to the British sea power was not left unchallenged as Great Britain also expanded its sea power. By the 1860's, Great Britain, Prussia, and Austria had large powerful surface fleets and submarine fleets which were destined for conflict.

In general terms, the British had an older fleet, lesser in numbers than the Austrian, whilst the German fleet was more modern with some technological advantages. However the Austrian was larger and most modern, due to many smuggled plans from London and Berlin into Vienna.

Size of Austrian Fleet as of December 31, 1866:
Drache Class~
Drache
Golden Eagle
Habsburg
Maria Antonia
Maximillian I
Kaiser Max class~
Kaiserin
Margaret of Austria
Franz Ferdinand
Kaiser Joseph III
Erzherzog Ferdinand Max
Marie Antoinette
Lissa
Bourbon-Habsburg
Erzherzog Albrecht
the Netherlands
Hungarian
Bohemian
Tours
Kaiser Max class~
Maria Theresa I
Princess Anna
Vienna
Silesia
Kronprinzessin Erzherzogin Stephani
Emperor Rudolph II
Slavonia
Aushwitz
Imperial

Turret ships and pre-Dreadnoughts~
Wien class~
Monarch
Salzburg
Budapest
Tyrol
Austrian Habsburg
Habsburg class~
Moravia
Holy Roman Emperor
Babenburg
Sicilian
Kingdom of Naples
Italy
Erzherzog Karl class~
Pope Innocent
Erzherzog Karl
Trieste
Austro-Bavarian
Austro-Sicilian
Radetzky class~
Radetzky
Count of Habsburg
Sultan
Marianople
Venetia
Victorria
Freedom

[Imajin]

Julian Republic
Population: 145,567 (65% Catholic, 35% Pagan)
Capital: Urbs Julius
Language: Julian Latin
Head of State: Consul Tarrius Milites
Armed Forces: Defense is the priority of Portugal. There is a police force of 100 on the island, and three Portuguese Battleships: The Avis, The Joao II, and The Braganza.
History:
The Republic Society was formed in the Roman Empire during the reign of Trajan. The Society called for a return to the Roman Republic, and became popular in the upper echelons of Roman Society. Trajan feared them, and "gratefully" "offered" them the chance to form a Roman Colony in Mauretania. However, their ship blows off course, and they end up on the Azores, where they build the city of Julius, in honor of the leader of the Society.
The Julian Republic quickly stagnated into a slow cycle of expansion and assimilation of the natives, until Portuguese Contact. The Portuguese didn't see the islands as too useful, but seized some of the smaller islands for a refueling station.
When the Portuguese were taken over by the Spanish, the Spanish took over the whole islands, and forcibly converted many to Catholicism. The Spanish were harsh rulers, and to gain the support of the people, the first Braganza rulers of Portugal granted the Julian Republic mostly independence, "gratefully" taking over defense for them. The Julian Republic remains a de facto Portuguese territory, but is theoretically independent, with it's own culture and language. Surprisingly, the 35% Pagan population of the islands, oppresed brutallly under Spanish rule, are allowed to practice their religion, though converts to Paganism are banned and not recognized as such, and the Consul must be a Christian.
Flag: Green-White-Green, with SP QJ, and in the space between the letters, a large Roman Eagle holding fasces.

[Condottiero]

Do I need "moderator approval" to my TL? I have just seen the stick about it?

Could I claim a second small nation: Philippines?

Thus I will have

Argentina (big one)
Skandistan (big one)
Papal States (small one) --> why not does it appear on the map?
Philippines (small one)

[Galbatorix]

PLEASE APPROVE IT


Offical Name: Empire of Persia
capital: Tehran
Pre-ISOT boundries: Persia, Azerbaijan, Afganistan, Turkmenistan and PaKistan
Post-ISOT boundries: Persia, Afganistan and Pakistan
Population: 35000000 million
History:

1.502 - 1.524 Ismail Y. Conversion to shiism.

1.514 - 1.555 war against turkey. alliance with portugal

1.581 alliance with spain against turkey. Badgad is taken.

1.587 - 1.629 Abbas I. capital is moved to Isfahan. Cenit of Safavida Empire.

1.629 - 1.642 Safi I.

1643 Hispanoportuguese territories taken by holland.

1.655 Abbas II expels the hollanders.

1.722 Afgans capture Isfahan.

1.732 - 1.736 Abbas III. Fall of the Safavids.

1.729 Nader Quli expels the afgans.

1.736 - 1.747 Dinastia Afsharid, fundada por Nader Quli.

1.751 Alliance with Portugal renewed. Modernization of the fleet and the army.

1.750 - 1.779 Karim Kan starts the Zand dinasty.

1.812 War against Russia. Persian army defeats the Zar army. Turkmenistan is occupied by persians.

1.827 Rusia invades Tabriz. Russian forces are finally defeated.

1.841 Persia invades india. Defeated by British.
1.834 - 1.848 Mohammad Shah.

1.848 - Naser ad Din Shah.
1.870 Army and navy modernized by prusian advisors.

Armed Forces
Army: 300,000 men most of them volunters, 50,000 cavalry, 100 war elephants, 1500 cannons
Imperial Navy 5 armoured cruisers (2 in the Caspian), 3 protected cruisers (1 in the caspian), 20 frigates (8 in the caspian)

Head of State/Government
Shah Naser ad Din
War Minister Sheik Luft ali khan
Foregin afairs Minister Mohamed Ja'far


Flag

[Bulgaroktonos]

I have no problem with that TL, except you should know that I've got Pakistan......

[Galbatorix]

!Vaya! ?Can I have Irak instead? just to fill the map

[Bulgaroktonos]

I don't see why not.

[Imajin]

Kingdom of Armenia-Trebizond
Monarch: His Royal Highness, Alexander III, King of Armenia, Emperor of Trebizond, Grand Duke of Yerevan, of Nakhichevan, Khan of Karabakh, of Zangezur
Capital: Tigranocerta is being rebuilt by nationalists, Trebizond is currently used, Yerevan is an important city, as are Stepanakert and Ani.
Armed Forces: Later
Population: 2,345,456, 62% Aremenian, 18% Pontic Greek, 15% Turkish, 5% Other
History:
The Armenian Kingdom's history is somewhat vague in character, but it's origins trace to the falling Mongol Empire. Several Khanates were formed out of Armenian Anatolia, including Zangezur and Karabakh. It was the Khan of Zangezur who began a period of Armenian expansion, conquering the Khanate of Karabakh and expanding into the lands ruled by Turks, as the Ottoman Empire expanded from it's base in the west. After seizing land south of the Greek Empire of Trebizond in 1567, the Khan of Zangezur-Karabakh took the title "King of Armenia". This immediately propelled him into conflict with the Khan of Yerevan, who had taken it upon himself to make himself "Grand Duke" for some reason. The superior and larger Armenian forces easily took his territory, and his title in 1580.
In 1590, King Geyches II the Great of Armenia left the Kingdom to his son, Alexander I. In Alexander I's reign, the last of the Trapezuntine Emperors died. Alexander happened to be the closest heir, and the Empire, a strip of land on the Black Sea including the wealthy city of Trebizond. Alexander made his capital in Trebizond.
Since then, the Kingdom of Armenia-Trebizond, as it became called, mostly kept the same borders, and had relatively good relations with the Turkish Ottomans. For a time it acquired the Crimean Peninsula, though later it lost it to the Ottomans, who eventually had to cede it to Russia. And in 1870, Armenia-Trebizond dissapeared...
Flag: Red-Green-Blue Tricolor. Origins unknown.
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/a/am_1885p.gif

[perdedor99]

If the ISOT is 1886 I guess this is the weapons the Draka will have.

From same page than last Draka entry.

Smokeless Powder and the R-4a
Mining had always been an important part of the Drakan economy, and when the Swede Alfred Huskqvist (b. 1820, Uppsala, d. 1890, Kenia Province) \l "footnote5" perfected his method of stabilizing nitroglycerin by absorption, it was quickly adopted as the main explosive in the mines of the FRD. Dynamite (as the new compound was called) exploded far too readily to be used as a propellant, but proved to be very suitable as a bursting-charge in artillery shells. After settling in the FRD, Huskqvist developed a mixture of nitroglycerin and nitrocellulose that could be extruded into various shapes, and which gave a much more controlled "burn" than black powder. The new compound was patented in 1872, and known variously as "cordite" (from the string-shaped pieces initially used), "white powder" (from its color) and, usually, "smokeless" powder. The War Directorate immediately noted the superiority of the new propellant: less fouling to build up in the chamber and barrel, much less smoke to give away the rifleman's position, higher velocity, and flatter trajectory. At first, double-base smokeless powder was substituted for the original 250-grain load of compressed black powder used in the R-3. However, this meant the breech had to be strengthened to handle the higher pressures, and the sights redesigned for longer ranges. What resulted was a modified R-3 rifle that was entered into a testing program as the R-X-4; this was intended to be a modification kit to the R-3.

Performance was as follows:

R-X-4 Rifle
Caliber: 10.16 mm (.40 inch)
Weight: 4.4 kg
Range: 1350 m effective, 2000 maximum
Rate of Fire: 10–12 rounds per minute (reloaded)
Feed System: Fixed box, 8 rounds
Operation: Turn-bolt

However, there were serious problems, and the R-X-4 was withdrawn from testing before ever being issued. Only a few were ever produced, and none issued to field units; the design museum at the Technological Institute of Archona is the only location where these can be found in the present day. Recoil was excessive, and the velocity so high that the bullet tended to melt in the barrel, lining it with smears of lead. The rifling also tended to "strip" the exterior of the bullet.

This failure was taken as an opportunity to redesign the service rifle from the ground up. A smaller caliber was used, since it was obvious that the higher velocity reduced the need for a large bullet to achieve severe wounds. The shape of the bullet was redesigned with a "boat-tail" to reduce drag, which extended range even further. The round itself was made of lead swaged into a jacket of harder alloy, except for the nose, which was left bare to expand inside the target. And the feed mechanism was altered to a detachable clip with 10 rounds, which made reloading easier under battlefield conditions. Designated R-X-4a while under development, this weapon entered service as the R-4a.
R-4a Rifle
Caliber: 7.5 x 60 mm
Weight: 4.1 kg
Range: 1825 m effective, 2275 maximum
Rate of Fire: 12–14 rounds per minute (reloaded)
Feed System: Detachable box, 10 rounds
Operation: Turn-bolt

The R-4a was standard issue for the Drakan armed forces until 1906, with the advantages of simplicity, light weight, rugged construction, and a very hard-hitting round. While the only wartime use was by Citizens during the final conquest of Ethiopia, it served well. The R-4a had several imitators in Europe, e.g. the German Mausers of 1888 and 1898.

Automatic and Self-Loading Weapons
While the Gatling gave excellent service, it was inevitably large, bulky, heavy, and usually mounted on a modified field-gun carriage or steel tripod. In vehicle mounts with an exterior power source, the very high rate of fire and reliability made it nearly ideal, but for infantry service it had severe limitations.
After the adoption of smokeless powder, the Drakan Gatlings were easily modified to fire the new round, but it was obvious that new possibilities were opened by the new propellant — especially by its reduced waste residue and the more efficient "long push" that its slower burn gave as compared to black powder.
The first new application was in a heavier weapon, a 25 mm automatic cannon designed for armored-vehicle use and as an antiairship defense. Developed by Charles Manson of the Army Technical Section in 1882–86, it used a form of blowback operation, combined with advanced primer ignition. The breechblock was flanked by two metal arms, themselves attached to a strong coil spring in a sheath around the lower barrel of the weapon. When released, the block was pulled forward by the spring, stripping a shell out of the metal-link feed belt and firing it slightly before reaching the full-forward position. The recoil force thus had to stop the forward inertia of the breech, then move it backward against the mass of the breechblock, the two flanking arms, and the force of the coil spring

notes.

Armored cars are steam powered with terrible wheels and worse suspension systems if at all. Only could be used on the roads so a paved highway or they will break down as fast as you can see uncle. And not that many either way. Same with airships. flimsy things used for recon and machine gunnning rebel serfs.

[perdedor99]

Draka land forces

500,000 Citizen Defense Force
From those 100,000 are part of the Women Auxiliary Corps and 10,000 are part of the the Drakian Navy and Special Weapons Corps

Rest of Citizen Force is organized as mounted rifles in regiments. But they also fill the officers slots in the Janissaires units and manned the artillery units. Artillery regiments include batteries of Gatling guns for support. The doctrine is to use horses for rapid deployment and fight as infantry. The Citizens use tactics that IOTL were called Boer Tactics during the German Imperial Army 1902 War Games. So in reality of the 500,000 total you maybe have 100,000 real fighting pure Draka units not counting Artillery.

700,000 Janissaires

All of them organized as infantry with Draka officers. Artillery support is given by Drakian units. Well organized and also trained in "Boer Tactics."

Drakian Navy
Drakian Free State is a land power and only have enough ships to protect their coastline. :D
Only 4 predreadnaughts made the trip to Mosaic Earth. Eerily similar to Condotierro ones in characteristics. :p

6 heavy cruisers: also similar to Condi's characteristics and 65 ships of smaller size.

Special Weapons Corps

The grand name given to the 25 airships in service and the 225 steam armored cars. Neither is what you called a war winning weapon.

OOC: So I got lazy with the Navy. Hope is OK. :D

[Civilizer]

Offical Name: United Kingdom of Castile, Portugal, and Brazil
Capital: Madrid
Pre-ISOT boundries: Portugal, Eastern portion of Brazil, Central west african coast, Spanish regions of Galicia, Asturias, Castile/Leon, Madrid, Castile/La Mancha, Murcia, western Andalucia and Extremadura, Southern Somalia, and Madagascar,
Post-ISOT boundries: Portugal, North-Eastern portion of Brazil, Central west african coast, Spanish regions listed above, Southern Somalia,OTL Caribbean possetions
Population: 23,000,000
History: The history of "Spain" begins with the marriage of Prince D. Joao II of Portugal with Isabel of Castile. After this union, the Reino Unido was quickly established as a permanent union of the two nations. Spain allied with Aragon against the moors, and got half of their territory. The Aragonese later made a similar union as the Portugal-Castile one, except with Navarra. After Christopher Colombus' failure to convince Ferdinand of Aragon of his voyage, he convinces Isabel in 1494. The explorer finds the Caribbean islands in much the same way as OTL, and Spain's Empire expands similarly. However, now it is also united with Portugal's Brazil, since Aragon loses its claimed territories in a war with Spain in 1532. Spain's glory increases greatly, except without the European territories in OTL, and more of a focus on overseas. However, after the failed invasion of Britain in 1595, Spain begins to stagnate. Little by little, its once large Asian and African territories are conquered by the rising powers of England and France. The line established by the first two monarchs lasts to this day, as the oldest surviving European line. Revolution in South America begins in 1807, while Spain is being invaded by the French-Aragonese alliance in an attempt to unite the Peninsula. Spain fails to hold on to Mexico, La Plata, Gran Colombia, Chile, and Peru, although Brazil remains loyal, due to a Spanish restructuring of their colonial system, making it more similar to Britain's. Brazil is renamed the Crown of Brazil, and becomes an equal in the Reino Unido. The rest of the territories are grouped into the Dominion of Spanish West Africa, the Dominion of Spanish East Africa, and the Dominion of the West Indies. By 1830, Spain has recovered from the loss of many of it's American territories, and by 1860 is becoming a major power again, with a navy about half of Britain's. It embraces industrialization in Iberia, but not in Africa and northern Brazil. It also began embracing a more parliamentary form of government, although the King still has considerable power.
Armed Forces: 450,000 troops, 30,000 Cavalry, 2000 cannons
Navy: 53 Frigates, 13 Iron clads
Head of State/Government: King Carlos VI, Parliamentary monarchy with considerable Royal power. Ability to declare war shared between the King and Parliament.
Flag: Ill do it later, have to go eat.

[Ward]

Canada
I am still working on it will be up by next week .

[Glen]

post-ISOT -snip-OTL Caribbean possetions-snip-Dominion of the West Indies.

Sorry Civilizer, but I possess all of the Caribbean. If MBarry allows a late addition, maybe you could take the rest of Brazil not claimed and Peru (I think no one has claimed it). You might also consider what is left of Mexico, which would then at least give you access to the Gulf of Mexico.

[Othniel]

Country:
(1)Dutch Southwest Comapny
(2)Pro-Dutch Natives
(3)Anti-Dutch Natives (Be it independant of influence, or for a anouther colony)
Capital:(1) None (2)-(3) Mobile
Pre-Isot Borders: Free trade Area (Everything that is trans-app.)
Post Isot: (Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Lousianna, and West Florida)
Population (1) 105,000 Dutch (2 & 3) Incalcuble
Armed Forces: (1) 3 Battalions pre every 800 miles of territory. 5 per city. 1 Pre-Napoleonic millitary ship per every 12 civillian ships.
Head of State: (1)Regional Company Representive
(2& 3) Shaman and Chieftans.

[Othniel]

(Only Dutch trading posts will be ISOTed of the myriad of trading posts in the area.)

[Matt]

The Crown Colonies of Georgia and Carolina

Head of State: King George IV(not ISOT)
Head of Government: Georgia- Governor General Lord Jefferson Wallace
Carolina- Governor General Lord Victor Dale Dye
Pre-ISOT Borders- Georgia- OTL states of Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi minus the Gulf Coast
Carolina- OTL states of North Caralina, South Caralina, and Tennesee
Post-ISOT: Same
Capital: Georgia- Savannah
Caralina- Georgetown(OTL Charleston)
Population: Georgia- 2.8 million
Carolina- 2.7 million

History: The American Revolutionary War went much worse for the Americans, and already shaky support for the cause in the deep south dissolved. The Americans eventually won, but the 3 southren most colonies stayed in British hands.

[Scarecrow]

Official Name: The Republic of Sonora

Capital: Hermosillo

Pre-ISOT boundaries: Baja California Norte, Baja California Sur, Sonora, Sinaloa

Post-ISOT boundaries: Baja California Norte, Baja California Sur, Sonora, Sinaloa

Population: Approx.1,250,000. (1882 Census) 85% Mexican, 15% French

History:
POD: during the aftermath of the US-Mexican war, the governors of the states of Chihuahua, Durango, Zacatecas, Coahuila, Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas met and decided to Secede from the corpse of Mexico. Ambassadors were sent to the US to ask for help with freeing themselves from Mexico, with a promise of giving the land of OTL Gadsden purchase. The US government agreed, and after a two year war the Republic of the Rio Grande gained their freedom, which was officially signed on August 11th, 1850. In other northern Mexican states, such as Sonora, there was a sentiment of anti-Government feeling, and revolts spread across the area. That’s where Count Gaston Raousset-Boulbon comes in. he arrived in California (San Francisco) on August 22, 1850, just in a moment when US laws segregate the foreign people to explode the California richness.
Gaston Raousset-Boulbon was born in Avignon, France on December 2, 1817, belonging to one of the most notable families in the Provenze. After his father's death, Raousset-Boulbon moved to Paris, then to Algeria. He made in Algeria a prosperous life, When the 1848 revolution broke off, falling in bankruptcy. He back to France taking the Republic side. He founded the daily La Liberté. Raousset-Boulbon did not found favour neither among the royalist nor the republicans, then impoverished and ruined in all aspects, Raousset-Boulbon embarked in 1850 the steamship L'Avon towards California via Panama. He arrived Jamaica where embarked the steamship Dee taking him to Chagré, Panama where landed on July 6, 1850. Finally the steamship Ecuador drove him to San Francisco, California, arriving on August 22, 1850. His flee coincided to the move of thousands of French-people who looked for both: go out from the war in their country and find well-being in California.
As many non-US people Raousset-Boulbon disappointed for both, the margination by US authorities and laws, and the lack of gold. Then he thought the California gold should extend towards the Mexican State of Sonora. At this time, after the loss of further Northern states, Mexico was in a state of collapse. Bandits roamed the countryside, revolutionaries spread revolts. It was a piece of land waiting to be exploited. Raousset-Boulbon made his first trip to Mexico in February 1852. Once in Mexico City, he met Consul André Levasseur who introduced him to investors of a company called La Restauradora whose mayoritary partner was Jecker, Torre and Co. On April 7, 1852, Raousset-Boulbon singed a contract with La Restauradora on which he is appointed jointly with an "agent" (who met in San Francisco) to explore all places in northern Sonora, discover mines and good, and take possession of them.
The Count returned to San Francisco, once got the permission, and recruited a company of about 270 men, in addition to weapons and food. On May 19, 1852, he left San Francisco, on the Archival Gracie to arrive Guaymas, Sonora, the first day of July, under a great and spectacular welcome provided by the Guaymas people and Sonora authorities.
General Blanco was appointed to supervise the French expedition, but was frequently burled by Raousset-Boulbon, who justified him-self saying he tried to fulfil the contract terms, while General Blanco just kept passive. The expedition moved to Hermosillo (formerly Pític), then to Ures, and so other places until get Arispe (Arizpe). Promising the people of Sonora wealth and freedom and liberty from their oppressors in the south, the Sonorans rallied to his cause, and the local bandits joined his expedition force. By the 2nd anniversary of Rio Grandian independence Sonora, Lower California and nearly all of Sinaloa was under Raousset-Boulbon forces or allied bandits. The Mexican army, suffering desertions and poor command was no force for the better equipped army under Blanco, and terms of surrender were worked between the Mexican Government and Raousset-Boulbon. Raousset-Boulbon would receive all of Sonora, Lower California and Sinaloa. On November 14th 1852 Raousset-Boulbon declared the Republic of Sonora, with himself as its leader. The Bandits who allied themselves with the Frenchman were awarded land in Baja Norte and Sinaloa, and were used to ‘clean out’ the Indians who were terrorizing the outlying countryside.

Devastated by a series of lost wars and secessions, the central Mexican government finally collapsed as Bandit warlords took over areas of the countryside, and secessionist movements sprung up in areas such as the Yucatan, which was taken over by a local warlord. Mexico was no longer a single political entity.
Lured by hopes of gold like in California, thousands of French migrated to Sonora, and a smaller group of Americans migrated. There wasn’t the same gold in Sonora as in California, but the French stayed, mostly in Sonora-proper, in towns like Hermosillo and the booming port town of Guaymas, but others went out into the countryside and established silver mines, where the Sonorans worked in poor conditions. The silver and some cotton exported gave a significant economic boost, and it was so great that a railroad was built from Guaymas to Hermosillo, and then gradually expanded outwards into the countryside.
When Raousset-Boulbon, the first President of the Republic of Sonora, died in 1875 his country was very different to the dusty desert states he conquered 25 years ago. Silver and iron mining was brining in money, and during the American Civil war Sonora had experienced a brief economic boom when the American cotton supply was cut off by the Union blockade. Railways snaked across the country; factories sprawled on the eastern Gulf coast, and the University at Hermosillo was even half decent by European standards. The country still had problems though, as Mexicans fleeing the warlords poured into the country in varying numbers. Indians were still a problem in the north, occasionally raiding cattle ranches. There was social stratification between the French ruling elite and the Mexican poor, and slums were developing in the bigger, industrial cities. The French still held nearly all of the top administrative positions, but some native Sonorans, fluent in French were climbing the social ladder. With Raousset-Boulbon dead, an election was held, and the son of General Blanco, Paul Blanco was elected as president.
Over the 1870’s there was a slight economic slump as France cut off the cotton trade to buy cheaper Indian cotton. After the Franco-Prussian war and declaration of the 3rd republic in Paris, French migrants flooded into Sonora, boosting the population. Under Raousset-Boulbon senate-congress elections had been irregular, as in the 1850’s there were no elections, but after several revolts and petitions, Blanco decided to regulate the elections, with congressional elections every four years, and senate every three years, but Presidents are still elected for life. Blanco initiated several reforms in Sonora, such as changing the flag from the French tricolor with the words "Indepéndance de Sonora" to a flag with a white background with two horizontal red stripes on the bottom and three red stars on the top. The Sonoran navy was expanded to actually being a physical force, with several frigates bought from the Britain, along with a Battle Cruiser. There is no need or population to support a bigger navy. It is more a symbol of wealth and power to the Sonorans and the World. During this period Sonora came closer politicly with Rio Grande, even setting up joint ‘anti-Bandit taskforce’. The taskforce is a commission of cavalrymen to combat Bandit kings of the south, whose raids had intensified in the early years of the 1880’s. Some in both countries ponder if their republic should annex parts of Mexico or establish satellite nations to stabilise their nations, or even down right invasion and conquest of the Bandit nations.
By 1886 the Republic of Sonora had approximately 1,250,000 population, significantly greater then OTL, partially due to the migration of French, bit mostly to do with the migration of Mexicans into the republic, the better health system, etc. Sonora and Rio Grande are minor powers, strong in their own way, but they couldn’t take on a Great Power, but they could defeat the Bandit nations easily, and a war between the two of them would be a close stalemate, but Rio Grande would be the more powerful, simply through pure numbers.

Armed Forces:
Soldiers: A standing army of about 20,000. The uniforms are brown pants with a white and red jacket, with a small white hat. Guns are a mix of British/French/American arms, no real standard weapon, but the British model rifles are used by the majority of troops, but in some cases the American and French models are used. Troops are also equipped with swords and grenades. Most regiments are backed up by several gatling gun. There are four artillery regiments with heavy artillery.
Cavalry: three Cavalry regiments with 500 units in each, most from the Bandit-Knights established in the early days of the republic. The elite army units are cavalry units that live of the land, like a professional stereotypical view of cowboys, eg living of the land, tracking enemies for days across the desert, and are allowed a certain amount of freedom compared to other troops.
Navy:
4 Frigates, the Hermosillo, the Guaymas, (7,300 tons, 13 knots, range 3,000 nm, 96x17x8 m; armament 40x200 mm; armour: 140 mm; 590 crewmen)
the Ciudad Obregon, and the Mazatlan. ( 2,040 tons, 13knots, 50x14x6m; armament: 4x60pounds, 44x10pounds, 3x24pounds; 352 crewmen)
1 Battle Cruiser, the Raousset-Boulbon ) (Lepanto class 1876; 14,000 tons, 10 knots, range 8,700 nm, 125x22.5x9 m; armament: 4x431 mm guns in roofless turrets, 8 x 152 mm, 4 x 120 mm; 650 crewmen)
1 Experimental sub
Various small cruisers with the Coast Guard.
Head of State/Government:
President-for-life Paul Blanco

[Civilizer]

sry, i forgot to take them out of post-ISOT boundaries. The caribbean doesn't ISOT with "spain". Hmmm... i think ill have what remains of Mexico remain loyal to the crown for some reason.

[Glen]

sry, i forgot to take them out of post-ISOT boundaries. The caribbean doesn't ISOT with "spain". Hmmm... i think ill have what remains of Mexico remain loyal to the crown for some reason.

Fine by me, but you'll have to talk to MBarry about your total land holdings due to the 8 pm cut-off the other day. Since you actually have a write-up for your country, I think that you should be given some leeway. But that's me.

[Othniel]

Country: New Ablion
Capital: Wiltement Valley
Pre-Isot Borders: Oregon Country plus some.
Post Isot: Oregon Country, plus unsure.
Population: I need to find this out.
Armed Forces: Millitias for 7 'States'
Head of State: William James Chester
History:
I'm working I'm working.

[Aussey]

Name: Kingdom of Navarre

Capital: Pamplona

Leader(s): King Philip VII, Queen-Consort Elisabeth de Bourbon

Government: Absolute Monarchy

Population: 2,300,000

Navy: 275,682
300 battleships, with roughly 135 men on each
590 armored frigates (50 men each)
986 transporters (40 men each)

King's Guards:
73,100
Cavalrymen

King's Muskateers:
500

Muskateers de Bourbon:
789

A 15,000 Man Army is what Navarre has left to defend itself. 5,000 of which are Calvary.

History:
In 1554 Queen Joan III choose declared Calvinism her kingdom's official religion. With support from her daughter and heir's husband, King Edward VI of England, Navarre was succesfully able to establish its Church. However, many nobles felt that the new religion was too liberal.

Sadly, in 1560, when Catherine assumed the throne in Navaree, her husband died. But, she was pregnant. Parliament decided to rule regency in England until the Dowager Queen gave birth to a child. It was a girl. Parliament passed the crown to Princess Elizabeth. (Mary died in 1558, after fleeing to the HRE).

Queen Catherine I had been a good friend of Queen Elizabeth of England. Under Catherine's rule, the Church of Navarre took a more catholic form. The episcopate was re-instated and the Queen was declared Pope of the Navarrese Church. She claimed Apostolic Succession when her Protestant appointed Cardinals created her Pope. Catherine later married a prince of Denmark, and gave birth to a son, the future King Loui I.

During the sixteenth, and seventeenth century Navarre became the naval superpower. Establishing colonies in Central America, and in the La Plata region of South America. During Loui V's reign (1689-1721) Navarre was able to force Spain into re-gaining some of its former counties lost to Castile.

By the 19th Century, Navarree was a very succesful nation. The current King, Philip VII, came to power in 1830, and married a Protestant Bourbon ex-princess. He also changed his Episcopate title to "Pontiff of all Navree" instead of the blatantly Catholic: "Pope"

Now, Navrre is content ruling the small colony of Brasillia, and being a major player in continental affairs.

Flag:
http://www.allstates-flag.com/images/full-size/flags/international/Basque_Lands.gif

[Imajin]

The flag looks implausible. I don't see why the Basque Nationalist flag is likely, as it was created in the 1890s, which is past ISOT. They'd probably use a flag with the chains of Navarre, like this, the flag of French Navarre:
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/f/fr-navar.gif

[perdedor99]

Official name: Free State of Draka
Capital: Archona[OTL Pretoria]
Leader: Archon William Trevine
Pre ISOT: All of Africa plus Ceylon and Aden
Post ISOT: , OTL South Africa, Zambia, Botswata, Namibia, Rhodesia,Mozambique and Angola.
Population: unknown due to large feral population in the interiors.
History: later
Military: later

Updated version of Draka territories is on bold on the Quote.

[Othniel]

The flag looks implausible. I don't see why the Basque Nationalist flag is likely, as it was created in the 1890s, which is past ISOT. They'd probably use a flag with the chains of Navarre, like this, the flag of French Navarre:
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/f/fr-navar.gif
I like that flag

[Glen]

Offical Name – Kingdom of New Granada

Capital – Rotates yearly between Cartagena, Havana, and Guatemala. Currently held in Havana.

Pre-ISOT – Southern Mexico from Tabasco and Chiapas through all of Central America, Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela, the Guyanas, all Caribbean Islands, Bahamas, and Florida East of the Suwannee River.

Post-ISOT - Same

Population – 27 million

History – POD November 1549 Conclave chooses 61 year-old Juan Alvarez y Alva de Toledo as Pope. At the moment of his election, de Toledo is struck mute and unable to communicate for a month. Upon his recovery he announces he has had a vision of Jesus who told him, “You will be called Beneficent, for through you my Beneficence will be shown to the world.” Pope Beneficent (later St. Beneficent) was previously a conservative Dominican who even recommended the reconstitution of the Inquisition in light of the Reformation. However, after his vision he demonstrated a complete change of heart, bringing an accelerated counter-reformation to the Catholic Church, instituting tolerance and a more heterogeneous approach to belief. Protestant movements on the continent never take hold. This change in character of the church was cemented with the lengthy forty year reign of Pope Beneficent, who died at the age of 101 years old. By the time of his death, all Cardinals had been his appointments, and he tended to promote younger men than his predecessors, and thus secured his legacy of reform. The vision of Saint Beneficent would go down in Christian history as the most significant since Paul on the Road to Damascus.

Pope Beneficent’s influence was especially felt in his birth nation of Spain, where the combination of elation at the elevation of a Spaniard to the head of the church, combined with the miraculous circumstances surrounding Beneficent caused the most amazing alteration in the spirit of the nation. The new tolerance allowed talented people previously excluded, even non-Christians, to rise to the fore and the administration of the Empire would be the better for it. It also made for a more humane treatment of subject peoples in the New World.

One of the earliest changes this new spirit engendered was a reorganization of the administration of the Iberian (Spain and Portugal would still be ruled by a single monarch for a time as in the OTL) New World. The Spanish Empire was split into three Viceroyalties (with Brazil comprising a fourth) in 1566, the Viceroyalty of New Spain in the North (essentially as in OTL sans southern Mexico and the Caribbean), the Viceroyalty of New Granada in the Center (comprised of the Caribbean, the Captaincy of Gracias i.e. Southern Mexico and Central America, New Granada, Venezuela, and Ecuador), and the Viceroyalty of Peru (the rest of South America) in the South. Within a few years, peninsular Florida, which had closer ties to the Caribbean, would successfully petition the crown to join the Viceroyalty of New Granada. New Granada would also expand along the Northern coast of South America to include all the Guyanas.

With this reorganization also went a new wave of energetic and empowered viceroys. The Viceroyalty of New Granada paid particular attention to affirming Spain’s claim to the entire Caribbean, and fought tirelessly to drive pirates and buccaneers out of her waters and islands (many didn’t actually leave, but settled down to a quieter life of smuggling). More of the profits of the New World were re-invested in developing the viceroyalties, leading to greater growth and prosperity. The papal edicts decrying the unending bondage of slaves in the 1560s influenced the Spanish Crown to enact limits on the length slaves could be held in bondage to 15 years for those captured and forced into slavery, and 20 years for those in debt. The peon system was also reformed, and over the centuries the two practices would be gradually phased out and replaced by free labor by 1723.

The Viceroyalty of New Granada developed along distinct regional lines. The South American region’s wealth was based on mining, first precious metals and gems, and then later with coal and iron. Coffee and cocoa were also major products of the region. The Caribbean Island region (including the Florida peninsula) built its wealth on growing and exporting sugar and sugar products, and indeed had a virtual monopoly on the trade. The Central American region struggled at first to find a niche economically, but as the Pacific grew, it became an important link in transoceanic trade. The culmination of this tradition was the construction and later modernization of the Panama Canal.

A canal linking the Pacific and Atlantic (via the Caribbean) had been proposed as far back as the early 1500s, but the viceroyalty only seriously considered the project in the ending decades of the 17th century. The project took many decades to complete and suffered several setbacks initially. However, enthusiasm remained high throughout the region for the project and with some additional backing from financiers of the other two regions and the crown, it was completed in 1733. The project stimulated the development of many new technological innovations and served as a model for canal construction for a century. Indeed, canals would be built to facilitate transportation throughout Central and South America, based in no small part on the hard earned experiences of the Panama Canal. The Panama Canal itself would undergo a major expansion and modernization that was completed in 1846.

The Industrial Revolution started at the dawn of the 19th Century in Northern South America, and spread rapidly to her sister nations and across the sea to the continent. Although overtaken early on by some of the great nations of Europe in terms of percent output, the New Granadan industrial sector grew at a rapid pace as factories spread throughout Venezuela and Columbia at first, and eventually to the rest of the South and Central America. The Caribbean remained focused on agriculture and shipping. Worker conditions were safeguarded early on by activist priests following in the best traditions of the Church. With industrialism came the railways, which finally pierced into the interior of the continent and soon crisscrossed the nation. However, sea travel was still the main transportation of the nation, with the Caribbean serving as the highway of the country. Indeed, most New Granadans think of themselves as men of the sea, and even the lowliest will often have a small boat they employ for pleasure and dream of the great merchant fleets of the Kingdom. One particular technological marvel achieved in recent years was the laying of the ‘Great Circle’, a telegraph system that traverses down the entire length of Central America, across the Northern South American region, and then continues up the chain of islands until it reaches Cuba, where it then travels its greatest underwater length from the tip of the island back to the Yucatan, completing the circuit. Important spurs of the telegraph network go south to Ecuador in the west and Guyana in the east, as well as north up the coast of Florida. This rapid communications system has been especially useful in providing warnings of approaching Hurricanes to the nation. It also has aided in the work of the New Granadan Customs service, a branch of the New Granadan Navy that has a particularly strong presence along the islands of the Caribbean. Tall towers and in some locations balloons, are stationed on a majority of the islands, allowing spotters to sight ships approaching New Granadan waters, and fast ships can be dispatched to interdict any shipping that fails to stop off at a Customs port for inspection.

The Viceroyalty of New Granada became the Kingdom of New Granada in 1747, when the King appointed four of his children as vassal rulers of the four former viceroyalties (Spain and Portugal remained jointly ruled), and he himself was proclaimed Emperor of the Hispanic Empire. The new Kingdoms by and large followed the trend already developing on the Iberian Peninsula at the time of delegating authority in most matters to the elected officials of the Cortez. Initially, the Cortez only represented the landed class. However, over the centuries the restrictions on who might vote and serve in the Cortez were eased, and by as early as the 1780s even minor landholders could elect and be elected to the Cortez. By the 19th Century, voting for the Cortez was based on universal male suffrage and anyone could be elected to represent the people.

Education levels are generally high, with primary and secondary education provided by the Church, and universities are subsidized by the government for those who pass the rigorous entrance examinations. The ‘standard’ dialect and accent of New Granadan Spanish is based on the regional Colombian style, and is considered one of the loveliest and most sophisticated in the Spanish speaking world.

Culturally, the Kingdom of New Granada follows a model of the chivalrous criolle caballero that has percolated through to all levels of society as one to aspire to (perhaps a little less so in the islands, where a more laid back version of mainland society exists). The reforms of the Church and subsequent Latin society have tended to ameliorate some of the worst biases towards women, but they still do not enjoy equality. Clothing tends to be similar to OTL 19th century mode, but with higher class attire widespread among the large middle class. One major exception to these cultural norms occurs during Carnaval, when masks go on and clothes get scarce throughout the nation. While most of the time, chastity and fidelity are virtues, during Carnaval a more bacchanalian spirit takes over. Liaisons during Carnaval usually stop at fully intimate relations, but can go quite far otherwise.

Several decades ago, interest in studying ancient Mayan culture began in the north as new archaelogical studies began to give a clearer picture of those times. This trend has spread throughout New Granada, and Mayan elements have worked their way into the more stylish and fashionable quarters of New Granadan society. It is a popular excursion of gentlemen and their ladies to tour the great temples and ruins in the Northwest of the nation, and this has become a boom industry for that corner of the nation.

The most recent excitement in New Granada society was the recent elevation of a New Granadan to the Papacy as Pope Beneficent V. He has returned recently to celebrate the New Year before making a tour of the Americas, the first Pope to do so in a century.

Armed Forces – The Kingdom of New Granada, located centrally to her sister nations of the Hispanic Empire, does not require a large standing army (though the Florida border remains garrisoned), instead settling for a small professional corps that can serve as cadre for new recruits in time of war. Indeed, for anything less than war, most New Granadans will form a posse and aid the authorities in any confrontation. Almost universally, New Granadan citizens keep and maintain arms in their homes, part of the Caballero culture. Hunting remains a popular pastime (and in some more rural regions still supplements family diets), and thus most New Granadans are not only armed but proficient with their rifles. Also, dueling still remains an active part of New Granadan culture, both with sword and pistol, though the trend has been to fight to first blood rather than the death, and use of pistols for dueling has been on the decrease. In contrast to the army, the New Granadan Navy is well developed for its role as the protectors of the Caribbean and the adjacent Atlantic. They are also charged along with the navies of New Spain and Peru of patrolling the Pacific coast of the Americas. In the War of 1850 (1850-1855) with Russian and England, the New Granadan Navy distinguished itself in several actions. Several lessons of that great war were later incorporated into the new ships commissioned in latter decades. By 1880, the New Granadan Navy had many new ships with main guns on turrets and powered solely by steam (most commercial shipping in the Caribbean still use sail or sail and steam). Further maintaining the New Granadan Navy’s high standards is the ‘friendly’ rivalry between that navy and the navies of the neighboring Hispanic Empire nations. New Granada also has a strong Marine Corps to complement the Navy.

See ME7: The Armed Forces for specifics.

Head of State/Government – King Carlos II of New Granada / Constitutional Monarchy (power shared between the Crown and the Cortez). Vassal State of the Hispanic Empire.

Flag -

[Glen]

Map of The Kingdom of New Granada -

[Glen]

A couple other minor points.

The King has a Council of the Peoples that has a member of each of the many indigineous peoples in it, as well as other minorities not represented in the Cortez. The original purpose of this body was to provide advice to the government from a quarter otherwise not heard from. While it gives them a voice, it has no real power. As these groups have started to see representatives elected to the Cortez (for example, the Maya), their Council reps have been dropped. However, several minorities of European immigrants are now represented in the Council.

Coffee and Cocoa are major domestic and foreign products. Indeed Coffee and Chocolate drinks are a strong tradition in the nation, and are consumed by all from an early age, usually on a daily basis (heavily sweetened with Caribbean sugar, of course). The most patriotic drink is a sweetened Mocha.

Speaking of Chocolate, Guyana at the intersection of the sugar and cocoa producing regions has become a major candy producer, and ships tons of candy to Europe and North America.

The Central American region of course is still a major producer of Bananas/Plantains and also Pineapples.

The Kingdom of New Granada has a well-developed disaster response ability based on regions to deal with Hurricanes, Earthquakes, and the occasional Volcanic activity.

It should also be noted in the write-up on New Granada that oil exploitation has begun, and has virtually replaced the use of whale oil.

When did diesel start again<g>?

[Glen]

Banking is a big business in New Granada, which has some of the most banking-friendly laws in the world (think OTL Swiss and Caribbean banks). The Central American region particularly has worked to build their banking.

Depending whether the ISOT is set in January 1 1870 or April 1 1886, I may have to change the reason Pope Beneficent V is in New Granada, and adjust the date of the last War (currently called the War of 1850). I want this war to have ended approximately 15 years before the ISOT, so if it is 1886, I will have it fought from 1865-70.

The maps we currently have show the Western Border of Florida more with either the Auchilla river or with the Withlacocochee river to the Suwannee. Not certain which would be better (having the entire course of the Suwannee turns out to be more tortuous, and doesn't make a lot of sense as a boundary they'd have used, especially with these other options trivially nearby. Any suggestions?

[perdedor99]

if we can be having weapons five years after the ISOT I guess this ones qualify as being in development.

While efficient, the mechanism was not directly transferable to small arms. It did inspire a good deal of experimentation, and in 1890 Dr. Alexandra Tolgren, of the Shahnapur Technological Institute, made the first serious application of the gas-delayed blowback principle which was to be the foundation of Drakan small-arms design for two generations.

The Tolgren automatic pistol used a rimless modification of the standard 10 x 15 mm smokeless-powder pistol round adopted in 1881. The feed device was a 12-round staggered box clip in the grip. Operation was as follows: the bolt, which was machined to wrap around the barrel on three sides, ran forward, chambered a round and fired when the trigger was pulled. Above the barrel was a short cylinder, the rear end of which was sealed. A gas port was drilled through to the barrel, and a piston-head and rod were inserted in the tube forward of the port. The operating rod ran forward through a further, slotted portion of the tube which contained a coil-spring, and at the forward end was fastened to two steel pins that ran in grooves back along the outside of the gas tube and attached to the bolt.

At rest, the spring held the breech sealed. When fired, the recoil of the weapon began to blow the bolt backward, against the force of the coil spring and the inertia of the bolt and operating rods. These alone would not have sufficed to keep the breech sealed, but as the bullet fired, high-pressure gas filled the tube above the barrel and prevented the piston head from recoiling. Once the bullet had left the muzzle, the pressure in the cylinder dropped and the piston traveled backwards, forcing the remaining gas into the barrel. The bolt recoiled, then moved forward as the coil spring expanded, stripping another round from the clip and repeating the cycle.

The gas-delayed blowback system proved to give a reliable operation, particularly after it became possible to chrome-plate internal parts subject to gas-wash.

Tolgren Automatic Pistol, model 1890
Caliber: 10 x 15 mm
Weight: 1.2 kg
Range: 45 m effective, 90 maximum
Rate of Fire: 45 rounds per minute (reloaded)
Feed System: Detachable box in grip, 12 rounds
Operation: Gas-delayed blowback, semi-automatic

In 1893 a design team from the Technical Section decided that the Tolgren action could be scaled-up to produce a "machine pistol" — a portable, automatic short-range weapon suitable for police and close-quarter military use.

Machine Pistol Mk. I, model 1894
Caliber: 10 x 15 mm
Weight: 3.4 kg (with collapsible steel stock)
Range: 135 m effective, 185 maximum
Rate of Fire: 600 rounds per minute, theoretical
Feed System: Detachable box in grip, 35 rounds (75-round snail drum for special roles)
Operation: Gas-delayed blowback, selective fire

[Glen]

if we can be having weapons five years after the ISOT I guess this ones qualify as being in development.

Actually, I think that refers to five years from the ISOT date level of tech ala OTL. The Draka timeline is a little further advanced than OTL as originally conceived. You'll have to check with the moderators, but I believe your Draka are limited to tech and innovations no later than 1891 OTL.

[Matt]

bing bing

On the ball Glenn.... Tech devolpments are limited to when they were devolped OTL.

[perdedor99]

Well what I posted so far is not too far fetched. The only one is maybe the machine pistol and is not going to be ready until 1894. Just saying that weapons are on development. To be ready in 1894. If we take this thing that far. :D

[Glen]

Well what I posted so far is not too far fetched. The only one is maybe the machine pistol and is not going to be ready until 1894. Just saying that weapons are on development. To be ready in 1894. If we take this thing that far. :D

No, its not too far fetched, but we need to have rules that everyone can follow. And the machine pistol isn't the only thing you've got listed for the Draka that needs consideration, like those Dirigibles and Automobiles (though it sounds like those are more trouble than they are worth at present<g>).

I'm not saying we can't have your stuff included, but if we do we then need to refine our tech limit definitions to allow some others to take advantage of that flexibility where appropriate.

I'm okay with any tech limit we apply, just so long as it is clear what the limits are, and everyone has the chance to consider 'pushing the envelope' where appropriate.

[perdedor99]

Here is a little info about steam cars in OTL.

In Britain, from 1820 to 1840, steam-powered stagecoaches were in regular service. These were later banned from public roads and Britain's railroad system developed as a result.

Steam-driven road tractors (built by Charles Deitz) pulled passenger carriages around Paris and Bordeaux up to 1850.

In the United States, numerous steam coaches were built from 1860 to 1880. Inventors included: Harrison Dyer, Joseph Dixon, Rufus Porter, and William T. James.

Amedee Bollee Sr. built advanced steam cars from 1873 to 1883. The "La Mancelle" built in 1878, had a front-mounted engine, shaft drive to the differential, chain drive to the rear wheels, steering wheel on a vertical shaft and driver's seat behind the engine. The boiler was carried behind the passenger compartment.

the airships are small things closer to the original LZ1 zeppelin but a better engine due to more advanced steam technology.

[perdedor99]

No, its not too far fetched, but we need to have rules that everyone can follow. And the machine pistol isn't the only thing you've got listed for the Draka that needs consideration, like those Dirigibles and Automobiles (though it sounds like those are more trouble than they are worth at present<g>).

I'm not saying we can't have your stuff included, but if we do we then need to refine our tech limit definitions to allow some others to take advantage of that flexibility where appropriate.

I'm okay with any tech limit we apply, just so long as it is clear what the limits are, and everyone has the chance to consider 'pushing the envelope' where appropriate.


I agree somewhat. With better steam engines the weapons systems I mentioned could be possible. Not war winning weapons but possible. As long as a good explanation is made I think someone could have some weird weapons as long as they are not general issue. For example, I'm saying a machine pistol in 1894. But I agree that the only realistic way to have one is that is that trench warfare somewhere gave someone the idea of further developments of the semi-auto pistol being develop by the Draka and the germans[hope Mauser is not butterflied], and a young genius in America called Browning.

[Condottiero]

Name: Province of Philippines (Kingdom of Spain)
Capital: Manila
PreISOT territory: The province includes OTL Philippines
PostISOT territory: the same

History:
After the first carlist war Carlos V was exiled to the Philippines.
In 1870 when the Republic of Spain was declared he rebeled with all the garrison. Since then the Philippines had been working as an independent entity of the Republic of Spain (that did not fall in this TL), receiving an intense spanish migration.

The French and the US tried to seize the islands but the Carlist army with help from the British managed to repel both attempts.

Government
Absolutist monarchy: King Carlos VI of Bourbon
War Minister Lord Lewis Charles Ingnaz Fitzgerald, 2nd earl of Castleton
F.O. Minister Don Ramon Julio Iparralde Gorostiza

Army

2 Regulares divisions (2x12,000 men equipped with mauser rifles and 70mm guns) (Veterans Highly trained)
4 Native divisions (4x7,500 men equipped with older rifles, spears and swords)

Navy

"Tradicion" (Numancia class frigate)
"Dios", "Patria", "Rey", "San Ignacio" (Novara class frigates)
"Felipe V", "Fernando VII", "Carlos IV" (Monitor ships)
"Manila", "Cavite", "Indias" (wooden frigates of 32 guns)

[Glen]

I'm going to have the Galápagos Islands be part of The Kingdom of New Granada.

[General_Paul]

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capital
Pre-ISOT boundries
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Population
History
Armed Forces
Head of State/Government
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New History for Japan:
Name: Imperial Empire of Japan
Capital: Edo (Tokyo)
Pre-ISOT Boundries: Japan, Formosa, Korea, Manchuria
Post-ISOT Boundries: Japan, Formosa, Korea, Manchuria
Population: 40,530,000
History: The history of Imperial Japan began not with the signing of the daimyo accords in 1830, but with the landing of the Spanish, Portugese, and British naval forces on the island of Kyushu in the 16th century. The beginnings of Spanish colonialism in the eastern hemisphere, beginning with the subjugation of the philippino natives in the late 16th century, and going untill the early 18th century. Once the Spanish gained a foothold in the Philippines, they also began to take a look at Japan. Seeing its feudal state, they saw a chance to take a stance. In 1605, in the same month that the first british settlement at Roanoke's population spiked toclose to 15,000, the Spanish signed a set of accords with the still powerless Japanese emperor, known as the Edo accords. These accords allowed Spanish vessels to freely trade in japanese ports, with little or no resistance from japanese traders. By the 1650's, Japan's problem with the daimyo's had settled from a raging civil war, down to a bloodless political war being fought within the boundaries of all of the city states. By the end of the 17th century, Japan was on its way to becoming a stable nation, but this would all change with the Chinese Emperor's offensive movement into the Sea of Japan in 1702. For almost 900 years, China had not attempted to make any offensive attacks into Japan after the Kamikaze struck, and sank the invading mongol hoarde. For 15 years, China and Japan fought openly in the Sea of Japan, fighting to a stalemate. The one tie breaker on teh side of the Japanese, was the presence of the Spanish in the Philippines, and in south east Asia. More to come later... give me a few hours to think of the rest.

[General_Paul]

Japanese Histry, cont'd

With the spanish posessions in the asiatic sphere threattened by the open war being fought betweemn their ally, Imperial Japan, and the Chinese, Spain felt it necessary to step in and end this conflict themselves, before it dragged other powers into the fight. In May, 1717, the Spanish were able to broker a deal betwen the Japanese and the Chinese. These peace agreements, known as the Edo Peace Accords, brought the bloody naval battle to a close, with no decisive victory.

With the end of the Chinese/Japanese war, the Japanese turned to internal problems. For the past millenia, the Shogunate had been in power, essentially crippling Japan to make any sort of progress towards weternizing their country, and getting on the long road to industrialization. So, in August, 1720, the emperor called together the remaining Shogun of Japan, in a meeting in Edo, which has been called the beginning of Modern Japan. Within three months, the emperor drew up what has become formally known as the Edo Unification Doctorine, which placed the 50 remaining Shogun as provincional govenors, and made the Samurai the peacekeepers of Japan as well as officers in the newly formed Imperial Army. By 1725, all Shogun had relinquished power to the Emperor, and had begun the task of bringing Japan under the rule of a single man, the Emperor. From 1730 onward, the problems of Samurai dueling in the street for their Shogun had ceased, and Japan was unified under a single flag, the flag of the rising sun with sunrays streaking outward from it, a symbol of the predominantly Shinto peoples of Japan.

Between the years 1730, and 1812, Japan focused on internal matters, beginning the task of building up the farm crops, ship construction, and of course, the task of building a formidable navy for Japan. The task was long and arguous, but by 1810, Japan had a navy to rival that of Spain in the Asiatic sphere, and its Army was second to none. The only army close to the level of precision that the Japanese had attained, was the army of China, who had been at a state of constant militarization ever since the end of the Chinese/Japanese conflict some century earlier. The justification of this, was to look at Rival Japan, and colonial power Spain, and see both as a viable threat, so no moves to demilitarize were ever followed.

An other situation, was the situation with the fledgling United States of America. Former british colonies, gone independent, this was a situation that the emperor found most...intreguing. When America declared independence, Japan did not have a strong enough navy to support the Colonists, or back the british, so, the nation simply decided to let them fight it out. When the Louisiana Purchase was made in 1803, this news was plastered all over newspapers from Edo, to Kagoshima. The fledgling American Democracy had tripled in size, almost over night. America now spread from sea to sea, with no foreign powers to deal with in their sphere of influence, besides Spain, and England.

In 1812, the USA and Great Britain went to war for the second time in almost 40 years, and this time, Japan was ready. When war was declared, close to 15,000 reservists were called up in the metro Edo/Yokahama district to guard the ports of Edo, Yokahama, Osaka, and Kobe, all of which housed American, and British merchantmen. They also housed four American Sloops of war: the USS New York, Boston, Minuteman, and Newport. The british sloops of war HMS Indefatigable, India, Liverpool, Labrador, and Honor as well as the Prussian Frigate Brandenberg. This proved a dangerous mixture, for the Prussians, although neutral, were still in a defensive alliance with england. With the first shots fired in Canada, the Imperial Japanese Army, and Navy jumped in to stop any fighting. The british sloops of war were planned to be escorted to the port city of Kagoshima on Kyushu, and asked to kindly leave Japanese waters, before any hostile gestures were placed upon the war ready Japanese, to which the british told the japanese to "bugger off", that the british would "Leave only when the Yankee pirates were sunk, and their crews brought to trial in England for piracy." Japan answered with a gesture of their own.

On July 4, 1812, the Japanese navy dispatched the frigates Yokahama, Rising Sun, Kagoshima, and Kamikaze into Edo harbor to forcibly remove the British. The Sloop of War HMS Honor, fired her guns at the Kagoshima and killed four crewmembers. the Imperial Japanesew Navy reacted, along with the United states sloops New York, and Minuteman, the Kagoshima sent the HMS Honor to the bottom of Edo harbor, along with crippling the Indefatigable, and India.

The Liverpool, and Labrador sailed top speed into the Pacific Ocean, with the report of Japanese hostility. With this, the prussian frigate "Brandenberg" swiftly left port. The American navy was invited to sail with the Japanese main fleet down to Madras and show the British how things were done. At the head of the grand fleet, sat the USS New York, Boston, and Newport, leaving Minuteman in Edo, along with the Kagoshima, Yokahama, Kamikaze, and the rest of the Japanese grand fleet, comprising some 85 ships of war. The fleet left Japanese territorial waters on the 25th of July, 1812, on a heading for Madras, with a prayer by the local Shinto Priest, and the blessing of the emperor.

When the ships reached Manilla on the 14th of August, the Spanish reported that the American military had been on the defensive, but that the USS Constitution, and her sister ship, Constellation, had won naval battles of the Atlantic Coast of America, and were preparing to break the British Blockade. The american naval officers were extatic, and wanted to show the british just what the american navy could do. The ships reached Madras some Month and a half later. The british sloops Liverpool, and Labrador, along with a squadron of frigates and their escorts had taken up residence in Madras, and were not leaving any time soon. The Japanese acted quickly, drawing up the battle line. Working in tangent with the American Captains, the Japanese navy fought its first sea battle in over 100 years.

The british vessels fought with ferocity, but were driven back by superior firepower, and the determination of the American and Japanese captains. By the end of the day, the Japanese navy had lost thirteen ships of war, including the Kamikaze, and Rising Sun, vetrans of the battle of Edo Harbor. But, the Japanese navy had won a resounding victory, driving the british out of the Bay of Bengal, and giving the american crews a victory to report home to boston with. On the 10th of October, the American sloops of war left for home, bringing with them, the HMS Liverpool, and the frigate Belfast as trophy's of their victory.

Most of the fighting in the asiatic sphere was limited to the Bay of Bengal, and the Indian Ocean. By the end of the war, the american sloop New York had returned to Japanese waters, as a permanent resident of Edo harbor, serving as the first concrete link between the United States, and her new Asiatic ally. But, this was not the end of the fighting in Asia.

Within 30 years, Japan had secured the island of Formosa, and the Korean peninsula from the Chinese, and were prepared to make a full drive into Manchuria, when the Chinese peacably signed over Manchuria to the Japanese in 1850. Over the past 30 years, china had come under siege. Japan, Spain, Britain, and Prussia had all assaulted Chinese waters, pummeled her navy onto the bottom of the South China Sea, and had carved up parts of Southern China for their own.

Japan agreed of course, and by 1880, Japan had fully industrialized the home islands, along with parts of Korea, Formosa, and had just begun in Manchuria. With this, the emperor, Emperor Meiji Mutsuhito took the throne of Edo, and took up the task of ruling Japan.

[General_Paul]

Name: Imperial Empire of Japan
Capital: Edo (Tokyo)
Pre-ISOT Boundries: Japan, Formosa, Korea, Manchuria
Post-ISOT Boundries: Japan, Formosa, Korea, Manchuria
Population: 40,530,000
Armed Forces: Standing army of 350,000 men, mostly stationed in Japanese home waters. Navy consists of 20 Pre-Dreadnaughts, 30 cruisers, 75 destroyers, and 175 troop transports.
Head of State/Government: Emperor Meiji Mutsuhito
Flag:

[Condottiero]

It is a huge navy.

[Matt]

it has been revised and posted in the Chat thread.

If I hadn't covered this before Civilizers ISOT territory is now: What's left of Spain, Portigul, Azores, The leftover Coastal Brazil and Managascar.

[Othniel]

it has been revised and posted in the Chat thread.

If I hadn't covered this before Civilizers ISOT territory is now: What's left of Spain, Portigul, Azores, The leftover Coastal Brazil and Managascar.
Sounds quite spread out. He's going to have to deal with both me and a Draka....

[Matt]

It's the left over chunks of what he wanted, so I gave it to him.

[Imajin]

Why did you give him the Azores? I thought I had them?

[Matt]

Then you have them :D


Being only nearly omnipotent, I occasionally slip and forget some things.

[Glen]

Then you have them :D


Being only nearly omnipotent, I occasionally slip and forget some things.

Yep, he has them. Julien Republic, right?

It is perfectly understandable that our imperious leader, err I mean erstwhile mapkeeper<g>, would have some difficulty remembering the exact claims of everyone. That is why it is good to have us all monitoring the chat area and other threads to spot these little gaffs that all of us make. Also why it is good that we wait until we have a final map that everyone can see and agrees represents all the ISOT claims previously agreed to before we start play. That was one thing that struck me about the start of ME6, it got started before the maps had really been finalized and I think it caused unnecessary confusion early on. No fault, just one of those things. I think we can do better this time.

[Matt]

Agreed, I have the North American and European Maps ready, now onto the African map!!!

[Condottiero]

As nobody has claimed Hawaii and New Caledonia, I claim them for La Plata Republic!

[Glen]

This is a bit rough, but....

Armed Forces of the Kingdom of New Granada

Army - 35,000 men, mostly infantry armed with the New Granada equivalent of Lee-Metford Mark II rifles (with bayonets) with smokeless .303 rounds, officers and noncoms carry New Granadan equivalent of the Colt .45 1878 Double Action. Many also carry Bowie Knives. Most artillery is light to allow it to be transported, but there are heavy artillery emplacements on the Northern Florida border and around the ends of the Panama Canal. Gatling Guns are distributed two per company in general, though there is a higher ratio emplaced along the Florida border. There is a small cavalry force as well. Army has many soldiers well trained in Jungle and Mountain fighting.

Marines - 25,000 men, arms same as the army. Have in addition government issued knives equivalent to OTL K-bars. No artillery, as they depend on naval vessels for bombardment support. Note the marines are a separate branch of the military. Long tradition of making beach landings.

Navy - Approximately half the size of the ME7 British Royal Navy.

Regular navy basically have equivalent predreadnought and other ship-of-the-line vessels of OTL British Royal Navy launched from around 1875 on. Due to experience from last war, all these ships are solely powered by steam with rigging removed and have turreted guns (regardless of RN version's state). Note the New Granadan Royal Sovereign Class clones also have keel ballasts (or some such thing) installed to correct tendency to tilt in heavy weather. Traditionally, Regular Navy ships are named after animals, particularly predators and other dangerous animals.

Granadan Customs is a branch of the Navy, and has smaller, older ships. In this case, they have mostly ships older in style than the RN 1875 equivalents, and it is just half the number. Customs ships have retained their rigging, and though coal is available for them often prefer to run with sail. What Customs lack in modernity, they make up for in numbers, actually having more vessels than the Regular Navy. They also have a number of 'gunboats' for chasing smugglers up canals and rivers on the mainland. Ship names tend to be individualized based on the tastes of the captains of those vessels, and vary widely.

All naval personnel carry the Colt revolver equivalent, the same one as the Army officers.

General Notes - Note, all services wear swords when in formal dress (and they are functional, not just for show), and officers will usually wear them in the field as well. The uniforms of the New Granadans tend to be long fiber cotton, ventile-poplin with double and triple stitching, large numbers of pockets, and vented arms. They are mostly geared towards the tropical climate, but there is a winter version for service in the mountains. Army wears khaki, marines wear blue, navy wears white. Hats look like jaunty angled cowboy hats (think Aussies more here). On field uniforms, all metal has a black dull coating to prevent reflections.

[Glen]

I just noticed that the USA upped their troops to 100,000. Since I was trying to find reasonable numbers based on what others were doing, I will bump my troop levels up slightly to 40,000 in the Army and 30,000 in the Marines.

[Othniel]

Christian North Africa should have close to 4 million people.

[Matt]

I just noticed that the USA upped their troops to 100,000. Since I was trying to find reasonable numbers based on what others were doing, I will bump my troop levels up slightly to 40,000 in the Army and 30,000 in the Marines.


Damn I have been noticed!! :D

Anyways that's a huge Marine Corp for the time. For most of it's history the US Marines have had less then 10,000

[Bulgaroktonos]

Speaking of numbers, I've been very lazy with my own country. I still haven't put numbers down, primarily because I don't know how many people to put in a regiment. I think I'm just going to work on the assumption of 10,000 man division/regiments, giving me something like 75,000 in the British army, and then some other number in the Indian armies.

And I've also needed to change the king to Alexander IV, as there were Three Scottish Alexanders......

[Othniel]

Country:
(1)Dutch Southwest Comapny
(2)Pro-Dutch Natives
(3)Anti-Dutch Natives (Be it independant of influence, or for a anouther colony)
Capital:(1) None (2)-(3) Mobile
Pre-Isot Borders: Free trade Area (Everything that is trans-app.)
Post Isot: (Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Lousianna, and West Florida)
Population (1) 105,000 Dutch (2 & 3) Incalcuble
Armed Forces: (1) 3 Battalions pre every 800 miles of territory. 5 per city. 1 Pre-Napoleonic millitary ship per every 12 civillian ships.
Head of State: (1)Regional Company Representive
(2& 3) Shaman and Chieftans.
I'm going to up the number of people here to 755,000. 250,000 of those will be soldiers in a frontier type quality. This place is almost fully import, except for game, and agriculture. They don't make their own weapons for a good reason. Recommendations on weaponry?

[Othniel]

It is frontier so it would be mostly rural with soldiers in the majority anyways. :)

[Glen]

Damn I have been noticed!! :D

Anyways that's a huge Marine Corp for the time. For most of it's history the US Marines have had less then 10,000

We are a country of Islands and Coastlines. We have been fighting off attempts to take our very lucrative islands for hundreds of years. We have a fine tradition of using the Marines to take back any island taken by surprise.

Yes, it is a huge Marine Corps. It is meant to be. :D

[Glen]

Speaking of numbers, I've been very lazy with my own country. I still haven't put numbers down, primarily because I don't know how many people to put in a regiment. I think I'm just going to work on the assumption of 10,000 man division/regiments, giving me something like 75,000 in the British army, and then some other number in the Indian armies.

And I've also needed to change the king to Alexander IV, as there were Three Scottish Alexanders......

No, you don't have to change it. The head of the British Empire would use English lineage, and in that case the Alexanders don't count. Just like James the II was higher if you counted him as Scottish. The Scots might have a fond desire to refer to him as Alexander IV, but that won't be the official one given your POD.

[Glen]

I'm going to up the number of people here to 755,000. 250,000 of those will be soldiers in a frontier type quality. This place is almost fully import, except for game, and agriculture. They don't make their own weapons for a good reason. Recommendations on weaponry?

I'm sorry, how are you going to support a standing army of 250,000? That is a huge drain on resources....

[Glen]

Speaking of numbers, I've been very lazy with my own country. I still haven't put numbers down, primarily because I don't know how many people to put in a regiment. I think I'm just going to work on the assumption of 10,000 man division/regiments, giving me something like 75,000 in the British army, and then some other number in the Indian armies.

And I've also needed to change the king to Alexander IV, as there were Three Scottish Alexanders......

I think once you count in thos Indian Armies, the numbers will be substantially more. And don't forget the Ghurkas!!!

[Othniel]

I'm sorry, how are you going to support a standing army of 250,000? That is a huge drain on resources....
Resources we had. That changes with the ISOT. About 1/3rd to 1/5th of the population out west was soldiers before the turn of the century. We also 'enlist' the native population into our industries that we do base there. Plus it only takes a few people to run a farm with the proper tech.

[Matt]

Bulg I think each one of those regiment is about 1000 men.

[Bulgaroktonos]

Oh?

I think it depends on the number of Regiments consolidated under the Cardwell reforms. Like the 24th Regiment of Foot is about 2000 strong, because the South Wales Borderers was formerly two separate regiments.

I couldn't find any numbers for the British Army, so would you be amenable to me making it 1000 men per pre-Cardwell Regiment and then various regiment sizes for consolidated Regiments?

Any other suggestions?

Oh, and how badass of a nickname is "The Vein Openers" for the 29th Regiment of Foot? And "The Donkey Wallopers" for the Household Cavalry?

[Othniel]

Resources we had. That changes with the ISOT. About 1/3rd to 1/5th of the population out west was soldiers before the turn of the century. We also 'enlist' the native population into our industries that we do base there. Plus it only takes a few people to run a farm with the proper tech.
Nobody challanging that? I want to make sure before I put it up.

[Glen]

Nobody challanging that? I want to make sure before I put it up.

I'd like one of the mods to verify that is okay. Then I'm fine.

[Matt]

Oh?

I think it depends on the number of Regiments consolidated under the Cardwell reforms. Like the 24th Regiment of Foot is about 2000 strong, because the South Wales Borderers was formerly two separate regiments.

I couldn't find any numbers for the British Army, so would you be amenable to me making it 1000 men per pre-Cardwell Regiment and then various regiment sizes for consolidated Regiments?

Any other suggestions?

Oh, and how badass of a nickname is "The Vein Openers" for the 29th Regiment of Foot? And "The Donkey Wallopers" for the Household Cavalry?

The British Regimental System is terrible confusing, so you may have picked up on something that I missed, or visa-versa. What I did find was that each one of those Regiments had 2 battalions, one of which chilled out at home for training and the other was over seas. Battalion implies 500-1000, making us both possibly right.. :D

Going on the US model at the time it would be 500, but that doesn't mean squat.

[Bulgaroktonos]

The British Regimental System is terrible confusing, so you may have picked up on something that I missed, or visa-versa. What I did find was that each one of those Regiments had 2 battalions, one of which chilled out at home for training and the other was over seas. Battalion implies 500-1000, making us both possibly right.. :D

Going on the US model at the time it would be 500, but that doesn't mean squat.

Damn Brits, why couldn't they make it easy?

Alright, so I'll go with roughly 1,000 per Regiment. Consoldiated Regiments that posses a single regiment that was consolidated will consist of simply of roughly 1,000 men.

[Imajin]

No, you don't have to change it. The head of the British Empire would use English lineage, and in that case the Alexanders don't count. Just like James the II was higher if you counted him as Scottish. The Scots might have a fond desire to refer to him as Alexander IV, but that won't be the official one given your POD.
However, the United Kingdom has stated that the numbering system only seems to follow England because of namind coincidence- Elizabeth II uses II rather than I (the Scottish number) because II is the higher, not because of 'English Lineage'.

[Glen]

However, the United Kingdom has stated that the numbering system only seems to follow England because of namind coincidence- Elizabeth II uses II rather than I (the Scottish number) because II is the higher, not because of 'English Lineage'.

Is that right? Well my mistake, then. Alexander the IV lives, it would appear.

[Lauranthalas]

Damn Brits, why couldn't they make it easy?

Alright, so I'll go with roughly 1,000 per Regiment. Consoldiated Regiments that posses a single regiment that was consolidated will consist of simply of roughly 1,000 men.
Well I can give you the size of a Russian Division to that time :D we had it in school so it is pretty fresh.

[Justin Pickard]

Official Name: The Kingdom of Greece

Capital: Athens

Pre-ISOT boundaries: Greece, Crete, Cyprus, Cyrenaica, Somalia

Post-ISOT boundaries: Greece, Crete, the Ionian Islands (British Protectorate)

Population: 7,500,000 (Greater prosperity and a Crimean Tartar presence)

History: http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=14752

Armed Forces: 175,000 men (some help still required)

Head of State/Government: King Constantine I (1865- )

Flag:

[Justin Pickard]

Official Name: The British Protectorate of the Ionian Islands

Population: 5,000

History: http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=14752

Armed Forces: 3000 men, 4 battleships (some help still required)

Head of State/Government: Queen Victoria of the United Kingdom

Flag:

[Othniel]

Country: Constutional Monarchy of Mauri-Africa & Mauri-Basil
Capital:Tinga (OTL Tangiers)
Pre-ISOT: From Sierra Leon to Tunisia, Colony of Basil: south of some rivers.... Trinada, Lesser Antilles
Post-ISOT: Sengel River to Ghadamis: Brasil-same. No Caribean Colonies
Head of State:Gregory Scorpious
Population: 9 million in CNA and 4 million in Basil.
Armed forces: 500,000 in CNA; 300,000 in Basil. Various naval and army technologies are being employed including the 33 Barrel Organ machine gun. It is a muzzle-loading piece of artillery that barrages the enemy. Decoys (Cog ran puppets) are usually used to waste enemy bullets. Other techs are the Moblie Assult Barge, as such I have pictures of each in the pre chat thread.

Riverboat :
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=196631&postcount=818 & _placeholder_

Flag: http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=190904&postcount=245

[Condottiero]

Country: Constutional Monarchy of Mauri-Africa & Mauri-Basil
Capital:Tinga (OTL Tangiers)
Pre-ISOT: From Sierra Leon to Tunisia, Colony of Basil: south of some rivers.... Trinada, Lesser Antilles
Post-ISOT: Sengel River to Ghadamis: Brasil-same. No Caribean Colonies
Head of State:Gregory Scorpious
Population: 9 million in CNA and 4 million in Basil.
Armed forces: 500,000 in CNA; 300,000 in Basil. Various naval and army technologies are being employed including the 33 Barrel Organ machine gun. It is a muzzle-loading piece of artillery that barrages the enemy. Decoys (Cog ran puppets) are usually used to waste enemy bullets. Other techs are the Moblie Assult Barge, as such I have pictures of each in the pre chat thread.

Riverboat :
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=196631&postcount=818 & _placeholder_

Flag: http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=190904&postcount=245

The Army is huge for that population (in fact I think you outnumber the combination of La Plata, Peru and New Granada).

[Condottiero]

By the way, what was French population in 1886, 47 million seems to be a bit high to me (I suppose Ward meant that was the combined population of Greater France, but if he has only metropolitan France…), and 89 million for Prussia seems to be also a bit high to me (provided he's lost Oldemburg and the lands they hold).

[Galbatorix]

The Army is huge for that population (in fact I think you outnumber the combination of La Plata, Peru and New Granada).
i agree with condo. you will have to work hard on your past to justify the presence of so many troops in southamerica. altough for my Perú it is better than la Plata has so powerful neighbor, i think it is too much for the region.

[Glen]

89 million for Prussia seems to be also a bit high to me (provided he's lost Oldemburg and the lands they hold).

You're right. All of 'Germany' seems to have been between 45 and 49 million in the 1880s, and Prussia was between 27 and 29 million.

Mods take note, that population seems to be too high.

It appears that France was only reaching 39 million by 1900, so that is high as well (unless they are counting colonial possessions, in which case it might be right.

And before anyone mentions the population of New Granada, yes it is higher than the combination population of the OTL countries it comprises, but that is due to its more prosperous and open history. It just has developed a heck of a lot more in their tl.

[Othniel]

The Army is huge for that population (in fact I think you outnumber the combination of La Plata, Peru and New Granada).
It's a late colony. They are expirencing raids a whole bunch so take that as 40% millitia.

[Ward]

You're right. All of 'Germany' seems to have been between 45 and 49 million in the 1880s, and Prussia was between 27 and 29 million.

Mods take note, that population seems to be too high.

It appears that France was only reaching 39 million by 1900, so that is high as well (unless they are counting colonial possessions, in which case it might be right.

And before anyone mentions the population of New Granada, yes it is higher than the combination population of the OTL countries it comprises, but that is due to its more prosperous and open history. It just has developed a heck of a lot more in their tl.



The Web site that I found on the Franco Prussian War Gave France a pop of 36.5 million at that time . I was counting in the German lands we had taken from Prussia it should be about 38 million now .

[Condottiero]

I suppose French population is OK then. I thought it was smaller than that, I suppose the two world wars bled France.

As for the American nations, my Republic of La Plata has also more population it should have due to a bigger economic and politic success.

[Ward]

I suppose French population is OK then. I thought it was smaller than that, I suppose the two world wars bled France.

As for the American nations, my Republic of La Plata has also more population it should have due to a bigger economic and politic success.



Rember France lost about 1/6 men in WWI

[Glen]

It's a late colony. They are expirencing raids a whole bunch so take that as 40% millitia.

So, Othniel, are you specializing in large but archaically armed militaries (or should we call them militias?)? Between these large numbers in Mauri-Brasil and the Dutch Southwest, you have a lot of men under arms in the Americas.

[Othniel]

So, Othniel, are you specializing in large but archaically armed militaries (or should we call them militias?)? Between these large numbers in Mauri-Brasil and the Dutch Southwest, you have a lot of men under arms in the Americas.
Trained Civillians. The Dutch Southwest is suppose to be frontier. There were more soldiers outwest than settlers. Others would be debtors. In MauriBasil almost all of them are former soldiers. My state has fought off every jihad into Northwest Africa, so they should be huge. (That's why they have heretics as a major sect.)

[Glen]

Trained Civillians. The Dutch Southwest is suppose to be frontier. There were more soldiers outwest than settlers.

Look at the troop numbers for the USA, who still has the greater portion of the 'Wild West'. Professional troop numbers should be low, I'd guess, and if you have that supplemented by a large number of trained civilians, that should be indicated separately (or did you already do that and I missed it?).

In MauriBasil almost all of them are former soldiers. My state has fought off every jihad into Northwest Africa, so they should be huge. (That's why they have heretics as a major sect.)

Ah, so a military colony like Rome? Interesting and certainly a plausible reason for there being a large body of experienced citizenry to call up in time of need. However, this would tend to indicate that your armed forces in the area are much older (veterans rather than new recruits) and still sounds like they are only part time soldiers at this point, and not a standing army. Am I misunderstanding?

[Othniel]

Look at the troop numbers for the USA, who still has the greater portion of the 'Wild West'. Professional troop numbers should be low, I'd guess, and if you have that supplemented by a large number of trained civilians, that should be indicated separately (or did you already do that and I missed it?).
I haven't written it up yet. I believe I had a ratio of about 1 battlion per every settlement. Veterans wouldn't show up as much as MB, but they there and often are used to secure corperate intrests. There is also the corperate gaurd which are trained to protect company reps.


Ah, so a military colony like Rome? Interesting and certainly a plausible reason for there being a large body of experienced citizenry to call up in time of need. However, this would tend to indicate that your armed forces in the area are much older (veterans rather than new recruits) and still sounds like they are only part time soldiers at this point, and not a standing army. Am I misunderstanding? They are only part time. But there is a strong standing tradtion in training the younger ones. This colony has only been in effect for the last 70 years. As I said our navy is like that of Portugals at its height. Pirates are all over the place from earlier Spainish Settlement. The army is more steady than you might think, but as noted the majority of the millitias are over 40. There are five forts.

[Bulgaroktonos]

As for Germany's pop, I already told GP that it should be about 47 million tops,including his Polish lands.

[Glen]

Thanks for the info. When do you think you can get the histories up? That would really help us understand more and would be nice before the ISOT happens.

I think you've got some reasonable ideas here, just felt the need to clarify.

Hmmm, are you saying that your area will include ISOTed Spanish Pirates as well? <eg>

[Othniel]

Thanks for the info. When do you think you can get the histories up? That would really help us understand more and would be nice before the ISOT happens.

I think you've got some reasonable ideas here, just felt the need to clarify.

Hmmm, are you saying that your area will include ISOTed Spanish Pirates as well? <eg>
No they were between us, and our territories in the caribbean. (Which all troops in the caribbean are detachments. I'm sure Burg has some in the Caribbean as well. I'm have more of a cultural style rather than a historical one. Flavour over plausiblity, you understand?

[Glen]

No they were between us, and our territories in the caribbean. (Which all troops in the caribbean are detachments. I'm sure Burg has some in the Caribbean as well.

I'm sure you did in your tl<g>. Please note that the entire Caribbean is within the boundaries of the sovereign nation of the Kingdom of New Granada. If you have detachments there, they will soon be back in their home ports outside the Caribbean, or left behind if they were indigenous to the non-ISOTed sections of your nations. King of the Caribbean, Ma!

I'm have more of a cultural style rather than a historical one. Flavour over plausiblity, you understand?

I do, and I think it is great. You and Imjin and p99 are adding some real spice to the game (and several others who have created some really quirky countries but I may have accidently forgotten to include).

[Othniel]

I'm sure you did in your tl<g>. Please note that the entire Caribbean is within the boundaries of the sovereign nation of the Kingdom of New Granada. If you have detachments there, they will soon be back in their home ports outside the Caribbean, or left behind if they were indigenous to the non-ISOTed sections of your nations. King of the Caribbean, Ma!



I do, and I think it is great. You and Imjin and p99 are adding some real spice to the game (and several others who have created some really quirky countries but I may have accidently forgotten to include).
Somebody had to counter the Islamic presence in the North and the secular Drakan presence in the South. It would have been funny to see the look on your face if one or two of those Islands had been Polish colonies though. For the sake of the game my Tl had a unquie langue form in Mauri-africanus. But as is I'm going to go with that they gained Spainsh as a tounge.(Spain was not invaded by the arabs so I assume in my TL it would be more like Italian.) It will be heard as Spainsh outside of my nation, for some odd reason. I just want people to understand what they are saying as a result of the ASBs.

[Glen]

Somebody had to counter the Islamic presence in the North and the secular Drakan presence in the South.

Ah, you are a prince among men, you are<bg>.

It would have been funny to see the look on your face if one or two of those Islands had been Polish colonies though.

Oh thanks, thanks a lot! Trust me, the Granadans are going to have enough to deal with with an angry colonial army bordering Florida and Aztecs (Aztecs already!) bordering the Yucatan. Not to mention everyone who thinks that they own a piece of the Caribbean (wake up and smell the ISOT, this ain't yo timeline no mo!). No, we will have enough looks of shock to go around, believe you me.

For the sake of the game my Tl had a unquie langue form in Mauri-africanus. But as is I'm going to go with that they gained Spainsh as a tounge.(Spain was not invaded by the arabs so I assume in my TL it would be more like Italian.) It will be heard as Spainsh outside of my nation, for some odd reason. I just want people to understand what they are saying as a result of the ASBs.

Naw, go with Mauri-africanus! Just maybe make Spanish or some other language a common second language to know in your timeline, similar to French in OTL as the lingua franca of diplomacy. That way you can have your language as a spicy bit of history, but still be able to talk to people.

[Othniel]

I'm just thinking of possiblities you could allow. The Caribbean was a place were intresting colonies were set up. A suviving New Courland, or some smaller country having one or two minor islands would be intresting to see your prolific reaction.

Mauri-Africanus it is then. Ya'll hate me as I write and this they did not understand. I believe German and Latin will be used in negations.

[Glen]

I'm just thinking of possiblities you could allow. The Caribbean was a place were intresting colonies were set up. A suviving New Courland, or some smaller country having one or two minor islands would be intresting to see your prolific reaction.

Perhaps, but that isn't what I envisioned for this ME. Maybe another game that would be good. However, I've just had for quite a while now a WI question of what would happen with a nation that controlled the entire Caribbean. Now I get the chance to see it.

Mauri-Africanus it is then. Ya'll hate me as I write and this they did not understand. I believe German and Latin will be used in negations.

For game purposes, don't actually write anything other than English. Just note what language things are being said in, and when they are comprehensible and when they are not.

[Imajin]

For game purposes, don't actually write anything other than English. Just note what language things are being said in, and when they are comprehensible and when they are not.
Heh, in IE1 I tried to make up an entire language for the people I was using in the game, but then it got too complicated for me to remember...

[Glen]

Heh, in IE1 I tried to make up an entire language for the people I was using in the game, but then it got too complicated for me to remember...

Very ambitious of you. Yes, for game purposes, I think we have to have a little more crude simulation than that to be workable. Just not enough hours in the day.

[Imajin]

Very ambitious of you. Yes, for game purposes, I think we have to have a little more crude simulation than that to be workable. Just not enough hours in the day.
Indeed, I agree... Here's an example of the language:
Iuulayiss y'Rebothyaa
IUULAY - Council
ISS - Government
IUULAYISS - Government by Council, basically Republic
Y' - Of
REBOTH - Unknown, personal name
YA - Place
A - City sub-suffix
So it meant "Republic of the City of Reboth

Of course, this is all completely irrelevant to ME6.

[Glen]

Indeed, I agree... Here's an example of the language:
Iuulayiss y'Rebothyaa
IUULAY - Council
ISS - Government
IUULAYISS - Government by Council, basically Republic
Y' - Of
REBOTH - Unknown, personal name
YA - Place
A - City sub-suffix
So it meant "Republic of the City of Reboth

Of course, this is all completely irrelevant to ME6.

But useful for Proper Names.

[Othniel]

Mauri-Basils Flag:
http://www.v-brazil.com/graphics/santacatarina.jpg